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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:51 PM
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Shut up about Gitmo; it isn't as bad as the Holocaust.
= the moral reasoning skills of a 6-yr-old. Limbaugh and his buddies.

Look up Lawrence Kholberg's scale describing moral+cognitive skills, or what "moral" decisions look like at various stages of maturation.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:53 PM
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1. And Mark Luther, Al Franken's resident Dittohead
repeated it just today while Franken was trying to say that Rush and his ilk approved of torture.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:57 PM
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8. I guess they've never seen the photo's
and apparently they're going to have some video's.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:53 PM
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2. Which historical atrocity IS Gitmo comparable to, just so we're all on
the same page....?
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CarefullyLiberal Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:01 PM
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12. The Gitmo atrocities are at least equal to...
at least equal to Stalag 17.

At ease, AT EASE!

Stalag 17
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:11 PM
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16. So the Hitler/Nazi analogy would still be applicable....?
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CarefullyLiberal Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:25 PM
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20. Close but...
I wouldn't say Hitler/Nazi, more like Sargent Shultz/Nazi.

Best,

-Fergus
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:26 PM
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21. The Japanese Internment Camps during WWII. They were
enemy combatants. No rights, property lost, charges of brutality.

How about the chain gangs of the 40's through the 60's?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:53 PM
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3. He is right, GITMO is not as bad as the holocaust
just as bad as what preceded the Final Solution and the Wansee Conference, can we all say Bergen Belsen? His toleration of this makes Rush a Nazi... but we all knew this
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:54 PM
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4. It reminds me of "Abu Ghraib = frat boy behavior"
First, no it doesn't.

Second, as if frat boy behavior is ANYWHERE near where we want the standards for our troops and treatment of prisoners to be.

Idiots.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:54 PM
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5. Shut up about Gitmo;
They get lemon chicken and two choices of fruit between torture sessions.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:54 PM
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6. DOH (whacks forehead)
:rofl:
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:55 PM
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7. There's a banner Bush should hang...
..."Support President Bush - several gulags, torture and illegal wars later, he's STILL not as bad as Hitler...but he's working on it."
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:33 PM
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23. That would be a great bumper sticker. "Bush: Not as Bad as Hitler Yet"
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:57 PM
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9. No it isn't as bad. It's still a violation of the Geneva conventions
What if we use the reasoning the other way around:

"And Saddam was not as bad as Hitler."

He is going to be pretty mad if you said that in his face.
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:58 PM
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Go ahead and tell me to shut up again
Edited on Fri Jun-17-05 02:00 PM by Don Claybrook
Rush et al: Go right the fuck ahead and tell me to Watch What I Say About Guantanemo.

(edited to clarify I'm addressing RW radio-types).
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 01:58 PM
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10. more like Imperial Japan... they even used the term ILLEGAL combatants
didn't go over well.

their foreign policy in Asia is very similar to our current ME policy... google GEACPS

fallujah = our nanking


http://images.globalfreepress.com

peace
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:00 PM
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11. Morality is not a matter of Quantity.
Each act must stand for it's own moral equivalent - good and bad - one acttion is not morally changed by another different action. One innocent dead was where we crossed the line, or at least should be where we crossed the line if Pro Life meant anything.

Pro-Life is Dead.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:03 PM
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13. Can't we give him a few more years to mature into the Himmler of
our nation? Remember he needs a lot of planes to 'rendition' his prisoners to Armenia, Turkmenistan, Kyrgystan and Kazakstan.Those facilities need upgrading with the latest and greatest torture techniques, and as Bush graduates, for "disappearing" the prisoners.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:04 PM
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14. Murdering a child isn't as bad as what Bush did to Iraq, either
But that doesn't mean we excuse the murderer. Either of them.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:07 PM
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15. Nice to see our standards have fallen from world leader to...
...to "just a little better than the Holocaust"
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:18 PM
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17. In hindsight
Edited on Fri Jun-17-05 02:18 PM by longship
Dick Durbin's words have backfired a bit on him. The reichwing is certainly trying to make a lot of hay out of it. Of course, given the extreme rhetoric of the neocons, their river of hypocrisy is deep and wide. Durbin might not have anticipated the reaction.

The only thing we can do as a group is to give him our unqualified support. I sent Durbin a very positive correspondence yesterday. We should all do that.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:22 PM
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18. Auschwitz was set in a beautiful vacation spot
surrounded by gentle rolling Polish countryside near the Vistula River. When Jeff Sessions calls Guantanamo a tropical paradise, I guess on the outside, anyway, both Auschwitz and Guantanamo are very wonderful places.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:25 PM
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19. Yeah, give Bush a chance to off 6 million people
Edited on Fri Jun-17-05 02:26 PM by gratuitous
THEN you can complain, but not until.

Fookin' brilliant.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:31 PM
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22. Not yet. Even The Holocaust wasn't as bad as The Holcaust... at first n/t
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 02:50 PM
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24. When I heard that, I thought, do we have to kill
Edited on Fri Jun-17-05 02:51 PM by Cleita
six million Arabs to prove BushCo is as bad as the Nazi's? Don't these morans know that we are trying to stop that from happening by pointing out that torture and killing is never right even if there is only one victim?

Once a government sanctions this, it can be called what it is fascist and similar to Nazi Germany. Six million people could have been saved if the Germans and the free world had recognized the signs and stopped it in the beginning, and most historians agree that it could have been stopped.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 03:43 PM
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25. And none of this even mentions those who
are crushed and maimed in spirit before it gets anywhere near actual killing. People maimed and condemned in service to Free Market Theology.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 03:45 PM
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26. Anything less than the Holocaust is to be ignored...
Because that is the standard that they must meet?
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-17-05 04:22 PM
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27. That's how it is possible to be so inhuman and heartless toward innocent
others, "It's not 6 million murders.", besides "The poor you will always have with you" - And if there weren't any such thing as "the Poor", they'd have to be invented, so some of us can be "noble" and "kind".
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