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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:23 AM
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Bush UN Speech Thread #2

:grr:
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:25 AM
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1. isnt he done yet?
how can you people stand it? "uhhhh...nuke-u-ler! nuke-u-ler!"
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diplomats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:49 AM
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32. That's why I'm glad I'm at work
I can't stand to look at the guy, let alone listen to him.
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devinsgram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:07 AM
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40. I agree
He actually makes me get pyshically ill when he is on so I can't watch him. I come here to get all my news.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:26 AM
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2. Chirac at 11:45 EST
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 10:26 AM by RUMMYisFROSTED
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:26 AM
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3. AAAAAAAAAAGH I CAN'T STAND IT!!!!!
Especially this CRAP about how we care so much about the international sex slave trade! Why does he think this shit happens? It's because we REDUCE EVERYONE'S COUNTRY TO RUBBLE so people are desperate to get hte hell OUT so they can EAT!

@#$!!!!.

I missed the beginning where he was actually talking about Iraq (I hope). Only caught the self-justifying BULLSHIT.

:puke:

THe Plaid Adder
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:29 AM
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10. Same old Accusations
and same ten words - regime, wmd's, terra, nukulor, etc...you missed nothing
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SweetZombieJesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:32 AM
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The sex trade thing is just a red herring
That way, if anyone votes against the resolution, the wingers can scream "THEY LIKE SEX SLAVES! THEY ARE IN FAVOR OF SEX SLAVES!"

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:39 AM
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28. Funny...
He didn't seem so upset about it when Neil Bush went to Thailand and tried out a few of them....
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:57 AM
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37. Maybe Our Mess in AFGHANISTAN...
has something to do with it?

read UN report:

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/press_release_2003-09-18_1.html

“On the one hand, the trafficking of Afghan opium through the territories of CIS has a negative effect on the health of population, like the current catastrophic scale of HIV/AIDS in the region. On the other, it also nourishes organized crime, laundering of enormous profits from narco trafficking, and the resulting spread of corruption, illicit trafficking in fire-arms and human beings. All this together is financially fuelling global terrorist operations,” Mr. Costa said.


The sex tour part was a big WTF, tho.
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lindashaw Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:34 AM
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24. Well, I heard the beginning and had to leave the room...
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maha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:27 AM
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4. It's over ... it's over
Applause was polite. And very quiet.

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:28 AM
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5. "rekanize"? "REKANIZE"? The 1st Time, I Thought
it was just a flub. 2nd time's a charm.

What the heck did he say besides, "Me-good, everybody BAD." EAGLEBERGER on CNN claiming it was "a very good speech. I was IMPRESSED with it. He didn't back down from WMD or ANYTHING. This gentleman, our pResident, is not going to go hat in hand anywhere. It's going to be Colin POWELL's task."


Haha. yeah, POWELL is the designated groveler.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:30 AM
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12. So we are supposed to be impressed
and proud that he is a lying, arrogant whistle ass?!?!? :wtf:
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:32 AM
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18. Otoh, Paula "Chuckie" ZAHN Said
about the actually BRILLIANT speech by Kofi ANNAN, "He's trying to have it both ways."
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:28 AM
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6. Thanks!
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 11:12 AM by prolesunited
It was getting really slow to load.

BTW, the first thread is here in case you weren't following along at home:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=388843&mesg_id=388843

Who needs to watch when you got DU?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:29 AM
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:29 AM
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8. And now
the media adulation begins. I just turned my TV off!!
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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:31 AM
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14. Same here.
I will not watch that crap.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:29 AM
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9. The place won't come to order. Everybody's going "WTF?" to eachother
in their respective language.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:31 AM
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16. no boos?
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Cappurr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:30 AM
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11. Actually....
He sounded great. Didn't say a damn thing. Included a bunch of lies about WMD in Iraq, terrorism in Iraq and all the great things we are doing in Iraq. He added in the AID and sex trade to make us seem "compassionate". But it was all bullshit. It just sounded good if you don't know the facts.
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:34 AM
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26. Hadn't heard that phrase before.
'sex tourism'

thought he was mush-mouthin 'terraism' one step further.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:41 AM
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30. Absolutely...
Enough to satisfy the right-wingers....and that's all that's important to these folks anyway. Either you are with them or you are against them.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:11 AM
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41. Unfortunately the audience
from whom Bush needs help, is knowledgable. He may be pandering to his freepertype domestic audience but that is not who he needs to convince. These folks are now aware of the well documented lies and fabrications (asserting fact based on undocumented unproven theories) given to them by the then-respected Sec of State Powell. These folks are aware that last winter the US National Security Agency bugged their living quarters. These folks know that Blair and Bush led propoganda to sway their popultions and attempt to sway the UN. They know that Blair and Bush, back then claiming to want to disarm Iraq, worked from the day UN weapons inspectors were on the ground - to discredit their work. Bush wins no points from the audience he desprately needs to win some assistance from.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:30 AM
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13. how fucking rude ..yet typical of US arogance to ALL get up and leave
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 10:36 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
and not give a shit what other leaders have to say!!!! even negroponte left!!!...i am so ashamed of this current amereican gov't!!! bush* never even offered condulences to the UN and brazil for the death of sergio de mello during his UN speech...he only mention the bombing of the UN compound and the deaths...but never his regrets....even tho it was his actions (invasion of iraq) that is the cause of these deaths and bombing!...bush makes me :puke: :puke: :puke:
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:34 AM
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22. I saw that!
I thought maybe they all had to pee! I had to puke but I came back. Did they really leave and not come back? That is simply the worst thing I have ever seen.
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:58 AM
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38. Oh My God, did they really leave? The only thing larger than
their arrogance is their ignorance.
I hope this nightmare of an administration is over soon.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:34 AM
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25. Condi and Colin went out to lick the Shrub's shoes clean
The UN stuck Bush's speech in between Brazil and Peru..I find that wonderful...
HEY ASSHOLE YOU ARE NOT THE KING OF THE WORLD.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:46 AM
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31. i wonder if chalabi and the puppet iraqi delagation left also?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:50 AM
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33. France Chirac up...first words "honor serio de mello and what a great man
he was" and the regreets of his senseless death"
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:31 AM
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15. "The Speech"
bush said there is need to "train" the Iraqi people in Democracy. What I'd like to know, is who "trained" the early American rebels? Who "trained" all of the Eastern European formerly Communist countries in Democracy? No, that remark sounds like a bunch of crapola to me. Either it will be a Democracy, or it won't. C'mon bush, how stupid do you think the rest of the world is? Wait, don't answer that! I think we already know. I must say, however, that I agreed with his remarks about the sex trade. It is insidious and needs to be shut down. But what does that have to do with the invasion, and subsequent occupation of Iraq?
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:31 AM
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17. The UN...
didn't think much of it either.

That's kinda how it works when he doesn't have his usual packed crowd of shills.

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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:32 AM
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19. WTF? Is right...
Where did this "international sex trade" come from?

Another diversionary tactic?

The other delegates seemed to be absolutely dumbfounded.....
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:32 AM
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20. He sounded so--so--EMASCULATED!
After the royal gelding Kofi gave him, all he could do was fling compliments and rally around such opposition-proof issues as sex slavery and famine. And did you catch his laundry list of nations that have been terrorism victims? Sure it's an international problem, but that's all the more reason why he should have joined the UN in coming up with a international solution!

rocknation
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:34 AM
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21. the tepid and the same old
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 10:35 AM by PATRICK
Complete with a diversionary finale of empty promises and flourished about a "unifying" issue. Altogether * spoke to none of the ideas or points of the other speakers. Politely pointless without being too strident. Emotive without being too moving. Finished with a minimum of slurs and mangling in elegant deadpan chopped delivery replete with cute and insincere facial expressions and disconnected hands.

Just watch how the unsubstantial sidestepping gets the US News headlines
and the eloquent good sense of all the other speakers is lost. I notice all the other speakers look down at their notes. Just what is Bush using?
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:34 AM
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23. piehole effect and other comments
The DOW was UNCHANGED (0) when the whistleass opened his piehole

during the 25 minutes - the DOW stayed in the red between -.35 and -13

seems that marketeers were holding their collective breath

ok- the speech:

Overall, the speech was all over the place, aids, Iraq, WMD's, Palestine, Afghanistan, terra-terra-terra, sex-trade/slavery. No clear direction (why am I not surprised)

Several times the whistleass when mentioning torture, death, WMD's, (booga-booga) he had to surpress a smirk

He also paused several times as if expecting to be interupted by spontaneous cheering and clapping.... didn't anyone tell him that they were unable to pack the UN with selected GOPer cheerleaders?

For most of the speech he looked like a deer in the headlights

at the conclusion he exposes his greatest arrogance by reminding the UN of their purpose

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my opinion on the whole speech - it's a bust, weak, directionless and stinks of arrogance
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walkon Donating Member (919 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:50 AM
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34. Agree with your opinion.
I watched and listened, as hard as it was to do, and now I can't tell you what the point of this "speech" was. It seemed to be made up of pre-invasion lies, fantasies and the usual blind arrogance with the sex trade thrown in as an after thought. It confirms this administrations single minded focus on greed and power as well as its almost unfathomable ignorance on every issue of importance to human kind. The assembly looked like an ant hill that had been poked by a stick at the conclusion of these useless remarks. What great Evil our proud country has allowed to take hold!
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:35 AM
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27. Faux advertised its "interview" as the eve of *'s 'historical' UN speech
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:40 AM
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29. Reminds everybody else of their "responsibilities"
while ending the speech about having the 'will' and 'moral clarity' to do what needs to be done.

IOW, we'll keep acting unilaterally like a bull in a china shop and it's up to you to clean up after us. Truly appalling.

I hope the GA sends him packing with nada.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:54 AM
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35. OK, Now I'm Convinced
Whistle-ass truly has no idea what the UN does, has done, and continues to do every day. He honestly believes that this "irrevelant" organization doesn't do a damn thing, and it's up to Bush to lead them out of their misdirection (or non-direction) and keep them up to date with the problems of the world - hoping it will inspire them to act.

Meanwhile, back at the United Nations...

here's a UN press release from last week:

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/press_release_2003-09-18_1.html

“On the one hand, the trafficking of Afghan opium through the territories of CIS has a negative effect on the health of population, like the current catastrophic scale of HIV/AIDS in the region. On the other, it also nourishes organized crime, laundering of enormous profits from narco trafficking, and the resulting spread of corruption, illicit trafficking in fire-arms and human beings. All this together is financially fuelling global terrorist operations,” Mr. Costa said.

Yeah, great idea, W. Aren't you glad you thought of it?

On the other hand, Bush must know how badly things are going in Afghanistan. He just doesn't want the American people to know.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:57 AM
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36. Just more of his projections of the misAdministrations own shortcomings
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 10:58 AM by havocmom
Infastructure suffering because of spending on weapons

WMDs used aggressively against innocents

Disregard for human suffering and life in general in persuit of self gratification

Oh, and did he also make Neil's Thailand 'party'expenses tax deductable (as research) while pulling the Rovian stunt of diverting attention and critism with the bit on sex slavery?

Typical drunk... the whole misAdministration has the personality defects... blame everybody else for conditions/actions and divert as much rightous indignation as possible from own shortcomings and vile actions.

edit: typo
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:01 AM
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39. We called it...
Myself, Will, scads of others... it wasn't unexpected.

A Domestic speech for his true-believer base. The UN and delegates were just window-dressing, and could have been replaced by a photograph or virtual set filled with digital puppets of Jar-Jar Binks.
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