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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:49 AM
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Chirac up NOW!
This should be interesting.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:50 AM
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1. WITHOUT NAMING NAMES
He is trashing BUSH! wahooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:51 AM
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2. rude that Bush didn't stay...
Bush asks for help and then books it out of there... Disrespectful...
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:52 AM
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4. He doesn't care what they think
arrogant moron that he is

I'm so embarrassed for my country
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:05 AM
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23. And cowardly. Come to think of it, that pretty
much sums up W. if you add arrogant and ignorant to the description.
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:21 PM
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45. Yep
UN building, air traffic, contanimated air from the WTC collapse and millions of New Yorkers wanting an answer about THAT!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:51 AM
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3. Ooops, I smell another Bush spanking going on!
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 10:53 AM by rocknation
rocknation
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:52 AM
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5. Talking about the importance and effectiveness of multilateralism
Now this sounds like a statesman.
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:56 AM
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9. statesman indeed..
Even in French he presents a better image of a leader... He still wants inspectors to go there...he talks of Korea...Iran... What did Bush talk of?? Kids being vaccinated and girls being sold as sexslaves...hmmm....
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:02 AM
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21. Oh Yeah...Forgot All About N. Korea
that's my Bush! so forgetful sometimes. then again, when i get to thinking about sex slaves, i tend to lose myself as well.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:52 AM
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6. He blasted unilaterism in the first 2 minutes.
Hammering away for multilaterism
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Spentastic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:53 AM
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7. Selling out
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 10:54 AM by Spentastic
Here we go..... The U.N appear to have been cowed
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:54 AM
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8. Do not succumb to a show of might...
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 10:55 AM by rocknation
We reject the policy of fait accompli...

Sacre bleu!
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:57 AM
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11. asking Korea and Iran to dump their Nuke programs?
How about asking the US and Israel to dump theirs..?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:56 AM
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10. Chirac wants a plan...
to permit sovereignty for the Iraqi people and to allow elections. He says US should maintain control of security.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:59 AM
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13. Chirac cant believe for a second that the US corporations and BFEE
will give up their contracts and oil..
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:58 AM
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12. CNN CUT HIM OFF
Ah ah ah speechless.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:59 AM
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14. Why, of course
He's FRENCH!!! What do those cheese-eating surrender monkeys know anyway?
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:59 AM
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15. That is why Im watching C Span
! the hell with the mediawhores
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:00 AM
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17. CSPAN bro
that's where the action's at!

ps did'nt you turn CNN off? :P
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:01 AM
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20. I turned it back on like a Jackass
to catch Chirac.

On C-SPAN now.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:00 AM
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18. No cable here...
what on earth are they showing instead?

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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:04 AM
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22. There's a link
on CSPAN that allows you to watch it live on your desktop. I'm at work and that's how I'm watching it. Funny, haven't gotten much work done.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:05 AM
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26. I meant what is CNN showing instead.
I'm being a bad State employee and watching on C-SPAN on the net. :-)

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:07 AM
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28. Here's the link
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:01 AM
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19. you know ...
When I was growing up, I learned that people in the iron curtain countries weren't allowed to hear the viewpoints of the democratic west, especially the USA.

Thankfully, it's the other way around for us.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:07 AM
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29. Isn't Paula Zahn more influential than Chirac anyway?
I just loved her breathless comment, "I wish I could be at those bilateral talks this afternoon!". I though she might swoon.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:19 AM
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36. Wow. That says a lot about CNN. Chirac's speech struck gold.
It was eloquent, mature, detailed, compassionate, and hopeful.

CNN is Pravda.

Do try to listen to Chirac's speech on audiofile. It was truly eloquent, and spoken in a positive unfearful tone that Americans have grown so unaccustomed to.

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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:29 AM
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38. Why let him deliver the message himself
...when our press will gladly slice his words up and serve them to us a-spinning, replete with omissions and inappropriate juxtapositions?

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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:59 AM
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16. Security council reform
provocative
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:05 AM
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24. Basically he said it is simply not acceptable to act unilaterally...
As if one person has the answers to all the problems...
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:05 AM
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25. Much louder applause then the Shrub got!
!
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:10 AM
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32. thank you Mari for answering my question
i phased out and did other things when Bush came on and i didn't notice applause

but when Chirac finished his "Let us establish this global democracy, so vital in our day and age" i heard a burst of sustained applause and wondered to myself, Did anybody even clap for Bush?

It is clear that Chirac represents the majority opinion of all nations


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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:06 AM
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27. I was impressed with Chirac
I think his approach is the way to create a saner, better world. Was it just me or was his applause louder and longer than for Bush?
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:07 AM
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30. The applause was definitely louder and longer. *'s was "polite"
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:08 AM
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31. WOW! what a great speech....wish he was our president instead of chimpo
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 11:12 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
elequent and compassionate towards ALL humankind....chimp is a prick and a RUDE MORAN!!!!!
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:15 AM
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35. I agree, Chirac's speech was a keeper
Makes Chimpy look like an adolescent.

Joe Biden was very critical of France on the Today Show yesterday. What's his problem? He'd better either get on board with fixing this mess the US started and stop pandering to the rightwing agenda, or retire.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:12 AM
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33. An excellent speech--full of hope and glory
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 11:37 AM by lebkuchen
as opposed to Bush's incessant doom and gloom.

JFK couldn't have done better. I have the impression Chirac wrote this speech himself and feels passionately about the words, while Bush was simply parroting what his handlers were mandating him to say.

Chirac reprimanded Bush as a parent would a child: unilateral temper tantrums are not in the world's best interest.

Go France!

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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:20 AM
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37. Did he really say unilateral temper tantrum? That is tooo
funny.
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:36 AM
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40. No, that was my interpretation.
Chirac was very diplomatic, and said, essentially, that we have no civilization, no peace, if UN members don't themselves abide by their own written laws. He back-handed Bush for his unilateral approach-- which has brought disaster upon the U.S., and perhaps the world.
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ignatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:41 AM
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41. Thanks for the update, although I still like
your interpretation.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:49 AM
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43. the interpreter did a very good job rendering Chirac's emphasis and
intonation the way he places them

these are very much his words
i'm sure Chirac wrote the speech himself
he is after all a professional homme d'etat

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BonjourUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 02:25 PM
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46. I don't imagine Chirac not writing his speech himself
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 02:26 PM by BonjourUSA
Especially in this circumstances !

Our politicians are used to write their speeches themselves except for some local ones. Or when they have several speeches in a short time, they write the most important.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:14 AM
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34. "culture of confrontation must give way to a culture of action"
he said

and then went on talk about reforming the UN to give the Sec Council a face-lift

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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:33 AM
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39. A civilized way of approaching problems, don't you think?
I can't say enough about Chirac's speech. It was so heartening.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:44 AM
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42. None of the networks, cable or other carried the whole speech. Only Cspan
What a country we live in. shameful.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:04 PM
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44. Of course they didn't
We can't infect viewers' minds with opposing viewpoints. Our fuhrer's way is the only way.
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