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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:08 AM
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We need 8 Billion a Year to Send Every Kid in the World to Primary School
We spend 40 Billion a year on golf.

These are stats I heard last night on Nightline, (not verified) from a journalist documenting child slave labor around the world.

Discuss...
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:10 AM
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1. Wow
We spend that much in a few weeks killing people in Iraq.

I wonder what would be more effective at preventing terrorists:

A) Killing their families
B) Educating people around the world

Hmm... gonna have to ponder for awhile...
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:21 AM
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9. It's stunning
when you think about it, isn't it?
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:11 AM
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2. a month's worth of war or a years worth of schooling for the entire world?
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 11:12 AM by tk2kewl
how can I choose? :shrug:
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:13 AM
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3. How, indeed.
That is a tuffy. :shrug:
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:23 AM
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10. Those who are making the choices
need to be shook up and made to understand what WE choose.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:15 AM
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4. Some kid from Canada has this taken care of....Next!
Free the Children is an international network of children helping children at a local, national and international level through representation, leadership and action. It was founded by Craig Kielburger in 1995, when he was 12 years old. The primary goal of the organization is not only to free children from poverty and exploitation, but to also free children and young people from the idea that they are powerless to bring about positive social change and to improve the lives of their peers.

Free the Children is unlike any other children's charity in the world, as it is an organization by, of and for children that fully embodies the notion that children and young people themselves can be leaders of today in creating a more just, equitable and sustainable world.


http://www.freethechildren.com/education/education.htm

I was being flippant with my headline - they actually need help with their projects. But it is a great charity and Craig Kielburger was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for his work on child labor and education around the world.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:25 AM
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11. World leaders need to wake up
as do we all...
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:15 AM
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5. Is that just to send the kids to scool or is that to run the schools too?
Because 8 billion seems low to run a school and send the kids to it but even if it was say 40 billion it is still a paltry sum compared to how much the government spends.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:28 AM
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13. I can't tell you, I heard it in passing while
sorting toys in the living room (lol-dejunking and now determined to buy more ethically). But it hit me like a ton of bricks.

Nightline last night was a tragic reminder of what a hard life really is. Nine year old girls carrying half their body weight in gravel and mud on top of their heads for 14 hours a day.

The eyes of those children will always haunt me.

My life is paradise.
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:40 AM
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17. It was a little while ago but I heard the one figure that shocked me by
just its sheer size. It was dealing with China and they said that at least 200 million Chinese live on a dollar or less a day. The population of the US is 280 million roughly.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:43 AM
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19. Yeah, some people exist on very little
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 11:43 AM by buddyhollysghost
n/t
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:45 AM
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20. And I would bet that many of those 200 million people out of
sheer need have their kids working rather than going to school
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:53 AM
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22. Some parents sell their children
one girl was sold to a gravel quarry in India for the equivalent of $5.
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:56 AM
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25. Thailand is another country where that is very common
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 11:58 AM by lenidog
Many young women also get trapped into the sex trade in Asia because they end up getting promised jobs through a form of indentured servitude and end up actually being prostitutes with no way of escape.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:59 AM
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27. The child sex trade there is despicable
Lots of Americans and Europeans love it; I find it telling that the most vile, base human tendencies blossom when children have no rights...
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 01:02 PM
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36. Even figuring only 1 million kids....
that comes to about $8000 a year per kid.
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dhinojosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:16 AM
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6. Recommended, and Wow
We can avoid many bad situations by paying for schooling for kids around the world. But then again, all the conservative groups will always have something to say about any scientific curriculum.

Hmmm.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:31 AM
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14. To read and write means one can learn about
what is important and what has gone before. One can communicate and share thoughts and ideas.

To add and subtract figures means one can run a business, plan a budget, follow a recipe.

Simple.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:16 AM
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7. no offense...but...
we spend $13,000+ per year per student in some school districts here in the good ole USofA (Atlanta, GA City Schools, for instance)... that $8billion number just doesn't make sense. There have got to be at LEAST 300million primary school aged children in the world (I would quess that number is conservative). That comes out to like $27/per pupil...might work in some countries...but not many.

theProdigal
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:21 AM
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8. Over 100 million 5-9 year olds in China alone.
http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/ipc/idbpyrs.pl?cty=CH&out=s&ymax=250

$8 billion spent just in that country would mean $80 per kid.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:27 AM
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12. What about the increased productivity of educated people?
The myopic 'logic' of only counting the economic cost and not the economic benefits is a plague on our political system.

The WW2 GI Bill passed Congress by a single vote - yet it was, by far, the most bang-for-the-buck ever seen in any federal program. In less than 10 years, it more than doubled the size of this nation's post-secondary education system. It doubled the rate of home ownership, with all the cascade effects on construction jobs and durable goods manufacturing.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:36 AM
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16. Thank you
Education makes sense.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:26 PM
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30. please see # 29 n/t
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:25 PM
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29. I am simply saying the number in the OP doesn't work
not whether or not it is worth spending money to educate. I just would like to see a REAL number here...and how it was derived...

theProdigal
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 03:00 PM
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37. If you can get the video to run you can check it yourself
( the figures the journalist gave on Nightline). I would love to verify myself.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:35 AM
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15. Like I said, the numbers aren't verified.
This may have been the figure for children who aren't going to school presently, those forced into slave labor. I heard it in passing but the numbers boggled.

And remember, in Atlanta you are paying for nice administration buildings ( Forsyth County's is lovely. Major upgrade for them) and high administrative personnel costs.

Some Third World schools only need books and paper and art supplies, not fancy administration buildings and high dollar "professionals."

Not everyone "educates" as inefficiently as others....
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:27 PM
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31. I understand
I would just like to know how this number was generated. I think we should work very hard to improve education...and in many parts of the world money will be the answer...however, in the states, more money does not equate to better learning...so there is more to be examined.

theProdigal
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:41 AM
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18. 8 billion seems kinda low
Does that factor in that probably alot of schools would have to be built as well? Or is that just the costs of providing schooling for those who do not currently have it? According to SAUS, in America in 1999 we spent almost $300 billion on elementary and secondary education and I do not think that includes private schools.

Of course, there is no "we". Some people are spending thousands of dollars on golf and golf equipment and t-shirts that say "will play golf 4 food". If we tried to stop them and divert that money to 'foreign aid', I think we would have a war on our hands.

Some more numbers are in my essay, although some are guesstimates.

Conspicuous consumption vs. government waste

In the latest State of the Union our millionaire President said: "the American people are using their money far better than government would have". Even Kurt Vonnegut seemed to take that for granted, talking about the billions of dollars the governments waste. That seems to be an obvious point if you are looking at Haliburton contracts and such.
However, I figure that the average American received about $200 in tax cuts and as the charities always point out, that is about one can of pop per day. Which is probably how the average American spent it. So I looked up some spending habits in my dated reference books. In 1990, per capita soft drink consumption was 46.3 gallons a year. In 1996, this rose to 52.0 gallons. In armchair calculations that works out to 100 two liter bottles times 300 million Americans times one dollar per bottle. Presto - 30 billion dollars!! Good thing that money wasn't wasted on disaster relief, teacher salaries, or highways.
As a janitor, I am also painfully aware of the fact that lots of the soda purchased is never drunk - it is spilled on the floor, thrown into a leaky trash bag, or just left sitting around in a restaurant, bar or gym for some peon to dispose of. Buying a can of pop and drinking half of it does not seem like a wise use of money to me.
I just saw on TV that 70% of sexual assaults on college campuses involve alcohol, so I took note that wholesale sales of alcohol in 1997 were almost 55 billion dollars. Also, it was interesting that America imported over 2 billion dollars of alcohol, so a portion of our spending is not even creating American jobs. If that 2 billion was spent on teachers, for example, instead of French wine, it would pay for 50,000 jobs which cost $40,000 a year.
Unfortunately, we are an exporter of tobacco to the tune of 5.96 billion. Smoking has declined to 26% from 38.7% in 1985, but Americans still spent 81.3 billion on tobacco in 2000. Perhaps most Americans feel that money was better spent on cigarettes than on fire departments, or bridge repair, or modernizing schools.
In 1995, 66% of households had a credit card, and 56% carried a balance. The median balance was $1500. So, let's see, 100 million households times .66 times .56 times 1500 times .05 means that Americans spent at least $3 billion dollars on credit card interest because, unlike the government, they have to live within their means.
I wonder if that means people are going out to eat when they really can't afford it, since America spends over $200 billion on restaurants. In 1982, Americans spent $33 billion on hotels and motels. All local governments combined spent ("wasted" according to Bush) only $14 billion on police "protection". In the same year, per capita spending on restaurants was $438 and on groceries was $1037. On the other hand, governments spent ("wasted") $483 on education per capita.
I use old data because I have an old County and City Data Book. They do not have such comparisons in the most recent County and City Data Book. However, in 2000 Americans spent 604 billion on groceries, 415 billion on dining out, 53.2 billion on jewelry, 48.8 billion on shoes, 275.5 billion on clothing, and even 3.8 billion on taxis. Americans also spent 103 billion on new autos, 58.6 billion on used autos and 168.1 billion on other vehicles. Although I wonder if all the jewelry, shoes, clothing and dining out is really necessary, I am not trying to say that all of that is wasted money. The point that Democrats tried to make before the tax cuts were passed was that the tax cuts provided enough money for a new car for the very, very wealthy who in the first place probably do not need a new car and in the second place had enough money under the old tax rates to buy a new car if they did need one. As for the rest of us, for the most part we got only enough money to buy a couple pairs of moderately priced shoes. Not that we want to turn that down, but why did it have to be tied to a new Lexus for Bill Gates?
Apparently we spend too much on groceries. According to the NY Times, liposuction is up 333% in the last decade and tummy tucks are up 392%. There were 1.1 million botox injections sold for at least $300 each. So there is $300 million spent on "health" care. There were 225,818 breast implants in 2002. Breast implants cost from $4000 to $5000, so Americans spent almost a billion dollars trying to artificially acheive some twisted standard of beauty. Oh well, 300 million here and a billion there, next thing you know you are talking about real money.
Speaking of health, if Bush is so sure that Americans use their money better than the government would, then it should not bother him that 1.3 million Americans chose to purchase abortions in the year 2000. Also, I made the following table on health expenditures.

per capita spending on health men's life exp. women's life expectancy
US 4499 73 79
UK 1747 74 80
Canada 2058 75 82
Japan 2908 76 82
Germany 2422 73 80
France 2057 74 82
Australia 1698 74 81
Italy 1498 74 81

Why is it that we manage to waste more than twice as much as any other nation on health care and we do not see the results in longer lifespan? Of course, some of that health spending is for breast implants, orthodontia, and face lifts.
Bush's notion that the American people spend their money better than the federal government does is particularly galling when you look at the distribution of tax cuts and spending cuts. Despite his repeated denials, his tax cuts went primarily to the wealthy. Government spending cuts, from low income housing assistance, medical disability payments, failure to extend unemployment, drug treatment, job retraining, head start, etc. are falling primarily on the poor and lower middle class. As Matt Bivens wrote when Congress was talking about tax cuts and spending cuts:
"However, a one-page summary of a CBPP analysis shows that huge as they are, the cuts are smaller than the Republican tax giveaway to just the top 1% of the population by wealth. In other words: If Congress instead were to vote for tax cuts for the poor, the middle class, the rich and the very rich -- but not the super rich -- there would be no need to cut Medicaid, school lunches, veterans benefits and the rest."
Bush also repeats his "every American deserves a tax cut" lie. The fact is that I make less than $14,000 a year and have no children and got nothing, nada, zip, zilch, and less than diddly squat from the $350 billion dollar tax cut of 2003. And I am far from a "lucky ducky" who pays no taxes. I pay about $600 in income taxes, $1062.74 in payroll taxes, about $300 in state income taxes, $785.5 in property taxes, and probably more than $300 in sales taxes (assuming I spend $5000 a year). I pay over $3000 in taxes, more than 20% of my stupendous income. I got nothing from the last Bush tax cut, and a mere $300 from the first tax cut.
In sum the idea that giving back wads of cash to the already rich is better than the collective action of our governments is false and is in complete disagreement with our country's founding principles. Our very founding document begins by stating that we have "unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted ..." The Constitution begins: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
To our founders, the government had important and essential work to do, but to Bush it is nothing but a wasteful hindrance to profits, something to be mocked, corrupted and abused, milked for the profits of his cronies, and starved of funds so that it can be "drowned in the bathtub." For some of us, our government is not the problem - the problem is the people currently occupying its highest offices.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:47 AM
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21. Interesting figures and commentary

The program was "Stolen Childhoods" which I believe is also the title of the film documenting child labor abuse around the world. Link here:



http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/

Dialup prevents my reviewing the video to confirm what I heard but anyone who wishes can do that and I'll appreciate it.

their main message was less about charity than making an impact by not buying products made, harvested or produced with child labor
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:54 AM
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23. We have to do more than just not buy them
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 11:55 AM by lenidog
we also somehow fight to make sure that the families of these children can get better paying jobs and are supplied with the essentials of life like education, food, housing, clean water, medical care. Many of these families send their children off to work because the little money they make is desperately needed for the family to survive. Child labor is more a symptom than the actual disease.



And on that note I must leave for a job interview to further my standing in the workforce.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:56 AM
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26. Too true
It is absolute desperation that forces many parents to sell their babes into slavery.

The corporations using slave labor must be held accountable, and conditions need to improve so that parents are not forced to make these choices.

Overwhelming....
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 11:55 AM
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24. 8 billion is 40 days of the Bush's war in Iraq. (NT)
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:00 PM
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28. Think of what that war money might have accomplished?
So much positive impact could have been made. Instead, we are hated, and the bodies keep piling up.
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:29 PM
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32. Oh well, Halliburton's stock is up and
Bush and friends seem to having fun.

:sarcasm:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:32 PM
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33. $40 billion for water, food, health and education
"A 1998 report by the United Nations Development Programme estimated the annual cost to achieve universal access to a number of basic social services in all developing countries: $9 billion would provide water and sanitation for all; $12 billion would cover reproductive health for all women; $13 billion would give every person on Earth basic health and nutrition; and $6 billion would provide basic education for all. These sums are substantial, but they are still only a fraction of the tens of billions of dollars we are already spending. And these social and health expenditures pale in comparison with what is being spent on the military by all nations-some $780 billion each year."

Just a damn shame.


http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=984
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:36 PM
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34. Not Likely To Be Accurate
Edited on Thu Jun-16-05 12:36 PM by ProfessorGAC
That's less than $10 per year per kid. Huh? There's easily 800 million children that age in the world.

I think it should be $8 Trillion.
The Professor
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-16-05 12:58 PM
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35. Think of what the money spent on the Iraq war would buy...
College educations for millions...

Healthcare for all...

Housing...

Jobs...

The list keeps going.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 11:37 AM
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38. We spend that much in Iraq every few weeks. I wonder which would ...
.. reduce terrorist recruitment more: a few additional weeks of *'s glorious war or sending every child in the world to elementary school ...
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