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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:34 AM
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What happened to the big mid September WMD announcement...
..the neocons and their media minions were crowing about last month?
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AWD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:34 AM
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1. Shhh
Don't talk about that, you unAmerican Commie bastard!

Why do you hate America?

</sarcasm>
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:34 AM
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:35 AM
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3. According to reports it has been
SHELVED!



It's in LBN.
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:35 AM
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4. maybe saving it?
Would be a nice ace to pull out at the end of election
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:42 AM
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5. No WMDs......no report needed
Nothing to see here......move along.

Business as usual for the BFEE.

:kick:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:43 AM
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6. it is to follow within days/week of bush* UN destruction speech...fear not
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jburton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:46 AM
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7. It had nada
The Kay report found - surprise! - no WMD's. So it got shelved.

I heard about it on BBC. Not a peep in US media.
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:46 AM
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8. I don't think they can pull it off anymore ...
This administration, had plans to discover WMD, because it is the reason for going to war (or at least it was).

This administration figured that we would find something (anything). If need be, the big one would be planted (I don't think that thought they would find NOTHING). If they find anything at all, a lie about a big find will be easy to throw in the mix.

Now that we have been looking much longer than the inspectors, and still have not found anything (coupled with the fact the the Iraqis are denying any form of WMD programs/capabilities), there is now way they could plant "the big one".

They missed their opportunity (which would have been to plant and discovered WMD early in the occupation).

They are really in a tough position. The picture of Powell, and AWOL this morning tells the story.

Cheers
Drifter
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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:47 AM
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9. Kay Report shelved. Because No WMD found in Iraq
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 09:48 AM by protect freedom impe
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/09/17_cheney.html


Big Difference 24 Hours Can Make in Cheney's Media Fantasy Parade!


A BUZZFLASH READER COMMENTARY
by Amanda


Dear BuzzFlash,

What a big difference 24 hours can make in the Bush-Cheney media fantasy parade? Yesterday, Cheney said David Kay was preparing a report that would validate assertions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

Today, US and British officials state that Kay's report had been delayed and may not necessarily even be published.

From "Meet the Press" Transcript with Tim Russert and Vice President Dick Cheney, Sunday, September 14, 2003:

MR. RUSSERT: Let me turn to weapons of mass destruction. I asked you back in March what you thought was the most important rationale for going to war with Iraq. There’s the question, and here is your answer: “...the combination of {Saddam’s} development and use of chemical weapons, his development of biological weapons, his pursuit of nuclear weapons.”

VICE PRES. CHENEY: And the tie to terror.

MR. RUSSERT: Where are they?

VICE PRES. CHENEY: Well, I think that the jury is still out in terms of trying to get everything pulled together with respect to what we know. But we’ve got a very good man now in charge of the operation, David Kay. He used to run UNSCOM, a highly qualified, technically qualified and able individual. He’s in charge of the operation now.

And I also think, Tim, that if you go back and look at what we found to date, that we—there’s no doubt in my mind but what Saddam Hussein had these capabilities. This wasn’t an idea cooked up overnight by a handful of people, either in the administration or out of the CIA. The reporting that led to the National Intelligence Estimate, upon which I based my statements to you, that was produced a year ago now, the essence of which has since been declassified, that was the product of hundreds of people working over probably 20 years, back at least to the Osirak reactor in 1981.

The conclusions in that NIE, I think, are very valid. And I think we will find that in fact they are valid. What we’re dealing with here is a regime that had to learn after we hit them in ’91 that anything above ground was likely to be destroyed in an air campaign. They’d gone through many years of inspections. They knew they had to hide and bury their capabilities in this region inside their civilian structure. And I think that’s what they did. And if you look—we’ll talk about the nuclear program. The judgment in the NIE was that if Saddam could acquire fissile material, weapons-grade material, that he would have a nuclear weapon within a few months to a year. That was the judgment of the intelligence community of the United States, and they had a high degree of confidence in it.

What do we know ahead? Well, we know he had worked on the program for 20 years. We know he had technicians who knew how do this stuff because they had been working on it over that period of time. We believed, the community believed, that he had a workable design for a bomb. And we know he had 500 tons of uranium. It is there today at Tuwaitha, under seal of the International Atomic Energy Agency. All those are facts that are basically not in dispute. And since we got in there, we found—we had a gentleman come forward, for example, with full designs for a process centrifuge system to enrich uranium and the key parts that you’d need to build such a system. And we know Saddam had worked on that kind of system before. That’s physical evidence that we’ve got in hand today.

So to suggest that there is no evidence there that he had aspirations to acquire nuclear weapon, I don’t think is valid, and I think David Kay will find more evidence as he goes forward, interviews people, as we get to folks willing to come forward now as they become more and more convinced that it’s safe to do so, that, in fact, he (Saddam) had a robust plan, had previously worked on it and would work on it again.

Same on biological weapons—we believe he’d developed the capacity to go mobile with his BW production capability because, again, in reaction to what we had done to him in ’91. We had intelligence reporting before the war that there were at least seven of these mobile labs that he had gone out and acquired. We’ve, since the war, found two of them. They’re in our possession today, mobile biological facilities that can be used to produce anthrax or smallpox or whatever else you wanted to use during the course of developing the capacity for an attack.

So on CW and chemical weapons, my guess is it’s buried inside his civilian infrastructure. That’s not an unusual place to put it. And, again, David Kay’s task is to look for the people that were involved in the program, to find documentary evidence to back it up, to find physical evidence when he can find that. It’s a hard task, but I have got great confidence that he can do this. And again, the whole notion that somehow there’s nothing to the notion that Saddam Hussein had WMD or had developed WMD, it just strikes me as fallacious. It’s not valid now. Nobody drove into Baghdad and had somebody say, “Hey, there’s the building over there where all of our WMDs stored.” But that’s not the way the system worked.

* * *


Report on Iraq WMD shelved as no evidence found by US-UK team
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4708.htm

September 15, 2003

After failing to get any evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the US and Britain have decided to delay indefinitely the publication of a full report on the controversial issue, media reported today.

Efforts by the Iraq Survey Group, an Anglo-American team of 1,400 scientists, military and intelligence experts, to scour Iraq for the past four months to uncover evidence of chemical or biological weapons have so far ended in failure, 'The Sunday Times' claimed in its report.

It had been expected that a progress report would be published tomorrow but MPs on the British Parliament's security and intelligence committee have been told that even this has been delayed and no new date set.

British defence intelligence sources have confirmed that the final report, which is to be submitted by David Kay, the survey group's leader, to George Tenet, head of the CIA, had been delayed and may not necessarily even be published, the paper said.

In July, Kay suggested on US television that he had seen enough evidence to convince himself that ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had had a programme to produce weapons of mass destruction.

He expected to find "strong" evidence of missile delivery systems and "probably" evidence of biological weapons. But last week British officials said they believed Kay had been "kite-flying" and that no hard evidence had been uncovered.


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Also in the news:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/25/iraq/printable560449.shtml

In July, David Kay, the survey group's leader, suggested that he had seen enough evidence to convince himself that Saddam Hussein had had a program to produce weapons of mass destruction. He expected to find "strong" evidence of missile delivery systems and "probably" evidence of biological weapons.

But last week, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said he had met with Kay, and that the onetime weapons inspector had not informed him of any finds.

A Buzzflash Reader


A BUZZFLASH READER COMMENTARY
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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:50 AM
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10. They're waiting for another wmd inspector/specialist to be found
'dead by the bushes':

6-4 fav: Hans Blix
7-4: Geoff "Bab" Hoon ****(UK Defence Min)
2-1: Lord Levy (Tony Blair's Middle East Envoy)
3-1: Colin Powell
etc


****In Australia a 'hoon' is derogatory local witticism denoting a pimp, lowest of the low crawler, purveyor of infected/diseased prostitutes....
just in case you wondered.....
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leetrisck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:50 AM
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11. Report pretty much shelved
Nothing much there.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:50 AM
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12. next up: "we never said there are WMDs in Iraq"
"and the color of grass is purple"

and 'the people' will believe it.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:54 AM
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13. Well, when they realized that the "surprise" was that there were no WMD's
The report kinda got forgotten :).
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sattahipdeep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:04 AM
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14. No hidden stockpiles
JIM LEHRER: In all fairness to Hans Blix, I misspoke --
what he said was since 1991 they had been destroyed
through your offices.

ROLF EKEUS: We destroyed
them, definitely. It had to be
special destruction and it took
several years to clean up, in
96, we could end biological
weapons destruction
programs. We took many
years, first to find it. However,
I agree, my sense is that they did not produce anything
since '91, for several reasons. First of all, it was the
presence of weapons experts.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec03/ekeus_9-22.html
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