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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:35 PM
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Amazing AP story on DSM today. We're entering the realm of
Edited on Sat Jun-18-05 05:35 PM by Jon8503
impeachable offenses:

Saturday, June 18, 2005
by John in DC - 6/18/2005 02:13:00 PM
AP doing some impressive reporting today on the Downing Street Memos.

Seriously, read this report, it's long and detailed and THAT GOOD. We're talking impeachable offenses here, and the Brits' own Deep Throats are starting to talk.

When Prime Minister Tony Blair's chief foreign policy adviser dined with Condoleezza Rice six months after Sept. 11, the then-U.S. national security adviser didn't want to discuss Osama bin Laden or al-Qaida. She wanted to talk about "regime change" in Iraq, setting the stage for the U.S.-led invasion more than a year later. President Bush wanted Blair's support, but British officials worried the White House was rushing to war, according to a series of leaked secret Downing Street memos that have renewed questions and debate about Washington's motives for ousting Saddam Hussein.

In one of the memos, British Foreign Office political director Peter Ricketts openly asks whether the Bush administration had a clear and compelling military reason for war. "U.S. scrambling to establish a link between Iraq and al-Qaida is so far frankly unconvincing," Ricketts says in the memo. "For Iraq, `regime change' does not stack up. It sounds like a grudge between Bush and Saddam."....

The AP obtained copies of six of the memos (the other two have circulated widely). A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/06/amazing-ap-story-on-dsm-today-were.html
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:37 PM
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1. I am really impressed with a lot of stuff coming out of the AP today
I love the links to the documents at the end of several of their articles.
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:39 PM
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2. That's what we want!!!! The Associated Press actually doing their job!
Send them lots of mail and feedback for supporting these stories, and tell them to CHASTISE the complicit media who is covering up these lies and refusing to report it.

We need to get that message through loud and clear. :thumbsup:
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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:18 PM
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21. What we want is for the WORLD to call for Bush's trial and removal.
The US is always telling other people in other countries to overthrow their governments. The rest of the world needs to tell the Americans to do the same thing...in the name of spreading "freedom and democracy."

Throw the bums out!!!
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:44 PM
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3. When there is a Republican president
and and the House is controlled by republicans, there are no impeachable offenses.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:43 PM
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12. I would have agreed with you, until recently.
I think there has been a real sea change in the last month and the public is turning against ** big time. If enough of us are upset, things can happen.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:48 PM
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14. I think a lot of the GOP Congresspeople are starting to feel a TON of....
...pressure from their constituencies to do something to get us out of that place.
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bejammin075 Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 10:01 PM
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18. My GOP Rep's office knows my voice on the phone
I've called so many times since 5/1/05.

Some of the more shrill points that I make on some of the calls:

"100% of your constituents were LIED to."
"100% of tax payers were LIED to."
"100% of our dead soldiers were LIED to."
"100% of the family members of the dead soldiers were LIED to."
"100% of the severely wounded, with their faces, arms and legs blown off, were LIED to."

(any and all of the above are a segway into...)

"Who do you represent, Mr. Representative? The People? Or the President? Just because half the people don't yet realize it (yet), doesn't mean they don't deserve justice."

And mention the American Soldier death toll since the 5/1/05 publication of the DSM. 128 deaths as of a couple days ago. 128 deaths while my rep has done nothing but hide from the truth. Fuck him (my rep) he's one of the scummier Republicans. The purpose of my call is more of a threat of the informed public.
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:50 PM
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23. Dayum
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 06:52 PM by Lecky
I think I was way too nice to my republican rep. The battle has just begun though MUAHAHA!

but seriously...if they don't agree to an investigation then they care more about their political party than their own country and constitution...not to mention our troops. We should be working overtime to pressure congress to bring them back safely.

What kind of message does that send if they don't agree to at least an investigation? Is our president above the law?

I'm not going to give up on my little red state reps, it shouldn't be too hard since they overfloweth with morals and values.

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 07:04 PM
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25. By all means don't give up, and DON'T EVER stop contacting them!
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 07:05 PM by calimary
DON'T, WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T EVER stop nagging them. As they get closer to reelection time, they're going to realize, whether they like it or not, that YOUR vote could make the difference between their continued employment in the corridors of power, or UNEMPLOYMENT, so they damned well BETTER listen to you. They can't afford not to. They will very likely soon get the clear impression that there are more like you in their district than they're comfortable admitting to. And that there are MORE agreeing with YOU every day.

The tide IS turning, and the sooner these lunkheads and bush apologists realize this, the sooner we arrive at IMPEACHMENT. It was the Republicans, back in the day, who convinced Nixon to throw in the towel. He wouldn't have listened if it were only Dems. But his own party higherups told him he'd lost THEIR support.

Even now, that's starting to happen. I just saw a Washington Post article here yesterday, I think, that said it wasn't the Democrats who were necessarily being the obstructionists of all the bush programs going south since he "took" office again. It was because of defectors FROM HIS OWN PARTY. In fact, here it is:

Little Opposition From Party of 'Obstruction'

By Terry M. Neal
Washingtonpost.com Staff Writer
Monday, June 20, 2005; 12:01 AM

-snip-
The president is suffering a case of the political blues right now. His agenda on major items such as Social Security, the energy bill, CAFTA (a proposed trade agreement with Central America) and John Bolton's nomination appears to be going nowhere fast. His plan to pack the courts with conservatives was compromised by members of his own party. And his handling of the war in Iraq is increasingly under attack.

-snip-
The truth is, while Democrats are now offering more vocal opposition to the president than they were in most of Bush's first term, their success in foiling Bush's second-term agenda has come only because Republicans have joined them.

"President Bush's status as a political lame duck is becoming clearer every day," said Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean in a statement on Thursday in response to a Washington Post story about opposition to the president's Social Security plan among Republicans. "His scheme for Social Security is not only being rejected by voters, but also by congressional Republicans worried about paying a political price at the ballot box in 2006."

-snip-
Second terms are always difficult. Bush will never run for president again; and even if it's early in his second term, the party is already anticipating a future without him. Compounding that historical difficulty are Bush's tumbling approval ratings. Bush's approval rating is far lower than any other second-term president at this stage in his term. While Bush remains popular with conservatives, his support among moderates and independents has tumbled. That means many members of Congress who represent either moderate districts or states have little to fear by straying off the partisan plantation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...


I tell ya, guys, this WILL happen again. If enough of the public roars, these weasels in the republi-CON party know their days on the Hill are numbered if they turn a deaf ear.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 07:32 PM
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27. That's been my feeling all along.
I've never agreed with the conventional wisdom that a Republican congress would NEVER, under any circumstances, impeach a Republican president. I agree that it's a lot more difficult, but not impossible. Of course if we had a Democratic congress Bush would have been impeached already, or more likely would never have had a second term because the Ohio vote would have been successfully challenged. But I don't think it's impossible or out of the question for a Republican congress to impeach Bush.

It will happen when the individual Repuke senators and congress critters start feeling enough pressure from their constituents and it's THEIR asses on the line. It looks as though that moment is rapidly approaching, if it's not here already.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 07:29 PM
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26. When there is a Republican president...
and and the House is controlled by republicans, the house still gets decides what an impeachable offense is...

"An impeachable offence is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history.” - Representative Gerald Ford, 1970
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:45 PM
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4. No originals?
Hmmm.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:46 PM
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5. Does this mean the elite wants out of the war?
Getting ready to throw Cheney, Rove, Rice, Rumsfeld, Bush and the neo-cons to the wolves?
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:51 PM
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7. Only the criminally insane would want to stay in it. n/t
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:58 PM
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24. Hmm...
Watching McCain on CSPAN and he is heavily pushing this war (it's pretty unconvincing).

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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:52 PM
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8. Oblivious, I think so too. How many times are you seeing the
word "impeachment" now in various news articles?

People starting to talk in London.

You can almost smell the tide starting to turn on this.

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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 08:50 AM
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19. I hope you're right.
There will be such satisfaction watching these thugs go down.


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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:25 PM
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10. I believe so. This team so carefully drafted failed to win the series
as they assured their investors they would. I believe that the world has a few years to breathe easier.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:52 PM
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16. If by "elite" you mean major corporate owners and CEOs, I think....
...you're correct. All of the fabulous wealth promised to the wealthy by the NeoCons has manifested itself only in the tax cuts. Nothing else has panned out and they're starting to get real nervous about the state of the economy.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:29 PM
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17. Yes, that's exactly what I meant.
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:47 PM
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6. Keys To Impeachment
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:49 PM
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15. AP is finally doing their damn job....Don't let up on the associated press
Or CNN....Or any of them.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 05:54 PM
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9. KICK!
Kick!
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:38 PM
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11. The NeoCon Hierarchy Must Be Having A Stroke Over The...
chimps situation with the DSM and wondering how their going to recover before 2006 and more important 2008.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:46 PM
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13. AP admitted they 'dropped the ball" on this issue so they are making up
for it today. This was on some DU post today.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:12 PM
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20. is this AP story in any newspapers???....so that US sees it????
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:25 PM
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22. Ms Rice making the Corp Media rounds.
She is a bit smoother than before in her lying. Guess that she has been working on her delivery. She should be charged with War Crimes along with the rest of the Bush Regime.

Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rice, Rumsfeld, should all be charged with High Crimes.
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