DSM Hearing Thread 6

[Chichiri]

Starting this one a bit early for the sake of the dial-up users -- of which I was one until fairly recently, so I am sympathetic.

Incidentally, with this post, I join the DU 700 club. :toast:

[doublethink]

1. ;;;;;

:toast:

[fooj]

2. Congrats, Chichiri! And thanks for leading with these threads...

:popcorn: It's the only thing that keeps some of us informed!

peace.

[understandinglife]

3. Rather amazing to see Members of Congress STANDING in a hearing!!

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Impeachment of Bush and Cheney; indictment and prosecution of all members of the Bush regime who participated in the deception, should be campaign promises of any candidate worthy of our vote in the 2006 Congressional elections.

[realFedUp]

4. Zoe Lofgren says this is a coverup

that's why they are stuck in the basement,
pressed not to have hearings at all by those
in charge.

[MelissaB]

6. That was freaking great!

[Roland99]

18. She's reading Meelyman's quote from Meet The Press

where KennyBoy said "everyone who's seen it has discredited it."

[faithnotgreed]

28. that rocked. just simply stating the truth

[treefrogjohn]

go Zoe! That's my representative!

It feels great to be represented by a politician I can be proud of!

[Pacifist Patriot]

48. Lucky! Mine's a weasely pinhead.

[Im with Rosey]

75. She was great

I love that they are all commenting on location and why that location. Love the reference to all the votes that have been called for during this time.

[Chichiri]

5. Is it just me . . .

or are they focusing more on the war than on the DSM and the pre-war buildup and deceit?

[dgocracker]

11. What does it look like in there

I am listening on the radio.

[Stephanie]

37. Here you go >

And welcome to DU, dgocracker!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3874903

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. no they are focusing on the road to war and

the consequence, they are focusing on all of this

[Pacifist Patriot]

17. All I've been hearing is pre-war buildup and deceit.

[leftyclimber]

19. I think they've gone between

the original coverup and deceit and the results thereof. JMHO, though.

[understandinglife]

They've covered the entire spectrum, more extensively, than at ...

.... anytime since Bush and the neoconsters started their illegal war on Iraq, imho.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[jojo54]

22. I think they're trying to show the leadin to the cover up

[jojo54]

7. Lofgrin D CA

just said they were stuck in the basement because the ones in power are involved in a cover up.

ALLRIGHT!

oops...dupe sorry

[longship]

8. Coverup!!!

Go, Zoe, go!!!

[yankeedem]

9. Zoe just said the "I" word

"Impeachment"!

[redacted]

10. GO ZOE!

[Pacifist Patriot]

12. My 8 year old son just walked in the room asking if there was anything

to do. <Typical summer boredom> I told him he was welcome to sit down with me and watch the Bush administration begin to go down in flames.

Bad mommy, bad mommy!

[BlueEyedSon]

20. might take more than one afternoon.....

:)

[Pacifist Patriot]

29. Hey, I said "begin"

LOL!

[BlueEyedSon]

32. Sorry, reading quickly to keep up!

[Pacifist Patriot]

42. This multi-tasking is wearing on me too. Cheers!

[knowbody0]

13. high crimes and misdemeanors

impeachment impeachment impeachment. congress involved in a cover up
music to my ears

[dogday]

15. Democrats in Congress should of charged the room on the hill

and broke the lock on the door and demanded to use the room that the taxpayers paid for... Wonder if the Republicans would of had them arrested?

[Pacifist Patriot]

24. Might be a good way to get press.

Oh wait, guess not.

[LSparkle]

38. Are they going to all walk up to the WH with the signed letter?

I heard that was planned -- that'd be some great photo-op.

[Pacifist Patriot]

44. I had heard that would be at 5:00, the hearing is running late.

[longship]

16. She called it a Partisan Coverup.

God, I love this woman.

[kaitykaity]

21. Slammig Mehlman for saying that the DSM

had "been discredited."

Good on Rep. Lofgren!!!

[BigBearJohn]

23. ZOE ACCUSES CONGRESS OF A COVER-UP!! HOORAY

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. what else were they lying about?

the DMS was what else they were lying about

[ProudDad]

26. Lofgren back on topic

Repuke NC chairman states, "Memo discredited by everyone who've looked at it".

McGovern, "Memo details, 'What else are they lying about'"

[leftchick]

45. The "L" Word!

How many times has the word LIE been used today? I can't watch. Someone Please tell me!

[krkaufman]

Actually, I don't think Mehlmen said "memo"

I think he deftly used the term "report", leaving him some wiggle room.

Of course, none of the memo -- or *reports* therein! -- have been discredited; it is simply true that no one actively in the Administration has admitted to anything.

The DSM is the closest we've come so far to evidence (testimony) of: distortion of intelligence, political motivations behind war ramp-up (start timeline "30 days before US Congressional elections"), illegal bombings of Iraq in Fall 2002 (to goad Saddam into attacking our forces).

[krkaufman]

73. Verified. Mehlman never uttered the word "memo"

Transcript here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8062380/

[MadisonProgressive]

166. Doesn't it help to have some 'credit' in order to 'discredit'?

[eleny]

27. Lofgren says the "C" word -- Coverup

In reference to Mehlman's appearance on MTP about the DSM being discredited.

[Chichiri]

30. Must leave for now, someone else start the threads

Thanks :)

[faithnotgreed]

33. thanks chichiri

[Roland99]

31. "This is like 'shape of the earth is in dispute'"...McGovern

referring to Tim Russert not confronting Meelyman on Meet The Press

[Pacifist Patriot]

34. "The People!" Thank you Zoe

[Pacifist Patriot]

40. Here goes the parallel with Watergate. Thank you Bonifaz.

"DSM requires that Congress pursue whether..."

[leftyclimber]

35. "The people of the United States own the Congress."

YES!!!!!!!

[jojo54]

36. Starting to storm here in south Jersey

gotta turn off PC.


Darn it, I love it on DU.

Will be on later to read up.

[marions ghost]

39. Bonifaz speaking

DSM equivalent to discovery of a taping system in Nixon White House

[faithnotgreed]

47. "and imagine congress said they did not want the tapes and you can keep

them we arent interested"

he says we have to "take this wherever it may lead including if the president committed a high crime"

[Roland99]

41. Bonifaz comparing the DSM to the Nixon tapes

"The Congress must ask for them"

[dgocracker]

43. Rally

still on for 5:00. I want to listen but I want to go to the rally

[CottonBear]

49. dupe. deleted.

[CottonBear]

50. Go to the rally and report back to us later!

The Freepers are planning a counter-protest. I hope that they've ordered plenty of porta-potties!
:evilgrin:

[dgocracker]

52. On the FR site

they were saying noone is there yet. Are they waiting for the hearings to end?

[Roland99]

56. Will Pitt is there and a CNN camera has been setup front and center

[CottonBear]

59. I'm sure that everyone is waiting for the hearings to end.

I imagine that there will be quite a large crowd there since the rally will be after 5:00 and most folks will be off work at that hour. The Freepers are complaining about the heat and the fact that they have made plans already and so cannot attend. LOL!

[FreedomAngel82]

92. Aren't other people

at the DNC headquarters since the room is small? So they could possibly head over there after the hearing.

[realFedUp]

46. Would love to get Greg Palast's timeline in these hearing minutes

http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=437&row=1

[BlueEyedSon]

54. I believe he submitted a written statement to JC

[realFedUp]

80. oh good. nt

[marions ghost]

51. Rep Hilda Solis D CA

what about the "green card soldiers" --we need answers about them

"we have not been told the truth about where, when, how our children died. Can't get a meeting with DOD or Rumsfeld about this. This is an abomination."

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. Of course it is

bear in mind if they died in combat (KIA) we owe them more than if they did die in an accident.. these poxes will save soem money that way...

[LightningFlash]

55. Someone in charge of Foreign affairs....

I'm amazed he's testifying about how Bush personally ordered him too.....By any means neccesary start dictating the policies for Iraq. He told the president that this was not justified, as the evidence didn't warrant it. That didn't matter.

:wow:

[longship]

57. EarthQuake!!!! SoCal

My office just shook like crazy.

[Roland99]

58. There's nothing on usgs.gov

Just a 2.0 at Newport Beach.

[longship]

61. No! Had to be bigger than 2.0--I'm in Ontario. n/t

.

[Roland99]

63. It just showed up on usgs.gov

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsUS/Quakes/ci14155260.htm

5.3

5 km (3 miles) NE (51°) from Yucaipa, CA

[longship]

64. 5.3 in Yucaipa (in the mts to the east)

Gees. That was scary. Two BIG shakes.

[CottonBear]

69. Did anything fall off of the walls or shelves?

That is scary. :scared:
I just have to contend with the possibility of tornados here in GA.

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. Nope but my three parrots were going absolutely NUTS

an hour ago.. they woudl not shut up even when given time out....

They were scared...

[CottonBear]

78. They must have known the quake was coming!

I hope that they settle down. Poor parrots.

[nadinbrzezinski]

83. They will

two of them are vets of many a quake including northridge, and good troopers, so this one was bad.. insofar as they are concerned, our sun, this is only her third quake... she looks scared.

[HeeBGBz]

81. Yikes! Stay safe, all

Not on IRIS yet.

[Im with Rosey]

94. My 2 cats also crazy

I'm in So. Orange Co., didn't feel like 5.3

[Rainscents]

62. Keep safe! Where CA are you?

[longship]

66. Ontario, Calif.

about 40 miles away.

[redacted]

65. Just got IM report that City of Orange got a hard jolt but little damage

[Carla in Ca]

162. That is where I am

My front door is tweaked. I guess that was the 'crack' sound I heard. That's it, very minor repair.

[Nothing Without Hope]

95. This map says So Cal earthquake was about mag 5:

From here: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqsUS/Maps/US10/27.37.-120.-110.html
Big reg square - color means in the last hour, size is magnitude

[Roland99]

60. Would have been GREAT if someone like Gen. Zinni or Jay Garner

had been involved today.

[Tesla]

67. Thank God for C- Span!!

FIXED!!
FIXED!!
Such a beautiful word!!

[jean]

163. There was no more room at the witness table - take a look - - -

(L to R) Ambassador Joseph Wilson, Cindy Sheehan, founder of Gold Star Families for American Peace, Ray McGovern, a former CIA agent and John Bonifaz, co-founder, After Downing Street.org are sworn in before the start of an unofficial forum on the Downing Street Minutes on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC June 16, 2005. The document, created in 2002 for British Prime Minister Tony Blair said that United States President George W. Bush was intent on invading Iraq and that intelligence was being manipulated to support Bushs interests. REUTERS/Chris Kleponis

This pic is from Stephanie's thread here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3874903

Seriously, I don't think they could have fit another table in that cramped room. The witnesses would have had to take turns at the table.

[chalky]

68. Unprecedented retirement of Generals & Jag Officers! Troubled by

number of contractors in Iraq!

Look at how the personnel was deployed.
Will be very telling....

[faithnotgreed]

70. marcy kaptur (oh) says in her 20 yrs has not seen so many resignations

in upper military and jag officers

she is very concerned about the military and its integrity

says there are 20000 contractors and lots of money goes for security

eta: rep from ohio not california

[Roland99]

72. How many were FORCED resignations?

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. The Joints Chiefs Chairman did

by the way, the airing of the reagan white house dirty laundry has BEGUN

[faithnotgreed]

77. you got that right. but she says surprise that jag officers resign when

they didnt need to

[Pacifist Patriot]

82. I appreciated her bringing up the arming of Hussein by

previous administrations with no records available to Congress.

[faithnotgreed]

84. she asks john bonifaz (afterdowningstreet) to get together pre deployment

timeline

the book "spiders web" is mentioned by hinchey (?) in this conversation of timeline i think

eta: this is asked for because she is troubled that the administration will not provide this information so she is asking someone to get this together

[realFedUp]

71. ok, back to bidness.....

from a little SoCal earthquake.

[Royaras]

85. Hmmm....

Amazingly, the 5.3 earthquake in So Cal is "Breaking News" on CNN right now, but Wolf has not a peep about this meeting.

I grew up in So Cal. 5.3 is nothing, like a little roller coaster. I doubt there's any damage, much less injuries.

[nadinbrzezinski]

89. Hey at least we cannot blame this one on their jackson distraction

diet, mother nature just reminding us we live on a tectonic plate

[marions ghost]

79. Marcy Kaptur D OH

she says "for this hearing, we are missing important votes on other issues..."interesting" timing" ------------

re. DSM -- I have never seen so many retirements of top military, national guard. I am troubled by what's happening to our forces and I'm deeply troubled about 25,000 contractors on the ground "security"--we do not know what they are there for.

Backdrop to what is happening now:
LOOK AT deployment figures for last 5 years--airfields built prior to the invasion, etc. Urges people to research this themselves.

During 1980's arming of Hussein (Reagan and Bush admin) -- no records of sales right to end of 1980's. Chemical sales. That record has never been established.

[indy_azcat]

86. want's info on deployment of 'civil'? troops (engineer corps)

prior to invasion. Good evidence of pre-meditaion.

[Roland99]

117. So much to cover. Each Rep. should be tasked with researching

one aspect.

[realFedUp]

87. "The Spider's Web" book recommended.

[faithnotgreed]

103. yes. in discussion about war/pre deployment timeline this book

was brought up

[realFedUp]

134. I hope Bonifaz stays out of small planes .....nt

[DoYouEverWonder]

88. Sounded like Maxine Waters

said call for Rummie's resignation!

[Im with Rosey]

99. I love Maxine Waters

It was her voice we heard say Rummies resignation

[Rainscents]

90. My congressman Jay is coming up!!! He is last one to speak!!!

[Pacifist Patriot]

91. Schakowsky getting backside digs into the media.

She extended a thank you to the media for attending. Who is there besides C-SPAN?

[kaitykaity]

93. Shakowski (sp) hammering the media for ignoring this story.

All Right!!!!!

[SalmonChantedEvening]

96. And while the worthless MSM discusses the earthquakes in CA...

They fail the country again by not reporting the REAL earthquake happening in DC.

:grr:

[Pacifist Patriot]

98. *sigh* Indeed

[SalmonChantedEvening]

100. PS

NOT bad bad mommy ;)

[nadinbrzezinski]

102. Oh com'on we are all running to the streets

and screaming in horror as the city disapears under our feet! (Oh wait this was the 1970s Earthquake movie)

You expected then NOT to jump as mother nature's gift?

[SalmonChantedEvening]

114. They'd run from these hearings

To cover a water balloon fight in Palmyra NJ....

Worthless shills.

[kaitykaity]

97. McGovern -- "Forget circumstantial. This is documentary."

"This is what lawyers lust after."

:wow:

[marions ghost]

101. Bonifaz

this IS a smoking gun--in that it is the impetus to begin an investigation

[nadinbrzezinski]

104. the ammo are the bombing runs in 2002

[eleny]

105. Insle - "They've hit the matresses"

A Bush Crime Family reference!

[Rainscents]

106. I met Jay last year when he was campaigning... great guy!!!

[chalky]

107. "He has time...we had the White House picnic yesterday..."

n/t

[Pacifist Patriot]

108. Inslee's comments to the mom are bringing me to tears.

[marions ghost]

109. Rep Jay Inslee D WA

"WE ARE NOT going away!... This may take time."

[redacted]

110. Jay Inslee: "We are NOT going away"

[faithnotgreed]

113. yes. that was fantastic to hear

[BigBearJohn]

111. Jay Insley made an incredible reference about * abuse of power

We fought off an abuse of power in 1776
and now someone from Britain (maybe as an act of penance)
has provided us with the means of fighting off THIS abuse of power

[BigBearJohn]

112. THIS should be OUR battlecry!

[blm]

116. NO KING GEORGE!!!!! YEAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

.

[ohio_liberal]

115. How many House members have shown up?

Is anyone keeping a tally?

[teach1st]

118. I don't know if it's been said already...

...but in the movie about this historic meeting, the part of Ray McGovern should be played by George Carlin.

[Pacifist Patriot]

128. LOL! I've been sitting here marveling over the resemblance.

[realFedUp]

119. ooo ooo. this gal from the audience...long government worker

get her testimony on paper.

5:20 pm EST

[librechik]

121. she was great!

called for impeachment of all senior responsible officials--30 years of govt service in the military and state "This is what we must do"

[faithnotgreed]

135. "other than that everythings great!" she said

after she called on the impeachment of all senior officials of dod, state dept, bush cheney

[helderheid]

124. she was EXCELLENT

[Im with Rosey]

159. I thought it was great

that she referenced her discussion with counterpart? in England. It is nice to know that there are people that will resign rather than be part of this.

[bpilgrim]

120. IMPEACH THE WAR CRIMINALS

:nuke:

peace

[bpilgrim]

156. ---------- -------- ------- -------- -------- > MP3

http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/DSM/end-of-DSM-hearing.mp3


just the last 30 min or so but it was INCREDIBLE :bounce: :cry:

thank you EVERYONE for pass'n the WORD :toast:

peace

[Pacifist Patriot]

122. "We could use a little subpoena power." Amen Conyers, Amen!

[LightningFlash]

Wow she testified...

And said she had to resign, because Tony Blair's cabinet refused to see how regime change was illegal. Even though the statute mandated it.

:wow:

[DoYouEverWonder]

123. Conyers - We could use a little supeona power around here

Going to be more hearings.

[chalky]

125. Conyers: "There are going to be a number of 'next hearings'...

And we could use a little subpoena power here, too."

[democrat_patriot]

133. Will they get it?

That's the question. We couldn't even get the minutes from Cheney's energy meetings.

If not are we dead in the water?

Nope. We keep emailing, faxing and calling. We don't need the COM (Corporate Owned Media). These hearings are proof of that.

[Nite Owl]

126. Who was the lady

just talking, in the blue shirt? I got a call and missed part of it.

[Pacifist Patriot]

131. A long time government employee.

C-SPAN had no clue who she was so they didn't caption her.

[Nite Owl]

138. Thanks n/t

[indy_azcat]

127. Tierney last Congressman - mentions the Conyers petitions

n/t

[ekelly]

129. rally?

When is the rally? Will c-span3 be covering it?

[indy_azcat]

132. should be immediately following hearings

not sure of CSPAN, but CNN is out there according to Will PItt
http://blog.pdamerica.org/

[redacted]

130. "DOD not up to full capacity" then we lost WM video; what just happened?

[redacted]

136. "Congressmen must face the possibility they were DUPED" --Bonifaz

[democrat_patriot]

147. Correct way to phrase it. IMO

Congressman, senators afraid to be 'hurt' by thin info. Now they can claim it was ALL * and his cronies lying to them.

BYE *.

[Im with Rosey]

161. Can't remember who said it earlier

I LOVED the comment that bu$h was either a fool or a knave, there have been several short but certainly sweet one liners that have come out of this. Suitable for bumber stickers?

[realFedUp]

137. heartfelt thanks from John Conyers

yyyeeeaaahhhhhhhhhhh, from us also to you.

[chalky]

139. God, that room looks to be about the size of my bedroom.

n/t

[Pacifist Patriot]

140. It's a broom closet.

[redacted]

141. Reg Keys representing UK families speaking now. . .

[faithnotgreed]

142. british father who lost his son in war thanks everyone for these hearings

on behalf of those in britain who have been killed in the war

[nadinbrzezinski]

143. ok folks I cannot lock but I can start a new threaf

[Chichiri]

144. DSM Hearing Thread 7 is up now

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3875827

[Pacifist Patriot]

145. 560K on the petition!

[unhappycamper]

146. PLEASE SWITCH TO THREAD 7. THANKS.

[faithnotgreed]

148. "this is only the beginning" says john conyers. mtg adjourned 5:31pm

[Just Me]

149. Here come the tears, again,...relatives of fallen soldiers,....

,...speaking on their behalf :cry:

[nittygritty]

150. Conyers just said 122 congresspersons have signed

the congressional version of the letter to *!!!

[chalky]

151. Conyers: "I ask that this meeting be adjourned by UNANIMOUS CONSENT."

Smart ass. ;-)

[MelissaB]

154. Wonder who he was talking about...

:rofl:

[fla nocount]

152. It's over. Conyers takes off will his 560,000 + signatures

[Nothing Without Hope]

153. Conyers - "unlike SOME chairmen, I ask that this meeting be adjourned by

unanimous consent." Take THAT SensenToad!

[blitzburgh55]

155. You know

After watching these hearings, reading about PNAC, seeing how desperately BushCo tried to tie Iraq to Al Qaeda, the fear mongering that Iraq was a huge threat to the US, etc.

Now throw in some of the strange/unanswered circumstances surrounding 9/11. My suspicions about 9/11 have really grown. I mean, could it be or am I wearing too much tin foil?

[CantGetFooledAgain]

157. If you haven't already, read one or both of David Ray Griffin's...

...books on 9/11. Also check out 911truth.org or one of many other excellent web sites.

Would you put it past them? I wouldn't.

[Nothing Without Hope]

160. The complete text of his first book is available online. Link at same

site I gave the other poster just now. His lecture is rivetting - about 1 hour 20 min.

[Nothing Without Hope]

158. I suggest you watch or listen to the lecture on this by David Ray Griffin.

You can do it for free, online. There are both video and audio available. See this thread for the links:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x39690
Thread title: "David Ray Griffin evidence Bush admin complicit in 9/11 - update & links"

After you hear this, you won't worry about the tin foil.

[blitzburgh55]

164. Thanks

I'll check it out. :toast:

[Nothing Without Hope]

165. I recommend you not do it just before bedtime or when you will have

to concentrate on something afterwards. You will be too angry and upset.

But everyone needs to hear it.