Say what you will about old Gephardt. That Bush is a miserable failure...

[NNN0LHI]

...comment was a winner. I have heard that replayed 100's of time on cable. Those few words will stick in the back of peoples minds and roll around in there for a while. He sure didn't do Junior no favors with that comment. And I think what he said has something to do with Juniors falling poll numbers. Wonder who thought of that comment? That person deserves whatever they are being paid.

Don

[Brucey]

1. The best thing about the phrase "miserable failure"

is that is subconsciously reminds one of the more appropriate description of chimpy, the one with the same initials: m---- f-----.

[dwckabal]

2. I agree

That should become the mantra of anyone who wants to get rid of Bush.

"the war in Iraq is a miserable failure"
"economic policy is a miserable failure"

etc. etc.

[tabasco]

3. Keep telling the truth, Gephardt!

Worst president ever. Miserable failure is an understatement. Murderer is a word that comes to my mind.

[THUNDER HANDS]

4. if anyone but he said it

I'd care. But Gephardt (and to a lesser extent Lieberman) basically pulled the rug out from under the other Democrats right before the war resolution.

His photo op in the Rose Garden is something I'm not going to forget anytime soon.

Gephardt is a phoney. And no amount of red meat he tosses at us is going to change that.

[quispquake]

6. Hear hear...

Gephardt GAVE that war to Bush...I can't forgive him for that either, and enjoyed him looking very uncomfortable when that came up at the last debate...
MattG

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

8. Let's ignore 20 years of leadership on the economy by Gephardt

Let's just trash him for this vote, along with Kerry, Edwards, and Lieberman, and Graham. Clark is also a war criminal, Kucinich Moseley-Braun, and Sharpton are from another planet, and of course Dean can't win.

Let's just get rid of the whole team and start over!

[NNN0LHI]

7. You know? I didn't like the Rose Garden incident myself

Spent a nickel and called Gephatdts offices in DC and MO. to suggest that he resign his leadership position in the House. He did. Now can we forget the negative stuff for a while? What do you think?

I didn't start this thread for people to begin teeing off on this guy. Know what I mean? Jesus. I sure am glad I don't have people holding grudges for something I did over a year ago. Maybe I do and just don't know it?

Take him at his word for a change. Maybe he voted for the Iraq resolution because he really did think it was the best thing for our country at the time? It is possible.

Don

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

9. Got another couple of nickels, Don?

I've got some calls I want you to make!

[THUNDER HANDS]

10. is it possible?

Um.

No.

Because this was right before an election. It was a political calculation, same for Kerry.

The only difference being, Kerry had his own resolution he wanted to pass which was a lot more difficult for Bush. But Lieberman and Gephardt sandbagged him.

It's one thing to support the war. It's another thing to outright campaign FOR it and stand shoulder to shoulder with the worst president in the modern era.

Gephardt should be embarassed.

But he's obviously not.

Now he wants to call Bush a "miserable failure" - but what does that make him - the guy who wholeheartedly supported a miserable failure?

To me, that's worse.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

11. Alas... were your forgiveness transferrable to the Kerry haters here

speaking of grudges. :eyes: That damned "war" vote!

[NNN0LHI]

13. Think you can edit that baby up a little bit...

...so I can understand what you are trying to say? I am really not sure. I write stuff all the time that I can't understand afterwards too, so I am not knocking you or nothing. Just can't understand it. Thanks in advance.

Don

[quispquake]

12. Question...

I've been trying not to get involved with the 'warring' going on with different candidates...but if something did bother me about a candidate, shouldn't I be able to say something about it? I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything, but I think criticism of the Rose Garden incident is valid, and does influence my looking at Gephardt as a candidate.

I would hate to think my one place where I feel I can express my thoughts is falling apart...

I like ALL the candidates better than Bush, but some I like more than others...I really don't want to start, or become involved in a flame war, but as Al Franken mentioned...Republicans love America like a child, CAN DO NOT WRONG, but Dems are like adults, we love America, but want to work on it's warts...

[NNN0LHI]

14. I ain't trying to stifle someones 1st Amendment rights

But Holy Jesus. Can't we make it through even one thread anymore on GD without someone getting negative? If the Rose Garden incident is still eating at you a year later so much start a thread about it. I am sure you will get plenty of comments to it from those who agree with you. There have been hundreds before on the same subject, so one more wouldn't hurt nothing. My point is that I would like to know I can post threads about any Democratic candidate without someone throwing their two cents in how much they hate the guy or gal. Is that too much to ask for?

Don

[NNN0LHI]

16. Almost forgot

I see a lot of threads where I could throw mud at the person that the thread is about. But I know the person that started the thread did so because they liked the guy they were posting about, and I did not comment to that thread. I always believed that the respectful thing to do in that situation was that if I didn't have something good to say about that person, I would not say anything. Maybe thats just me?

Don

[quispquake]

17. That's cool...

...and I understand...this is actually the first time I've responded to a post within a post that slags...I didn't look at it as a slag, but I can see why it was taken that way...

I respect all opinions of EVERYBODY here at DU...

[Cocoa]

19. what is the significance of the Rose Garden appearance?

that episode is brought up without fail every time Gephardt's name is mentioned, but I haven't yet seen an explanation of what it meant.

[ibegurpard]

20. Definitely agree...It rang pretty hollow coming from him

:(

[Pavlovs DiOgie]

5. Great comment

Too bad saying it over and over during that debate made him look like the class clown who finally figured out how to get a little bit of attention. By the 3rd time it was tired, and by the next debate it was just silly. He hasn't figured out it's the message of bush sucking as pres that was great, not necessarily those 2 words. He needs to keep driving the message home, showing people just how bush is a failure.

But instead, he launches a website to spread the word about Dean being the bad guy. Hey, who's side is he on, anyway?

[kentuck]

15. About the comment, "miserable failure"...

I think it had a profound impact upon the psyche of voters. In their hearts and minds, they knew it was true. And it has contributed to the fall in the polls for Bush, in my opinion.

[Butterflies]

18. I agree!

I didn't expect anything of Gephardt, but when he said that during that debate I cheered. Everyone in my house who heard it laughed. It was a nice moment. :)