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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:01 PM
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Mark Twain, John Conyers, & DU
"Some forty years ago G. K. Chesterton wrote that every time the world was in trouble the demand went up for a practical man. Unfortunately, he said, each time the demand went up there was a practical man available. As he pointed out then, usually what was needed to deal with an impractical muddle was a theorist or philosopher." -- Senator Eugene J. McCarthy; May 9, 1965

If a person were to watch Fox News this evening at 6 pm EST, and five hours later, that same person were to read DU:GD, they would reach the inescapable conclusion that they were being exposed to two very different worlds of thought.

From Fox News, they would be told that we have entered a troubled time, but that a practical man -- George W. Bush -- had a firm grip on the reins of control. Fox would assure that person that the safest bet to protect the Constitutional Rights outlined by our Founding Fathers was to sit back and do nothing more than trust this practical president as he crushed those rights, one by one, in order to make us safer. The most that Fox requires of citizens is to pay tribute to those who advertise on their station.

From DU:GD, that same person would read that the need of the day is not a practical George -- indeed, practically speaking, Bush represents the greatest threat to that Constitution. Rather, DU has found a voice in the wilderness, a combination of theorist and philosopher: Congressman John Conyers. And, unlike on Fox News, the reader would find encouragement to become active, as a partner in the struggle for democracy .... in fact, DU has a near constant supply of activities for grass roots activists to participate in.

"It is absolutely necessary that rebellion find its reasons within itself, since it cannot find them elsewhere. It must consent to examine itself in order to learn how to act." -- Albert Camus; "The Rebel"

One of the things that has struck many of us as singular is how a congressional leader, of character and integrity, has such trouble getting access to the media. The bigger the lies of the republican counterpart, the more often they are featured on a Fox News exclusive. A practical citizen might conclude that there are tariffs on the truth when it comes to the corporate media. Free press, indeed!

Yet this is not new. A century ago, when the United States had to compensate for the end of slavery by engaging in a series of imperialist adventures, author Mark Twain attempted to speak out against the injustices he saw. But the media, recognizing him as both a theorist and philosopher, knew it was impractical to allow him to have a public forum. Thus, he was denied coverage for his public utterances.

One group of grass roots activists, known as the Anti-Imperialist League, printed a series of pamphlets and small cards that carried some of Mark Twain's more insightful comments. In honor of John Conyers, I thought I'd share a few of these quotes with DUers. I think that it is likely that other DUers have other quotes, from other patriots, that might help us in our search for reason from within.

"Is this a case of magnanimity, forbearance, love, gentleness, mercy, protection of the weak -- this strange and over-showy onslaught of an elephant upon a nest of field mice, on the pretext that the mice had squeaked an insolence at him -- conduct which 'no self respecting government could allow to pass unavenged'?"
-- Mark Twain on the Boer War

"The royal palace of Belgium is still what it has been for fourteen years, the den of a wild beast, King Leopold II, who for money's sake mutilates, murders and starves half a million of friendless and helpless poor natives in the Congo State every year, and does it by the silent consent of all the Christian powers except England, none of them lifting a hand or a voice to stop these atrocities, although thirteen of them are by solemn treaty pledged to the protecting and uplifting of those wretched natives. In fourteen years Leopold has deliberately destroyed more lives than have suffered death on all the battlefields of this planey for the past thousand years. In this vast statement I am well within the mark, several million lives within the mark. It is curious that the most advanced and most enlightened century of all the centuries the sun has looked upon should have the ghastly distinction of having produced his moldy and piety-mouthing hypocrite, this bloody monster whose mate is not findable in human history anywhere, and whose personality will surely shame hell itself when he arrives there .....

"The conditions under which the poor lived in the Middle ages were hard enough, but those conditions were heaven itself as compared with those which have obtained in the Congo for these past fourteen years."
-- Mark Twain; "King Leopold's Soliloquy"; 1905 (The profits from this 25 cent pamphlet went to the relief of the people in the Congo.)

"(In the Philippines) we do not intend to free but to subjugate the people. We have gone there to conquer, not redeem. It should, it seems to me, be our pleasure and duty to make those people free and let them deal with their own domestic questions in their own way. And so I am anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land."

"(In the Boxer Rebellion) my sympathies are with the Chinese. THey have been villainously dealt with by the sceptered thieves of Europe, and I hope they will drive all the foreigners out and keep them out for good. We have no more business in China than in any other country that is not ours."
-- Mark Twain; Anti-Imperialist League cards
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:03 PM
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1. I want a copy of "King Leopold's Soliloquy"
Hard to come by...my African History prof. has one.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:10 PM
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4. I hope that your
African History prof will allow some students, talented in the use of a computer, to make and distribute copies of it!
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bluedonkey Donating Member (644 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:43 PM
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25. Is this what you're looking for?
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:08 PM
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2. Your post is SO recommended!!!
Excellent, H20Man!!:thumbsup:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:09 PM
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3. Thanks!
I think that DU could supply a number of these types of quotes, which Congressman Conyers may find useful in the upcoming days.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:44 PM
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8. I have the complete works of Twain
a 1924 edition. I guess I should dust them off. Anything you'd like me to look up?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:17 PM
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17. I've had two copies of
a later book, published after Twain's death. Like so many good books, you loan it and never see it again. It was a collection of essays that one might expect to find DUers enjoying, and republicans having fits before calling for book burnings. Does it sound familiar?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:45 PM
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26. For lovers of Twain
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:26 AM
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37. a couple quotes for ya H2O
http://docsouth.unc.edu.nyud.net:8090/twainlife/twaincv.jpg


The priest explained the mysteries of the faith "by signs," for the saving of the savages; thus compensating them with possible possessions in heaven for the certain ones on earth which they had just been robbed of. Nobody smiles at these colossal ironies.
- Life on the Mississippi


We have to keep our God placated with prayers, and even then we are never sure of him--how much higher and finer is the Indian's God......Our illogical God is all-powerful in name, but impotent in fact; the Great Spirit is not all-powerful, but does the very best he can for his injun and does it free of charge.
- Marginalia written in copy of Richard Irving Dodge's Our Wild Indians

I said there was nothing so convincing to an Indian as a general massacre. If he could not approve of the massacre, I said the next surest thing for an Indian was soap and education. Soap and education are not as sudden as a massacre, but they are more deadly in the long run; because a half-massacred Indian may recover, but if you educate him and wash him, it is bound to finish him some time or other.
- "Facts Concerning the Recent Resignation"

...knowledge of Indians, & humanity are seldom found in the same individual.
- Letter to W. D. Howells, 2/22/1877
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:21 PM
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5. Fabulous! "It is curious that the most advanced and most enlightened
century of all the centuries the sun has looked upon should have the ghastly distinction of having produced his moldy and piety-mouthing hypocrite..."


Thank you for this insightful post.


:thumbsup:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:19 PM
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18. Sounds familiar, eh?
I guess the more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:22 PM
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6. Thanks for a great post from a Twain fan! Kicked to the front page!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:33 PM
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7. We could use a Mark Twain right about now
Great quotes.

Thanks for digging them up.

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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:47 PM
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9. Some of the most inspiring quotes of our time!!!!
Keep up the full court onslaught.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 11:00 PM
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30. I am hoping
that other people will add some of their favorite quotes.
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KlatooBNikto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:52 PM
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10. It is nothing short of astonishing that a man like Mark Twain could so
easily pierce the Imperialist Curtain from far away.While John Conyers is certainly not a Mark Twain in terms of his eloquence, he too has pierced that Imperialist Curtain in his own fashion, ably assisted by Cindy Sheehan.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:23 PM
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19. I agree.
Twain could make magic with words. One advantage that Conyers has is that he can quote Twain. The republicans can't. This is the type of symbolism that the democrats need to use. There is a wide audience who was raised respecting Mark Twain, and these types of quotes help to bring the war in Iraq into sharp focus.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:54 PM
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11. Terrific post, as usual H2O.
Thank you for sharing these quotes with us and for the inspiration. :hug:



Nominated & Kicked :kick:
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 06:56 PM
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12. *sigh*
The need for vigilance against tyranny never seems to end.

I love your post, H2O Man, although it does cause me to sigh because we are witnessing yet another unnecessary push against human progress and potential and hope. At this point in history, an International Anti-Imperialist League would be appropriate.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:25 PM
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20. We can benefit
by studying their tactics. The "early" corporate press wished to silence him, too. And so pamphlets and message cards were used as an underground press.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:37 PM
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23. No doubt we ARE utilizing those tactics,...
,...just in a different century. :hug: You are such a special influence, m'dear. Thank you for bringing human gravity back into the fore. You are like a vaccine against a terrible disease that attacks the human spirit. :hug: I love you for that!!!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:40 PM
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24. I am part
of a grass-roots network here on DU. I had a grandfather who demanded that all of his children and grandchildren read Mark Twain. For that I am very grateful.
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Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 07:00 PM
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13. Thanks.
I have a Twain quote in my sig.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 07:03 PM
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14. My Contribution To Your Twain Page
3 More BY Him:

Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are more pliable.

Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities. Truth isn't.

Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.

As for John Conyers, there have been calls for him to run for president. I don't want him to be president. I'd rather he be the one keeping his eye on presidents. This honor bound man needs to remain the keeper of the gate of our liberties.

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savannahana Donating Member (491 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 07:37 PM
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15. excellent post! nominated, with admiration & thanks to you, waterman
straight into my "Keeper Threads of the Week" file! :thumbsup:

ps: i'm receiving ground mail from Robert Kennedy on his projects - thanks to following a link to a petition you posted here last month (i think?), & bustin' it to allocate some small funds and steady responses toward his projects... please accept belated thanks for all the intelligence & leadership you show us here on the essence of our "water issues" :hi:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:28 PM
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21. Thank you!
I appreciate that. We need to be supporting leaders like Conyers and Kennedy. And they need to be supporting us. One hand washes the other.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 07:58 PM
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16. The clothes
have no Emperor.

:evilgrin:

"Today the challenge of political courage looms larger than ever before. For our everyday life is becoming so saturated with the tremendous power of mass communications that any unpopular or unorthodox course arouses a storm of protests such as John Quincy Adams-- under attack in 1807-- could never have envisioned. Our political life is becoming so expensive, so mechanized and so dominated by professional politicians and public relations men that the idealist who dreams of independent statesmanship is rudely awakened by the necessities of election and accomplishment. And our public life is becoming so increasingly centered upon that seemingly unending war to which we have given the curious epithet "cold" that we tend to encourage rigid ideological unity and orthodox patterns of thought.

And thus, in the days ahead, only the very courageous will be able to take the hard and unpopular decisions necessary for our survival in the struggle with a powerful enemy-- an enemy with leaders who need give little thought to the popularity of their course, who need pay little tribute to the pubic opinion they themselves manipulate, and who may force, without fear of retaliation at the polls, their citizens to sacrifice present laughter for future glory. And only the very courageous will be able to keep alive the spirit of individualism and dissent which gave birth to this nation, nourished it as an infant, and carried it through its severest tests upon the attainment of its maturity."

President John F. Kennedy
Courage and Politics
Profiles in Courage




"Curious effethips? Huh? (shrug)"

President G.W. Bush
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 08:30 PM
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22. Profiles in Courage
is an important book to read. It makes it clear what quality of "leaders" we've been subjected to in the past few generations.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 09:42 PM
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27. I Believe Kennedy Would Have Agreed With
Edited on Sat Jun-18-05 09:43 PM by Me.
This Twain quote:

Education: that which reveals to the wise, and conceals from the stupid, the vast limits of their knowledge.

Shrub has probably never read it, if he even knows who MT is.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 10:01 PM
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28. On a napkin,
RFK wrote the following message to his friend Allard K. Lowenstein while they were riding a bus in March of 1968:

"For Al, who knew the lesson of Emerson and taught it to the rest of us ....'that if a single man plant himself on his convictions and there abide, the huge world will come round to him.'"

I don't think Bush would know much about Twain beyond Tom Sawyer. I'm sure he wouldn't know Allard Lowenstein.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 10:05 PM
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29. Speaking of RFK,
his friend Arthur Schlesinger wrote a book called "The Bitter Heritage: Vietnam and American Democracy" when he was trying to convince Robert to run against LBJ. There is one line that always stood out:

"The war began as a struggle for the soul of Vietnam; will it end as a struggle for the soul of America?"

The war in Iraq has become far too much like Vietnam.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 11:49 PM
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34. Yes but he refers to Tom Sawyer
as "that feller with the raft."

'that if a single man plant himself on his convictions and there abide, the huge world will come round to him" hints at the notion I picked up somewhere along the line that a democracy depends on individual's standing for the principles. We need our heroes and courageous leaders now; hopefully the inspiration will allow individuals to feel empowered as in "if you ain't part of the solution, you're part of the problem."

"Wo/men who for truth and honor's sake
Stand fast and suffer long.
Brave wo/men who work while others sleep,
Who dare while others fly...
They build a nation's pillars deep
And lift them to the sky."

--Ralph Waldo Emerson, from "A Nation's Strenth"
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 11:35 PM
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32. Bush's limits
are half-vast
:evilgrin:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 11:33 PM
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31. Fer starters
JFK spoke and wrote his own thoughts. Bush doesn't have any.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-18-05 11:41 PM
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33. Must Read Twain: The War Prayer
http://www.ruby-sapphire.com/war_prayer.htm

It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and spluttering; on every hand and far down the receding and fading spread of roofs and balconies a fluttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by; nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory which stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts, and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country, and invoked the God of Battles beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpourings of fervid eloquence which moved every listener. It was indeed a glad and gracious time, and the half dozen rash spirits that ventured to disapprove of the war and cast a doubt upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern and angry warning that for their personal safety’s sake they quickly shrank out of sight and offended no more in that way.

more ...
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:08 AM
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35. The liberty of the Press
...the liberty of the Press is called the Palladium of Freedom, which means, in these days, the liberty of being deceived, swindled, and humbugged by the Press and paying hugely for the deception.
- "From Author's Sketch Book, Nov. 1870,"

http://www.mythfolklore.net.nyud.net:8090/mywiki/images/twainstranger.jpg

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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:19 AM
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36. kick
kick
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:29 AM
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38. I love Mark Twain so much, I memorized The War Prayer in high school.
I was so astonished when I read it, truly overwhelmed, I committed it to memory. Unfortunately, I could not recite it now, but somehow it must have made an impression, for I find very little glory in war.

But I digress. My contribution to Mark Twain quotations:

It could probably be shown by facts and figures that there is no distinctly American criminal class except Congress.

If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything.

A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:12 AM
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39. When considering how to address
the issues involved in the war in Iraq, I find myself going back to 1968 time and again. Older folks like myself will remember the excitement that was created by Senator Eugene J. McCarthy, when he began to openly challenge LBJ's policies in Vietnam.

McCarthy was a fascinating character. He also had a talent for turning a phrase. Here is one of my favorites, regarding the republican party:

"They're somewhat like the lowest forms of plant and animal life. Even at their highest point of vitality there is not much life in them; on the other hand, they don't die."

Should public high schools teach that republicans are indeed a missing link that verifies evolution?
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 12:00 PM
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40. Globalizing empire from the underbelly of the ship of state
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 12:02 PM by omega minimo
Barnacles

:hide:
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 02:09 PM
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41. Just added another recommendation.
Thanks once again for your thought provoking post.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 03:14 PM
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42. "Shall we?
That is, shall we go on conferring our Civilization upon the peoples that sit in darkness, or shall we give those poor things a rest? Shall we bang right ahead in our old-time, loud, pious way, and commit the new century to the game; or shall we sober up and sit down and think it over first? Would it not be prudent to get our Civilization-tools together, and see how much stock is left on hand in the way of Glass Beads and Theology, and Maxim guns and Hymn Books, and Trade-Gin and Torches of Progress and Enlightenment (patent adjustable ones, good to fire villages with, upon occasion), and balance the books, and arrive at the profit and loss, so that we may intelligently decide whether to continue the business or sell out the property and start a new Civilization Scheme on the proceeds?"

This is from Twain's article, "To the Person Sitting in Darkness"; his friend William Dean Howells predicted that Twain's attack on imperialism would result in the public demanding he be hung. Twain responded that "the nation is divided, half-patriots and half-traitors, and no man can tell which is which."

Howells was one of Twain's closest friends at this point. Howells wrote to his sister that "we agree perfectly about the Boer War, and the Filipino War, and war generally." Twain was perhaps at his best when he ridiculed the US General Frederick Funston, who had captured the Filipino resistance leader Emilio Arguinaldo through lies and deceit. General Funston, upon his return to the United States, made public warnings that anyone who disagreed with any of his actions or beliefs would be considered a traitor.

Twain was not intimidated. Funston could not be held responsible for his treacherous conduct, Twain argued, "because his conscience leaked out through one of his pores when he was little." Twain's portrayal of the good general, made on Washington's birthday, is interesting today:

"Neither Washington nor Funston was made in a day. It took a long time to accumulatethe materials. In each case, the basis or moral skelton of the man was inborn disposition -- a thing which is permanent as rock, and never undergoes any genuine change between cradle and grave. In each case, the moral flesh-bulk (that is to say, character),was built and shaped around the skelton by training, association and circumstances. Given a crooked-disposition skelton, no power not influence in the earth can mold a permanently shapely form around it. Training, association and circumstances can truss it, and brace it, and prop it, and strain it, and crowd it into an artificial shapeliness that can endure till the end, deceiving not only the spectator but the man himself. But there is nothing there but artificiality, and if at any time the props and trusses chance to be removed, the form will collapse into its proper and native crookedness."
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:51 PM
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43. Nice fiddling
"Sallust's description of Rome in 80 B.C. -- a government controlled by wealth, a ruling-class numb to the repetitions of political scandal, a public diverted by chariot races and gladitorial shows -- stands a fair summary of some of our own circumstances....

-- Lewis Lapham
'Waiting for the Barbarians'
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 06:01 AM
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44. Very good.
Same issues, earlier cycle.
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 08:17 AM
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45. A quote
"One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that the cat has only nine lives" -Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar

Mark Twain (Samuel Langhorne Clemens 1835-1910)
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