www.AndyThanksYou.com having the intended effect

[benburch]

I've nearly shut down the smear artists, guys.

When I post the pathology report, that should put the last nail into their self-made coffin.

[Bunny]

1. Hi benburch - I can't access this. Is it up yet?

Can you post a link?

[benburch]

2. link

http://www.AndyThanksYou.com/

[benburch]

3. And yes, parts of the final site are up. nt

[Bunny]

7. Oh thanks Ben that is a great site!

And thank you for doing this. :hug:

[KG]

4. would that be the DU smear artists or

just your common eveyday smear artists?

[greatauntoftriplets]

6. Both, I hope.

:D

[EFerrari]

8. Not DUers. Let's leave it at that. n/t

[liberalnurse]

5. Here! Here to justice.

I was totally outraged and appalled by their behavior. :grr:

That said, those who know me will realize that the "smear artist" have to be really, really horrible to get me to that point. I've dealt with child molesters, murderers and empty soul creatures of this earth and these "scam artist" fall into the very same category.

[benburch]

10. 750 views so far!

I think we have laid this matter to rest...

EXCEPT. Now we need to find a way to jail some of these guys who tried to hurt Andy.

[EFerrari]

13. Let's be smart and careful right about now.

I have no doubts, Ben.

Thanks for all you are doing.

Beth

[benburch]

15. I'm all about careful!

And I am not one to ever forgive or forget.

[EFerrari]

16. You're a no sh!t guy, benburch.

And we're so lucky you're here.

:hug:

[savannahana]

38. just to second sfexpat...

truly, BenBurch, we are fortunate you're here


:yourock:

(been to the site twice, & it's looking great!)

[OneBlueSky]

9. when a bunch of people who don't know each other . . .

come together to help someone that most of them don't know personally, it warms your heart and restores at least a little bit of your faith in humanity . . . what was done for Andy was beautiful, and those who helped should be happy and proud . . . peace . . .
:yourock:

[benburch]

12. What we did as a community was AWESOME.

And I am happy that I had a small part in removing our doubts.

WE CAN DO ANYTHING.

Remember that.

We can bury the GOP in the sands of history.

Now that we understand what we did, and what was almost done to us, it is time to redouble our efforts to destroy these goons individually and as a group.

And when we do, I'll be there, helping fight the skirmishes, the battles, and the War.

And we will be victorious!

[savannahana]

45. the whole experience changed my understanding of what's possible

in this society and this world, no matter how screwedup so much of it is now

i'd never witnessed anything like it before; & never had the chance to participate in anything like it before

despite the shameless backlash of the terminally envious,
this experience has left me feeling far less alone in the world

and each day that Andy recovers and regains his health and reclaims his purpose, and every time i see this community re-gathering in his support again, ... i figure whatever's amiss in my little corner of the world, i can cope with it, for sure :-)

thanks for saying it so well, OneBlueSky :hug:

[Nothing Without Hope]

66. You're so right, ana. Strictly speaking, we "gave," but truly, we all

received such a gift! I will never forget. We are a caring community, and that makes us strong.
:grouphug:

[savannahana]

93. every individual act of kindness

marks two souls: the giver & the receiver

likewise, every act of meanness or betrayal...

people are turned aside from lasting bitterness and despair by such small individual acts of compassion... but these small individual acts are amplified through time and experience, and come to bear full fruit in communities like this one, as we've all witnessed...

many years ago there was a young woman
ill, injured, trapped in abuse, without family support,
and experiencing the abandonment of false friends...

the day came when all she had to hold onto
was her own soul; in her kitchen, a half loaf of bread
and a can of tomato soup; in her hand, an eviction notice...

out of "the blue", a car pulled up: out stepped a woman, older, & well-off;
a writer she'd admired & worked with; but had come to count, sadly,
among the "disappeared" ones, those she'd once trusted as friends

the visitor had only just learned about her troubles...
she said: "let's talk: come with me to the store & help me shop -
all Sam's family are coming for a big dinner; i could use your help!"

so the young woman (embarrassed beyond words, & ambivalent)
rides to the supermarket, where her fortunate-friend sets an empty basket
and a long, fat food-list in her hands: "you shop this list, & i'll shop mine,

& i'll meet you at the checkout!" so: so ordinary: two women
shopping through the grocery store. but at the checkout,
fortunate woman says to the bagger: "keep all that's in her basket

separate, please!" ...trouble-woman begins to wonder...
at the car, her basketful goes into the back seat
instead of the trunk... ("the enduring elegance

of female friendship," Samuel Johnson wrote once in gratitude
to his confidant and champion and dear female friend)
...fortunate-woman & trouble-woman had only been acquainted

before that day; but for many years after that day
they remained the closest of friends: because they both saw clearly
that the deepest hunger the soul knows is all about dignity

and the deepest blessing the soul knows comes
through compassion: something we can not experience
alone: but always in relationship: reciprocal blessing

...and the groceries fit for a family feast
were brought inside the abandonment-apartment
to fill young trouble-woman's empty kitchen...

and to this day that food of the spirit
of simple humankindness fills the heart
and fuels the understanding

of trouble-woman, sitting here writing this, still feeling that blessing
22 years later, & almost to the day: i've never told this story,
so thank you for listening, NothingWithoutHope :loveya:

:grouphug: Abundance Never Forgets, & Abundance Is Us :grouphug:

((((((((((( Human-Kindness Ripple Effect )))))))))))

[Nothing Without Hope]

105. Thank you with all of my heart for sharing this, Ana

None of my words are expressive enough. What comes to mind is to share again two of my favorite quotes in the sure knowledge that you will understand:

"In everyone's life, at some time, our inner fire goes out. It is then burst into flame by an encounter with another human being. We should all be thankful for those people who rekindle the inner spirit."
–Albert Schweitzer, philosopher, physician, and musician (1875-1965)

"A human being is a part of the whole, called by us, "Universe," a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. Nobody is able to achieve this completely, but the striving for such achievement is in itself a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."
—Albert Einstein

I do believe that the deeper the pit of pain and despair that we have been mired in, the greater our capacity for compassion, wisdom and lovingkindness after we emerge from it. It's like a deep hole is dug which we can then choose to fill with the opposite of what was there before.

It's not just the truth that is on our side. It's also the deep human craving for a community of compassion and respect. Fear is such a pathetic substitute as a motivation. Kindness is at least as contagious as its opposite.

:grouphug:

[OneBlueSky]

111. that Einstein quote eloquently sums up exactly what's wrong . . .

with the human race . . . it's the truth that is the foundation of both science and religion -- when religion is being true to itself (which, unfortunately, ain't too often these days) . . . if understood and accepts, that truth could bridge the gap between science and religion and make the world a far more welcoming place for everyone . . .

[savannahana]

144. Albert S. and Albert E.

...two of our greatest philosophers/wise men. ...i had just re-read H2OMan's Mark Twain thread, on finding your response here; oh, to live again in a society where such true thinkers and lovers of humanity are beloved and esteemed, and heeded...

Hope, it is rare to feel so completely understood as i do now, reading your post here... but every bit as much as these passages from two of my most-beloved wise men (how'd you know? lol), there are these words of great eloquence and feeling from one of my favorite wise women, and these bear repeating:

I do believe that the deeper the pit of pain and despair that we have been mired in, the greater our capacity for compassion, wisdom and lovingkindness after we emerge from it. It's like a deep hole is dug which we can then choose to fill with the opposite of what was there before.

It's not just the truth that is on our side. It's also the deep human craving for a community of compassion and respect. Fear is such a pathetic substitute as a motivation. Kindness is at least as contagious as its opposite.

- Nothing Without Hope, of Democratic Underground, 18 June 2005

so very beautifully expressed, dear person; you should realize that i won't be the only one printing and keeping your words - here they'll be pinned up just above this screen, for those days and moments when the "inner fire" burns low.

for me, you are one of "those people who rekindle the inner spirit"; and i am very grateful, indeed.

((((((( :hug: Hope :hug: )))))))


:grouphug: ((((((( DU Re-Kindling Ripple Effect ))))))) :grouphug:

[Nothing Without Hope]

228. Ana, you really did it to me this time! I am so moved by what you wrote

I was feeling ill and down tonight, and you've fixed me up. We all have wisdom, the point is not only to remember to use it, but to share it with one another when it is needed. Thank you for the timely dose and the hugs. I'm very touched that you put what I wrote on your computer. If we can all be kindled and rekindlers both, then there's little we can't accomplish.

And just look how merh's ripples just keep going.

((((( :grouphug: )))))

I wish we could give our Andy a special delivery of affection and support that he could feel. He and Termite are going through such a challenging time now, with the chemo and radio treatments coming soon and Andy's long illness, pain, worry and major surgery sapping his resilience. He'll come out on the other side of this, but I wish it were an easier experience.

[merh]

114. Oh what colors!

"every individual act of kindness marks two souls: the giver & the receiver"

Thank you for sharing your colors - you have marked my soul. :loveya:

((((((((((((((Human-Kindness Ripple Effect)))))))))))))))))))))

:hug:

[savannahana]

156. the prism

at the heart of merh-ness (:loveya:)
refracts the light
we bring here

and shows us each
the colors we slight,
sleeping, till we sing here

by laws of love
from spirit's forge
our hearts emerge designed

to pitch and catch
truth's frequencies
along souls' deep ley-lines

the beauty and the mystery
of how we go around
meandering the natural

until some frontier's reached:
the limit of "i am" - "i was"
and "will be?" - hangs, unbreached

when sudden heart of crystalline
embodied, brings to ground
the question and its questing ones:

why now? how here? the finder's found
where path and purpose mirror
old lostness lost in light

and rainbows' liberation marks
the way we reckon gold: soul's friend
our map and motive, how to walk

the ley-lines home:
old coat of many colors,
we keep each other warm



:hug: merh & mere merh-ness :hug:


:grouphug: for Andy Stephenson: our brother & friend, healing us as he becomes healed :grouphug:


:grouphug: ((((((( DU Community Prism Ripple Effect ))))))) :grouphug:


ps: what "sense" this makes, if any, i'm not sure :blush:
but posting anyway, in trust & thankfulness, right here :loveya:

[liberalnurse]

110. The whole event was better

than an Andy Rooney/Judy Garland movie!

OOPS....I mean Mickey Rooney......:banghead:

Like this Classic:

Babes on Broadway:

A group of talented youngsters looking for their first Broadway break decide to produce their own show, staging a benefit for an orphanage. First they give a block party to raise money for theater rental, but just as they are about to give their big show, fate throws them a curve - the theater is condemned.....

[EFerrari]

11. I hadn't seen any of these.

:cry:

Thank you, DU.

[helderheid]

14. Thank YOU BEN!

I am so happy Andy is better and I'm honored I could help out!

[Cocoa]

17. so the intended effect wasn't to thank people?

anyway, I'm truly glad Andy is better.

[EFerrari]

19. Oh, it absolutely was. And, we're still dealing with a concerted

political attack.

The greasy malevolent wheel tends to get the grease and the attention, unfortunately.

But, thank you for helping keep us on task and not only reacting to BS.

Hey, I want to see more pix of Andy. Some color! And definitely a pix of the green jello.

:)


/clarity

[merh]

20. It was to thank people and to attempt to satisfy the skeptics.

Apparently some skeptics will NEVER be satisfied. Just seems that they have something inside them, some personal beef, that makes them doubt the legitimacy of Andy's illness.

:-( Sad ain't it! :cry:

[benburch]

21. I think we all know who might have such a personal motive.

And she's not going to win this one.

[Cocoa]

24. there are some people

who are skeptical of both this lady you are referring to, and skeptical of her former partner at the same time.

And at least one of those skeptics has a very long and consistent record of such skepticism, against considerable opposition.

[Name removed]

31. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[EFerrari]

37. I wonder why you chose not to avoid this thread?

Can you answer that?

There is no "taking advantage" or "leeching" here. Mostly, there is a renewed sense of community.

If you can't enjoy that, why trouble yourself?

/typin'

[Malva Zebrina]

42. You can wonder a lot of things

and so can I.

We both have that privilege in the normal course of events.

It is not your concern as to why I choose to post on any one thread or the other.

I am a poster here, and am expressing my thoughts. I am not obliged to have those thoughts be totally congruent with yours. Unless of course, I would be deleted for daring to express that opinion.

[EFerrari]

44. Wow! I asked a question, a real question.

Without disrespect. I think I have an answer.

[Malva Zebrina]

46. Yes you did ask a question

and as such are entitled to do so on these boards.

Others are also entitled to do so, as you are. You see, that is what is called "fair" as I said.

No one here is entitled to be the only one to ask a question. Would you agree?

[EFerrari]

47. Sure. And if we answer each other's questions with questions

lol, the usefulness of our discourse will suffer.

I still don't know why you decided to subject yourself to this thread if this topic upsets you. There are so many others.

:shrug:

[Malva Zebrina]

50. the usefulness of this discourse is mine alone to determine

as I am the one who is expressing my opinion and that opinion does not depend upon your discourse or your approval.

It is not up to you to determine the usefulness of my posts for me. My posts are useful as far as I determine them to be.

[EFerrari]

52. Well, so be it. I find when I make myself the only arbiter

of a discussion, I'm talking to myself.

Whatever ups your pleasure, Malva. :)

[Malva Zebrina]

57. thanks, and I will add , I do not need your permission to do so

We both have the same amount of authority over ourselves. I have no need to have anyone give me permission to do so, as I am sure you do also.

[EFerrari]

60. Sorry? I don't copy that whole control thing?

You've been on DU much longer than I have. And I don't recall claiming any such authority? Maybe you were responding to someone else?

Really, I have no idea what you might mean.

[Malva Zebrina]

62. Well then, just take a relax

I have authority over myself is the point. So do you. Neither has authority over the other.

And that is the end meaning of fair. All that I have said re the fairness of this issue as posted here on DU, is truth.

If there is a thread posted here, all have recourse to answer to it. I did that in expressing my opinion that it should take place on the Burch site if only one opinion is to be accepted. If it is posted here, other opinions should be, out of respect for fairness, should be heard. If that is too hard for the admin to do, then ALL the threads re this issue, should be prohibited.

[EFerrari]

68. I think, at this point, you are going into DU policy.

And, your best bet would be to talk directly to the GD mods or our admins.

[Malva Zebrina]

71. I don't understand

Why is my best bet for expressing my thoughts would be to go to the mods? Or the admin? I have not broken any rules here. I have always found the admin to be rather sober in their judgements. In fact, that was the factor that convinced me to join DU and to contribute when I joined. I admired their approach. Is there some prohibition to expressing a view that is not congruent with yours?

[EFerrari]

73. Again, I really don't understand your focus on me.

Skinner laid out ground rules on this topic.

On of them was that the fraud question had been laid to rest. Did you miss that?

My suggestion was only to take your concerns where they could be best addressed.

I hope that was clear enough for you.

[Malva Zebrina]

75. My concerns were laid out clearly in my first post

and were never focused on you. You know that is not the truth. Go back and look at who I addressed my first post to.

You answered to my post on your own volition. My post was in response to one by Coco.

I think that these issues, now that there is a forum supplied by Burch's site, that it should be taken there in view of the fact that all concerns are prohibited from being expressed here. It is not fair that only one side can be heard here, while others cannot.

I accept that and have not by any means, addressed any issue concerning "fraud". My issue is that only ONE side can be heard here. and it is my contention that that is NOT fair.

Now if it is up to the admin. then perhaps you should leave it all up to them.

[EFerrari]

76. If Skinner laid the false claim of fraud to rest, I'm not understanding

what the "two sides" are.

If you still have a concern, I strongly encourage you to contact a mod or one of the admins.

[Malva Zebrina]

79. I don't know what Skinner laid to rest

I do know that all threads concerning this issue were gone and no more were to be started.

But they are being started.

I encourage you and others to go to Mr. Burch's new site to discuss all of this issue, or to do what ever you need to do, and thereby take the whole thing away from DU.

It has become a blight and has been destructive in many ways.

[EFerrari]

80. I think you've missed the updates.

Skinner did lay this to rest. And far from being a "blight", this effort has become an example of what DU can do, united.

Enough to really disturb the opposition. :)

Again, I suggest that you go to a mod or to an admin because it really does seem as though they have information that you might want.

[Malva Zebrina]

83. I certainly can do that if I decide to do so.

but, I have no reason to do so.

You know, I am not concerned about the "opposition" and I think that is one of the reasons why this thing got so out of control.

You let them, control you.

This obsession with the "opposition" is the reason why this has turned into a paranoid , stressful condition. You, and others, were so concerned with what "they} were saying, even though they were not saying it here, that your efforts seem to have been directed to them, HERE, on DU, instead of going THERE to confront them. I perceive that to be somewhat of a triangulation. and that was NOT fair to DU people who expressed some doubts here.

It was wrong to do that, imo and only contributed to the chaos. It happens often on DU and I think it rather adolescent.

Not everyone here is or was aware of this hateful "opposition". I never was, until I was forced to go to those "opposition" sites to get the information when all threads were shut down here. Except all thread were not shut down, as they continue on. You are wasting time and energy and using those "oppositional" sites to respond to HERE.

That is a waste of time and of energy. The "opposition" was NOT posting here and many of us were hammered, insulted and driven, indeed, to go those sites, in order to get the information. You, actually, drove many to go to the "opposition" sites with the paranoia!!

[EFerrari]

84. I think it would be a good idea for you to take your concerns

to the admins, per Skinner's direction.

[Malva Zebrina]

86. How about we both take our concerns to the admin?

I suggest we do it concurrently. What do you say? You also seem to have some concerns about how we all are to post here. I think we are both protected as far as freedom of speech goes so perhaps we can both together work it out with the admin.

[EFerrari]

88. Freedom of speech? LOL!

No, I've read Skinner's updates.

Which is why I've suggested to you more than once that you read up on them. Can't hurt.

[Malva Zebrina]

89. Freedom of speech is not a joke.

to be laughed at . I take it very seriously. Don't you?

[EFerrari]

90. Sorry. Your escalation of this nonissue was amusing to me.

Once again, per Skinner and also per DU rules, if you have a concern about policy, you need to take it to the admins, not to the board.

[Malva Zebrina]

94. No concern about policy

at all.

I am a poster here, like you. We are equal in that respect. I post my thoughts and opinions as you. We both have a right to do so, provided we stay within the rules.

I still do not see what is funny about freedom of speech.

[EFerrari]

99. Actually, Skinner did put further dispute about this issue

off limits.

And I hope you will afford yourself access to facts via the admins or the mods since you seem to be so adverse to the new site. That may put your concerns to bed. After all, I'm sure that's we what all want.

[merh]

91. Freedom of speech is not a policy of a discussion board

governed by its owners, admins and mods, per the posted rules.

This is a message board, not the USofA. Attacking other posters violates those rules.

You are right, Freedom of Speech is no joke. :patriot:

[yodermon]

92. May I interrupt

Malva, I have only paid tangential attention to the whole Andy Stephenson dust-up here on DU and elsewhere in recent months. You have made clear in your posts on this thread that there is something of concern to you that do NOT feel free to discuss here, and it somehow relates to Andy's critics ("opposition" if you like).

I find this very confusing. I mean that in the most honest sense of the word. I think it is because so much on DU has been censored regarding the "critics".

Could you possibly PM me with some details of this saga? or at least point me to some links (DU or external)? This is sheer curiosity talking here.

thanks
yodermon

[Malva Zebrina]

96. I will PM tommorrow, because I am on the left coast and it is very late

here now. I usually do not stay posting this late. In fact, I am usually asleep by this time!

On edit

I meant to say the right coast. I have been sneered at in subsequent postings down thread for this mistake. I am not afraid, you see, to admit I made a mistake. I think it a badge of character and integrity to do so. It is one of the things I abhor about Bush et al. There is a constant need to spin, to sneer at, to exact revenge, to smear and to discredit someone who has done no harm but who has gone against him.

[EFerrari]

102. It's 8:15 here on the left coast. Forgive us if

we're keeping you up.

Take good care,

Beth

[Malva Zebrina]

103. actually I am in Canada, facing south toward the US, looking down.

therefore, I am the left coast.

[yodermon]

107. thanks for responding.

I am in absolutely no hurry here! At your earliest convenience of course. :hi:

'nite.

[merh]

98. If I may yoderman, please check out the site that is the

subject of the thread you are now in. It provides an explanation.

[yodermon]

104. thanks. n/t

[anitar1]

224. Sounds like attempted disruption. Some just have to do it and

are best ignored. Happens all the time, it seems. Not worth replying to SFEXPAT.

[liberalnurse]

117. Excuse Me......

May I ask a question?....Ahum.....Do you have a boil that needs lancing or what?

[savannahana]

53. lamp oil.

:evilgrin:

[troubleinwinter]

85. Yessss, it is lamp oil.

[savannahana]

95. trim the wicks, trouble :-)

(((chuckling here)))

:hug:

[greatauntoftriplets]

97. Trim then closely....

:D

[Cocoa]

48. I agree, and likewise to you too

but so far I haven't suffered any adverse consequences for posting my sincere feelings about this.

All I've gotten was your supportive post and a polite private inbox discussion with an Andy supporter. No personal attacks, no accusations about my intentions or affiliations.

I think I've hit upon a possible key to how to handle this. Speak your mind, carefully, but make sure also to rise above the personal attacks and most of all no public criticisms of the DU admins, who have been put in an impossible situation and who have handled it pretty well under the circumstances.

[Malva Zebrina]

55. Ageed

I can see the entire picture as you obviously can also.

[EFerrari]

65. Cocoa, we're all entitled to our own feelings but not to our own facts.

And at this point, if you still have concerns, you really should approach Skinner and get some satisfaction.

[Cocoa]

67. I have

Multiple times, and I won't discuss the results of that effort, because it's against the rules.

[EFerrari]

69. Good. I'm sure the admins know what's best for their board. n/t

[Cocoa]

70. I'm in near-total agreement

regardless of whether I approve of any particular decision, I think they're doing what's in the best interest of DU.

I say near-total because I would say "our" board instead of "their."

[EFerrari]

74. Got it. Thanks. n/t

[bettyellen]

130. it's not fair that the Admis shut down ALL discourse about Andy, positve

as well as negative in the week before surgery --when you know that lies posted here contributed to a lengthly delay in his treatment?
not fair that that Skinner himself verified with the hospital that the surgery took place as exactly as described here?
not fair that the Admins would probably delete a post that continued to allege fraud when they have verified none occured?
i wasn't so happy that no one could post anything about Andy myself in that time period, but i understood Skinner needed to do what he had to do. The vicious lies posted here against a fellow DUer had once it was verified what the truth was. But you think that's censorship?
i believe you can say the fundraising was a resounding success or a sloppy slapped together affair. and i guess, if you really want to go there, you can play god and suggest andy should have got surgery at the doctor of your choice, LOL. i've heard that one a few times.
but no, you can't suggest that the surgery for pancreatic cancer wasn't desperately needed or didn't occur. because the admins would know you are spreading lies, and all of DU suffers then.. got it? seems very clear to me.
opinions are opinions and facts are facts. and innuendo is just chicken shit.

[Redstone]

159. Uh, if you don't like the subject of the thread, you could always

just not read it.

Yes?

Redstone

[EFerrari]

39. Anyone who was interested enough saw the same "lady"

sitting at the place that shall not be named, encouraging attacks on Andy while he was on the table.

That's pretty unambiguous.

[EFerrari]

22. The whole thing was meant to push our admins into banning

fundraising. To shut down our projects.

But, they will never do that. Because the admins are smart, because we will work out the kinks.

And, because we were here, and we KNOW what happened. DUers did an amazing thing, not once but twice! And no smear or spawn from Orc can ever take that away from any of us.

:grouphug:

[Bunny]

23. Some people are just going to be turds in the punchbowl, no matter what.

They have so little to look forward to in their miserable lives, it gives them smug comfort to somehow mess up others. What are you gonna do? :shrug:

[liberalnurse]

116. Haven't you heard......

We have entered the Multi-Tasking Generation.:woohoo:

[housewolf]

18. Thanks for doing this for Andy, Ben

What a wonderful friend you are.

:grouphug:

[benburch]

27. Odd thing is...

I did not know Andy at all before this happened, and hardly know him now!

I just cannot let an injustice like the smear artists were doing to him go without a response; They were beating up on a sick guy for asking his friends to help save his life.

[greatauntoftriplets]

29. I've known Andy (and Termite) for several years.

Both are terrific guys and they are devoted to each other.

BTW, my father was from Elgin. He's been gone from there a long time, and most of the relatives from there are gone or scattered. But I can still find the house where he grew up on the occasions that I get out there.

His maternal grandfather was a foreman at the old watch factory. I have a photo taken of him in the factory on the day he retired...it was probably the 1920s, and he died years before I was born. But I treasure the photo.

[benburch]

33. What part of town?

We're on the East Side over by Lords Park.

[greatauntoftriplets]

35. East side.

Park and Porter. Can't quite remember which corner now, but two white houses.

[benburch]

40. About 7 blocks from here. nt

[greatauntoftriplets]

41. I rarely get out there anymore...

and my father has been gone for nearly 13 years.

Usually, I head off in the wrong direction from Liberty Street first and then go back the correct way. It's been nearly four years since the last time I drove past the houses, but I always recognize them.

I was in Elgin a year ago this month for my uncle's burial service (he had lived away from Elgin for about 60-odd years but wanted to be buried there). On the way to the service (Mt. Hope Cemetery chapel), I didn't have time to stop by the houses, and the lunch following was in Barrington, so my intention to visit before returning to Chicago wasn't possible. I well remember being taken to Lord's Park as a kid...also Wing Park, because my grandmother lived on the west side at the time on Perry Street.

[Lars39]

58. My parents and grandfather worked at the watch factory.

Small world! :hi:

[greatauntoftriplets]

82. I also had cousins who worked there.

My mother was from Chicago and she lured my father here.

:hi:

[Lars39]

119. Mine were part of the job exodus from the south.

Dad went on to work at Chicago Rawhide. :)

[greatauntoftriplets]

128. My cousin retired when the factory moved South.

She was old enough to, and not in good physical shape. I'll never forget her house, which was turquoise on the exterior and overstuffed on the inside with more junk than you can imagine. It was on Wellington Street, directly across from the factory. Helen was a widow as long as I knew her, and had a boyfriend named Louie who allgedly lived in the basement.

[Lars39]

133. We left in '71.

I used to live on Laurel Street. :)

[greatauntoftriplets]

134. I always loved going there to visit my grandmother.

Even though she died in 1957, for years we returned at least once a year to tend to the graves -- grandparents and one set of great-grandparents at Mt. Hope, the other great-grandparents at Bluff City.

When I was a kid, my grandmother lived in an old house on Perry Street that had been converted into apartments. Although my family had an old house in Chicago, this was even older and the windows came down almost to the floor. I found that fascinating.

My father grew up at Park and Porter, where his maternal grandfather owned two houses for his extended family.

I have good memories of Elgin.

[Lars39]

135. Our old house was pretty cool.

Lots of places to hide, craftsmanship. Kids' paradise.
They just don't make them like that anymore. :sigh:
Yep, good memories.:)

[greatauntoftriplets]

153. I like houses like that....

Still live in one. It's 93 years old.

[unhappycamper]

25. Nice job. Thank you. n/t

[Kindigger]

26. That is so nice!

I needed a smile today. Thank you "Ballot" :)

[Generic Other]

28. Thanks for posting pics Ben

It's great knowing Andy is on the mend. He'll get better.

Those who tried to smear him will probably never be well.

[benburch]

30. "Well"?

I know I am not a charitable man for this, but I wish rather the opposite on them.

[savannahana]

32. cheering here :-)

& nominated

:toast:

[Just Me]

34. Good!!!

I was so concerned that this endeavor would just generate additional heartache for you all and I didn't want that to happen.

I admire you,...a LOT!!!! :hi: :hug:

[frictionlessO]

36. Love to you Ben and Andy and of course Ballot!!

Shutting those shitheads down, just like I knew you would.

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. Great site, Ben!

I never, ever, ever doubted Andy. Not for one second. Thanks so much for the site.....that's so nice of you to do. :hug: That should make a few people feel just a tad ashamed. I hope.

[Nothing Without Hope]

49. There's Andy, looking pale and ill in his backless hospital - what do

you call those abominable things? - but on it is securely pinned his "Voter-verified paper ballots" in a brilliant orange & black. Is the hat a reference to the Baltimore Orioles? Would be appropriate.

The chemo and radio will be a challenge, but he has heard from his straight-talking doctor that he has a good prognosis. That makes them an ordeal to get through to the other side, not the open-ended acts of desperation they might have been with a different prognosis. I do think that, considering that his good prognosis was brought about by 8 hours of surgery led by the best surgeon in the world for Andy's condition, it's a damn good thing flyarm, sfexpat2000 and the other angels managed the miracle of getting Andy into Johns Hopkins and under his skilled care.

I'm proud to have participated in the act of loving support and compassion that was created from the efforts of so many good-hearted people. I never doubted. I hope that the hurts and suspicions that began with the acts of a few malicious individuals and rippled out to include people who were honest in their concern are healed and eased.

This new site should help that, and it is itself an act of kindness. Thank you for it, Ben. And of course for Andy and Termite - neither of whom I've met but with whom I do feel a sense of connection - my very best wishes for healing, goodness, warm companionship and growth. And lots of laughter with good friends.

To us all: :grouphug:

[EFerrari]

51. Hey, I for one need balancing pics. Andy in the garden,

Andy wearing the Nose. Andy smiling.

It's not like there's we can't get them. Maybe Mr. Photogenic or Termite can help us out. :)

[Nothing Without Hope]

54. Yes, I vote for Andy in the Garden!!!!!! He once wrote that he was

happiest there, and I'd like to see him happy and surrounded by the place he loves.

[EFerrari]

56. I've been taking a break, and Ben has been working like a Trojan.

But, will do our best. Hey, I happiest in the garden, too. That's my motivation :)

Let's see how we do.

:hi:

[Nothing Without Hope]

63. Sounds good to me! Seeing Andy in the sunshine surrounded by

his flowers is something to look forward to. And he does have the most gorgeous smile. It's identical in that adorable baby picture - no mistaking that liettle red-headed imp!

BTW, did you find out if Andy has a VHS player? I picked up some tapes at yard sales with him in mind - two South Park and a Monty Python. He's going to be needing to take it easy for a while. Wish I knew more about his taste in books. (Already sent gardening ones.)

[EFerrari]

72. LOL! Why not PM him? Andy is younger and faster

than I am. :)

[DemReadingDU]

59. Thank you, Ben for the website

and glad Andy is on the mend

[mzmolly]

61. That's fantastic!

:yourock:

[babylonsister]

64. Andy, I am now verklempt! I'm glad you are getting better

and wish nothing but the best! Benburch, you are a good friend; it saddens me you both felt you had to go to these lengths, but I'll add my voice in saying I never doubted Andy for a second. So let the naysayers just shrivel up and head back to their holes. Thanks for the update!

[Eurobabe]

77. really sick that you even had to go that far

to "prove" that Andy was ill. Some people are morons. Get well soon Andy! -48

[benburch]

78. Sadly, there are some who style themselves "Liberals" who are in on it...

And I have MUCH less tolerance for THEM.

"Revenge is a dish best served cold." - Old Klingon Proverb

[warrens]

81. Good for you, Ben

Many thanks. I stayed out of the whole thing because I didn't have the facts, but I saw several people here totally fuck up. Again, thanks for rubbing their noses in their viciousness. Thane

[troubleinwinter]

87. THANK YOU, Ben! So good to see Andy....

but, well, Ballot is definitely WAAAAY cuter than Andy!

Looking forward to some pictures when Andy is feeling a bit more 'on top of it'.

Thanks again, Ben!

[meti57b]

100. I saw it as an attack on a Democratic community helping a member..........

It was devastating to Andy. But it looked to me that the rabid right-wing did not want to see a Democratic community take on a big project like this and succeed.

[Catherine Vincent]

101. Great!

You rock man. A :toast: to you.

[EFerrari]

106. Ben does rock, doesn't he? And we get to see Ballot. lol

:kick:

[Melissa G]

108. Thanks to Ben and All the folks who did such a great job helping

Andy! So glad to see you better, Andy!:loveya:

[Historic NY]

109. Sorry you had to go through this....I never doubted one minute.....

oh those hosptial pictures....you need to get a few of Andy on the mend.

[benburch]

112. Thanks, Guys!

But my role is only as messenger and lightning rod.

[benburch]

113. 1500 views of the site as of now.

The truth is getting out!

[chalky]

115. Wow. From the tone of that earlier dustup, your website is

well and truly needed. I guess negativity will find a way, huh?

On a lighter note--Andy's puppy is adorable. And this:

"How do we know that it's really a puppy?

"The first date that a puppy was mentioned was several weeks ago. Why the delay in getting the puppy? Is it a puppy, or is it a kitten disguised as a puppy? And why does Andy need a puppy? Why couldn't he just get a mutt from the pound? It's elitist to adopt a puppy when mutts are available. Show us the vet's papers to prove it's really Andy's puppy! And show us the puppy's DNA test so we know it's actually a puppy and not a rabbit...."

is hysterical. Great to see you're able to make us laugh in such all-around sad (but now hopeful) circumstances.

Thanks so much for the website. Tell Andy to take care.

[EFerrari]

118. kick

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[benburch]

121. They prefer sitting up to laying down in ICU after abdominal surgery.

Don't know why, but they do.

[benburch]

141. Here is why...

"Altered ventilation, poor secretion
clearance, impaired muscle function
and lung collapse (atelectasis) occur
in the supine position. Respiratory
care includes assisted coughing, deep
breathing and alveolar recruitment
techniques (e.g. CPAP), chest
percussion, postural drainage,
positioning (e.g. sitting up),
bronchodilators, tracheal toilette,
suctioning and tracheostomy care"

From;

http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/content/BPL_Images/Content_store/Sample_chapter/1405106662/LeachChap1.pdf

And you will note they were concerned with his lung function as there is a spirometer on the table in one of the pictures.

[bettyellen]

162. ben, is the spirometer the thingey you blow into and the ball floats?

because our lucky boy got to take one of those home with him to play with.

[benburch]

204. Exactly what it is!

It is for measuring and exercising the lungs.

And they will usually let you take yours home because they are disposable for infection control.

[bettyellen]

omigosh, what happened downthread?

did someone forget to read the rules again?
LOL.
thanks again Ben, I know Andy appreciates your help.
Oh gosh, was that the same fella asking why Andy was sitting up? I had a feeling he was trying to imply something. Gosh, it would be better if they had a clue about this stuff, huh? they don't like honest verifiable answers much, do they?
Betty

[benburch]

212. More freaking freepers.

They are after ME too. But I'm not sick, at least.

[bettyellen]

214. I had a feeling that was not an honest question at all....

about Andy sitting up. LOL. You'd think they'd learn a little about the surgery before they start making up crazy stuff. Plastic surgery, gastritis, LOL. I wish they were right.
Oh heck, I'm sure they hate you for White Rose too, because it's such a great site.

[benburch]

218. They hate me for LOTS of reasons.

One of them is sure I tried to lose him his job with the Commerce Department.

Somehow he makes the leap from an anonymous message to his employer to it being me who sent it. :shrug:

As if he could possibly get fired from an anonymous tip if it were not true!

[bettyellen]

223. well, i'm guessing that means you're doing something right.

:)

[benburch]

226. That's how I see it.

It is important to make good enemies.

[bettyellen]

209. dupe.

[goodboy]

129. .

[benburch]

122. 1700 Site views now. nt

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124. He's feeling kind of low, actually.

This sort of thing is very debilitating.

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126. We all do!

After the end of the month he will be in Chemo and Radiation. That is going to be a tough spell for Andy to get through. I've seen what that is like first hand.

[EFerrari]

127. Kick

:kick:

[Nothing Without Hope]

131. kick for our Andy!

:kick:

[salin]

132. nice site! - and a question

'cause I haven't checked in awhile (the smearers - not the du skeptics - but those carrying on in other places... included Conyer's blog of all places - were so distressing to watch... sickly obsessed and completely unable to wonder if perhaps Andy was really seriously ill and if so - could there be life and death results to their actions (esp the paypal incident)... so the q: how do you know that you have nearly shut down the smear artists? Are they closing down their smear and speculate discussions?

[troubleinwinter]

137. They are grasping at nothing but their own lies

"...the smearers... sickly obsessed and completely unable to wonder if perhaps Andy was really seriously ill"

They don't wonder at all. They know perfectly well how ill he is. They have known for months. They get their disgusting ghoulish jollies from this relentless smear of lies.

Andy is still in pain and recovering, but their sickness is utterly incurable. They seek no cure. Rather, they wallow and roll in their sick obsession like a dog rolls in the reek of something rotten.

[salin]

140. I don't think that i could live

with that level of negative energy consuming me. That picture does pretty much capture what I think that level of hate and anger and pure ability to do serious damage to another human being does to a person, spiritually.

btw - I thought that sight got yanked - is it back up? (ugh!)

[benburch]

136. UPDATE - Timeline posted.

I've put a brief timeline of Andy's illness onto the site.

Much more information coming in a few days.

[benburch]

138. 1900 page views now. nt

[troubleinwinter]

139. Thanks, Ben....

Andy has had a mighty rough row to hoe these months.

I wouldn't wish it on anybody, let alone good guys like Andy and Termite.

[MissWaverly]

142. Thanks for the web site

I think it's great stuff you posted, I hope that it cuts down on the negative attacks that have surrounded this,
Miss Waverly

[benburch]

143. I really hope it does too!

The Trolls are getting desperate, though.

I expect the desperation to increase as the next week or two elapse and we provide enough information to destroy their whole case against Andy.

Not that they (being delusional) will ever give up, but they will be left talking only to each other.

[MissWaverly]

145. it is all so sad

what is really sad, is that Andy is not some 2 dimensional character
who can be destroyed on Level 2 of a ninetendo game, he's a real person
who's been through a lot and this negativity has just increased his burden. Andy stayed with me for almost a month, and he and Termite went to Home Depot and got parts to fix my shower and he is sitting up there in my Baltimore rowhouse bathtub with my shower parts that have not been
dismantled since Jesus walked on earth in the heat of a Balimore summer night and he has a tumor the size of a golf ball inside of him the whole time, and he did not stop until it was fixed. That's the kind of guy that Andy is and meanwhile people just responded to a bunch of he said, she saids and took it upon themselves to take up a crusade against him.
I hope the trolls go back to their gameboys, it's more fun for them and us.

[benburch]

146. Gameboys?

Do they allow those in prison now?

[MissWaverly]

148. don't forget this is the looking glass society

still I would like to see justice served here

[EFerrari]

157. Hi there, Miss Waverly. I hope you've had a chance to rest up

after the Invasion.

My vacum cleaner belt broke and looking at my floor, it looks like Dust Bunnies have a warren around here somewhere.

:hi:

[MissWaverly]

158. yeah, they do get around

Yes, I am okay, things have quieted down, I am in the middle of reading Bob Fitrakis book, Did George Bush steal the 2004 election, well at least we know how it ends. Hope everything is okay for you. I was reading about a comparison of the conservative vs liberal blogs, they say that the liberal blogs are growing because they provide a sense of community, that's what we have here while the conservative blogs are just "shout outs"

[demodonkey]

152. Hi Miss W, from a small town in PA!

:hi:

These trolls are the ones who are SAD; as human beings they can't hold a candle to Andy and they know it... they probably can't even fix a shower half as well, either!

As Andy himself said on here, "Consider the Source".

OTOH, maybe we SHOULD have included the Baltimore skyline in that shot taken in Andy's room... just to prove that it was "really" taken at Johns Hopkins... I am SURE these freep creeps are just SO smart they could easily figure out what street it was taken from and what floor of the building!
:rofl:

[troubleinwinter]

154. Yikes, pardon my manners

I wish to say a 'hello' to Miss Waverly and Demodonkey, and thank you so much for the kindness, generosity and love you showed Andy and Termite when they were in your neck O' the woods, going through all the preparations for hospitalization, surgery and initial recuperation!!!!! Yer gettin' in them pearly gates for sure!

Thank you, from those of us who could not be there.

[MissWaverly]

155. well Andy is doing better now

and they are organizing an effort to get him meals to his door, he's going to make the next step at the end of the month.

[troubleinwinter]

147. No sense bothering

No sense bothering to "provide enough information to destroy their whole case". They have NO case!!!! They say it themselves: they are made-up "allegations" based on nothing but their own revolting jealous juvenile stink. They don't understand anything. It is a complete waste of effort for you to bother evidencing truth... truth is unrecognizable to these trollfreepers.

They prefer to wallow and roll in their sick obsession like a dog rolls in something rotten, and wear the stench of their ghastly "accomplishment" back into their spider den for their disgusting ilk to sniff and rile the pack of hyenas to foray again.

It is the most vile, repellent thing I have ever seen. Let them devour themselves with their fake allegations and reports.

[benburch]

149. The worst part of this vile filth are the so-called "Liberals"

Note that it is from that sector that we receive the worst and most personal attacks against the persons involved in trying to help Andy fend off this attack.

They seem to feel that they can win friends and influence people by "digging up" things about us...

And being idiots, they think that they can use my VERY public sex life as some sort of bludgeon against me or to in some way discredit me with my audience. It's a non-starter, and has backfired on them BIG TIME. I've had a large number of letters pointing out the slanders and asking me if I am OK. And not ONE condemning me. Not one.

I'll clue you guys; If I cared about what people thought of my sexuality, I wouldn't dress in leather and visit leather bars! LOL! And I wouldn't be listed in the colophon of AVN Magazine, either.

[troubleinwinter]

150. They are NOT liberals!

They are NOT liberals! They are lying freeps pretending to be liberals.

Hah! What on earth does your sex life have to do with any of it? What does mine have to do with it? If yours is private or public, it wouldn't seem to have anything to do with Andy's health. They have stooped to talking about your sex life?! Hahahahah!!!!!!! That's funny. I thought they were busy making "allegations" about Andy, not tracking your sex life. That's pretty funny!

Hey, freeps... your ilk like shiny things... drag this mirror into your spider den for the others to see their reflection:

[benburch]

151. Not sure that some are Freeps...

Sociopaths, yes. That I am sure of.

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[benburch]

178. You sure did.

You got a nose for Freeps!

[goodboy]

179. they smell like carrion. like carrion-eating vultures. (nt)

[benburch]

182. Have you ever smelled an aged human corpse?

If so, you'll never forget that smell. We found one once while hiking.

I imagine Freepers must smell like that, could you smell their souls.

[goodboy]

184. ben

they don't have souls.

[benburch]

194. No?

Wow. You're probably right.

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[EFerrari]

170. Geeze, even I'm getting good at this. n/t

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[EFerrari]

181. That's right.

Andy is not sick, I'm a wealthy socialite, lol, John Hopkins is in on it.

Next, you'll be claiming the Dim Son won the election

:rofl:

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[EFerrari]

190. LOL! No, I'm just paranoid. Ask Malva.

According to her, I'm having a hallucination right now!

:rofl:

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[benburch]

198. Whoa! Now I think I'm offended...

You didn't cut me on any of that action! :rofl:

[EFerrari]

202. You're in on it , too!

Sorry!

:rofl:

[flyarm]

161. THANK YOU BEN!! AND HUGS TO ANDY!!AND A SONG FOR YOU ALL!!

THANK YOU BEN.........


FOR ANDY AND YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!

You're The Top
Ethel Merman
Words and music by Cole Porter.
Introduced by Ethel Merman and William Gaxton in the musical "Anything
Goes."
Sung by Miss Merman and Bing Crosby in the first film version in 1936 and
by Crosby, Mitzi Gaynor, Donald O'Connor and Jeanmarie in the second film
version in 1956.
Sung by Ginny Simms and Cary Grant in the 1946 film "Night and Day."

(Verse 1)
At words poetic, I'm so pathetic
That I always have found it best,
Instead of getting 'em off my chest,
To let 'em rest unexpressed.
I hate parading my serenading
As I'll probably miss a bar,
But if this ditty is not so pretty,
At least it'll tell you how great you are.

(chorus 1)
You're the top! You're the Colosseum,
You're the top! You're the Louvre Museum,
You're a melody from a symphony by Strauss,
You're a Bendel bonnet, a Shakespeart sonnet,
You're Mickey Mouse.
You're the Nile, You're the Tow'r of Pisa,
You're the smile on the Mona Lisa.
I'm a worthless check, a total wreck, a flop,
But if, Baby, I'm the bottom,
You're the top
(verse 2)
Your words poetic are not pathetic
On the other hand, boy, you shine
And I can feel after every line
A thrill divine down my spine.
Now gifted humans like Vincent Youmans
Might think that your song is bad,
But for a person who's just rehearsin'
Well I gotta say this my lad:

(chorus 2)
You're the top! You're Mahatma Ghandi.
You're the top! You're Napolean brandy.
You're the purple light of a summer night in Spain,
You're the National Gall'ry, You're Garbo's sal'ry,
You're cellophane.
You're sublime, You're a turkey dinner.
You're the time of the Derby winner.
I'm a toy balloon that is fated soon to pop.
But if, Baby, I'm the bottom,
You're the top!

(chorus 3)
You're the top! You're a Ritz hot toddy.
You're the top! You're a Brewster body.
You're the boats that glide on the sleepy Zuider Zee,
You're a Nathan Panning, You're Bishop Manning,
You're broccoli.
You're a prize, You're a night at Coney,
You're the eyes of Irene Bordoni,
I'm a broken doll, a fol-de-rol, a blop,
But if, Baby, I'm the bottom,
You're the top.

(chorus 4)
You're the top! You're an Arrow collar.
You're the top! You're a Coolidge dollar.
You're the nimble tread of the feet of Fred Astaire,
You're an O'Neill drama, You're Whistler's mama,
You're Camembert.
You're a rose, You're Inferno's Dante,
You're the nost of the great Durante.
I'm just in the way, as the French would say
"De trop,"
But if, Baby, I'm the bottom,
You're the top.

(chorus 5)
You're the top! You're a Waldorf salad.
You're the top! You're a Berlin ballad.
You're a baby grand of a lady and a gent.
You're an old dutch master, You're Mrs. Aster,
You're Pepsodent.
You're romance, You're the steppes of Russia,
You're the pants on a Roxy usher.
I'm a lazy lout that's just about to stop,
But if Baby, I'm the bottom,
You're the top!

(chorus 6)
You're the top! You're a dance in Bali.
You're the top! You're a hot tamale.
You're an angel, you simply too, too, too diveen,
You're a Botticelli, You're Keats, You're Shelley,
You're Ovaltine.
You're a boon, You're the dam at Boulder,
You're the moon over Mae West's shoulder.
I'm a nominee of the G.O.P. or GOP,
But if, Baby, I'm the bottom,
You're the top!

(chorus 7)
You're the top! You're the Tower of Babel.
You're the top! You're the Whitney Stable.
By thje River Rhine, You're a sturdy stein of beer,
You're a dress from Saks's, You're next year's taxes,'
You're stratosphere.
You're my thoist, You're a Drumstick Lipstick,
You're da foist in da Irish svipstick,
I'm a frightened frog that can find no log to hop,
But if, Baby, I'm the bottom,
You're the top!

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[goodboy]

167. Franksolich? (nt)

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171. huh? are you deaf? (nt)

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[demodonkey]

168. You don't make ME nervous, Al...

...you make me laugh. I know the truth.

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180. Doesn't make me nervous.

But does make me sick. :puke:

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[bettyellen]

211. i see your hair in one of those hospital photos!

[demodonkey]

219. LOL... that would be me...

...be careful talking about the hair though, LOL, the next thing THEY'll realize that we REALLY all went there for hair transplants... I always wanted to be a redhead like Andy!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[goodboy]

225. what proof do you have it was really her hair? do you have a sample

that FR could independently verify? If not, this is a fraud. They don't allow hair in the ICU. They don't allow visitors at Hopkins. That's a fact. So Andy could not have been at hopkins if she was there.

:rofl:

[flyarm]

199. AHH DID YOU GET THAT MEDICAL DEGREE FROM GOOGLE U?

tell me..what does one take to eat after pancratic cancer surgery??

and do you have your degree in mini whipple..do you have the vaguest clue that with the mini whipple performed at jh ..the stomach is not touched??????????????????????????????????????

yeah i know..the google medical school...pathetic!!

[benburch]

193. Thanks flyarm!

You rock! :-)

[demodonkey]

205. Hi there Fly! GREAT to see ya'...

:hi:

You DO rock!

[troubleinwinter]

206. Oh, fly, well, it was lovely.

You know how much I enjoy your singing.

[flyarm]

230. hi ya'll!!...just stopping by for a second...

seems i don't have as much time on my hands as the nut cases who pose as doctors or experts in surgeries and pancreatic cancer...been real busy...but wanted to say..hi!! and thank you all for being such wonderful , kind , and caring human beings!! i am proud to know you all!!

and for the lurkers who "think" they know it all about andy's surgery..well i would have had pity for them at one time..pity that they "think" they know what went on in the hospital , and they " think" they know how people react after a surgery deemed ..the whopper of all surgeries...well they know nothing!!..they know less than nothing...they are blow hard b.s. artists... now ..I think they are a dying pond scum!!

but for those of you who cared so much and put yourself out there..i am damn proud to know ya!!...you are what i used to know as "real " americans...and i salute you...you know who you all are..everyone of you who put your heart on your sleave and helped another american who needed help!

i thought thats who we were as "Americans"..i thought that came naturally..i guess i was very wrong!

[benburch]

183. 2100 page views to date! nt

[EFerrari]

188. Great! Make sure we have earplugs in the vestibule in case

fly makes this singing thing a habit.

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[EFerrari]

196. LOL!

I'm so hurt. I'm weeping. On the floor.

:rofl:

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[EFerrari]

201. If it makes you happy, Al

we won't stop you.

:hi:

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[EFerrari]

203. Thanks, mods. n/t

[goodboy]

208. Yeah thanks a lot. (nt)

[bettyellen]

210. what the hell was that? newbie driveby, i hope!

[EFerrari]

213. Hey, bettyellen! It's good to see you.

:)

[bettyellen]

215. Same here, darling!

i cannot believe these morans. i guess you're used to it, huh?

[EFerrari]

217. I'm married to someone who makes his living dealing with

hecklers. You could say, I'm used to it. :)

[goodboy]

216. it was

someone from the scummy.com site "paypalandy"

[bettyellen]

222. must be jealous that no one ever cared for them.....

:nopity:

[benburch]

229. And nobody is ever likely to...

with attitudes like that!

[flyarm]

220. heyy betty ellen!!..i just wonder

how truely empty some of these peoples lives are??

amazing really...i would say pitiful..but its beyond that..obsessive??..sick??demented??..i just dont get where these so called humans get the time for all this crap...

what sorry empty lives they must have!!

anyway..hiya bettyellen! how ya doing??

[bettyellen]

221. i'm good now that the weather's broke a little.

NY doesn't smell so great when it's 90 degrees and there's no breeze!
yeah, and ditto on these freaks, my gosh, they just keep getting new email accounts, and trying again and again. Jeeze, who do they think they're fooling?

[EFerrari]

207. For the record, Doug says he's not have quality phone time

with Repulicans.

LOL!

[benburch]

227. 2200 Page views now. nt

[Moderator]

231. Locking.....

This thread has run its course.


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