Fitrakis: Blackwell had direct access to central tabulator!

[helderheid]

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AtLiberty (527 posts) Sun Jun-19-05 01:03 AM
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Fitrakis: Blackwell had direct access to central tabulator!
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 01:04 AM by AtLiberty

Bob Fitrakis was on The Laura Flanders Show on Air America Radio a few minutes ago...

He stated that he's recently learned from a subcontractor/installer of Diebold that Blackwell had direct access to the central tabulator in Ohio from his office and could alter results...

He told Flanders that this was the first time he was revealing this tidbit, which he learned after his book was published.

[thecrow]

1. OMFG!!!!

What will we learn next?
This is EXPLOSIVE!!

[Snotcicles]

83. ATTENTION KERRY and CONYERS n/t

[cally]

2. Did anyone else hear this?

and how can someone prove this?

[xray s]

3. This election was stolen by extreme rightwing fundementalists

They stole it without any guilt because they were doing it for Jesus.

I am convinced of this. They are a fanatical cult. And they are in positions of power. A bad combination.

[frictionlessO]

4. Dumbfounded does not describe my emotions!! Nomination worthy!!

Thanks Helder!!

[Cleita]

5. I heard him say that.

The subcontractor/installer he got the information from has to remain anonymous, so it gets down to a he said and he said situation. We need to get some tangible proof. It would be so damning.

[LightningFlash]

6. Same thing was revealed on the Bradshow.

Also revealed in the official documents...

Howard Dean needs to get lawyers in there with Fitrakis help to reveal the source, or at least his unofficial pen name. It's time to get that evidence right where it belongs......To prove with undoubtability, the 2004 election was most likely stolen.

Sing it on the same day as DSM.

[bleever]

7. Rec'd and kicked and thank you very much.

Pretty good Saturday for news. :)

[LeahD]

8. Gee...wonder why Kerry lost Ohio? n/t

[oldtime dfl_er]

129. the stink coming out of Ohio was pretty strong on election day

this is just one more smelly fish to throw in the kettle.

http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby/665903

[dave502d]

9. Blackwell did it for power and money. n/t

[shraby]

10. I wonder how many other Republican Sec. of State

had access to their central tabulator?

[glitch]

12. Very good question! nt

[Auntie Bush]

25. How about Florida's SoS ? Did they have these machines in 2000?

Kathlean Harris comes to mind. Wouldn't put it past them to have tested it out in 2000.

[LeahD]

63. Blackwell - Bush' secret weapon in 2000

And let's not forget that he was "an electoral expert" for the Bush Campaign in 2000.


http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2005/1074

The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported on November 16, 2000 that “while waiting for the court decisions Blackwell joined the Bush ‘spin team’ making the rounds of cable, national network television and radio broadcast tents.”

The Cincinnati Enquirer also records Blackwell’s role in Bush’s 2000 Florida election. “Mr. Blackwell popped up in West Palm Beach on Wednesday, as an electoral expert for the Bush campaign,” the paper reported on November 19, 2000.

The Columbus Dispatch was even more direct in terms of Blackwell’s role in the 2000 Florida election debacle, “Like a secret weapon moved to the battlefront, the Bush campaign yesterday dispatched its ‘principal electoral system advisor’ to ground zero of the Flordia vote brouhaha …Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell.”

[AuntiBush]

133. Well, Kathleen Harris Announced Last Week She's Running for the Senate

Yeah. It should have just mentioned when she would be taking her seat. A real shoe-in. Favors. They must have a hard time keeping up with all those favors owed.

[helderheid]

136. between her rules and the voting machines

let's welcome Senator Harris :puke:

[AuntiBush]

144. Puke is right! She's Part of 1 Country Under A Bunch of Thieves!

[helderheid]

145. she makes me sick - have you seen this flash?

http://www.ericblumrich.com/gta.html

MUST see.

[AuntiBush]

147. O.M.G. Shew... Worse then I Ever Imagined.

Wow... thanks helderheid. Shew. Bookmarked to show others.

Everyone: GO to the link helderheid provided:
http://www.ericblumrich.com/gta.html

It will blow. your. mind...! She should be imprison!
Oh, I feel sick. Didn't realize she's already there.

Senate is next according to News reports last week. Ugh...
How do these so-called Christian Right-Wings advocate these criminals?

:banghead:

[Helga Scow Stern]

50. Or even some Democrats, given the behavior of Gov. Richardson of NM.

Richardson, even though a Dem, erased the results of the election before an audit could take place, even though a lawsuit was pending, which alledgedly made it illegal to do so.

Sam Reed of Washington was a decent Republican SoS, too, we mustn't forget.

Now we have lost our good Dem SoS in California and Diebold is fast making inroads into the state.

[AntiCoup2K4]

60. The difference between Sam Reed and the Harris/Blackwell types

Actually Sam Reed IS a moderate Republican who hates the extremists in his party almost as much as we do. Maybe more after what the Sore Lossi Rossiman fiasco dragged him through. But the real difference here in Washington is that our SOS is an elected official in his or her own right, and accountable for his/her own actions when the next election day rolls around.

Harris and Blackwell were appointed by corrupt governors, and probably for the express purpose of election fraud. Not coincidentally, Blackwell and Harris were also both the state chairs of the Bush/Cheney campaigns, which is a blatant conflict of interest.

An elected SOS in every state would be the best thing (aside from dispensing with electro-fraud machines themselves) that could be done to insure legal elections.

[DoYouEverWonder]

68. Actually, Katherine Harris was elected SOS

the law wasn't changed in FL until after the 2000 election. Now Jeb gets to pick the SOS. Of course the current SOS, Glenda Hood is a total Bu$hbot.

[ebayfool]

76. Wonder - it's driving me crazy so I gotta ask ...4 lights? Your sig?

I obsess easily, please - put me out of my misery (curiosity)! LOL
What does it mean?

[ldf]

102. i believe it is a reference to either a star trek NG, or babylon 5

episode.

either pickard or sheriden is being tortured. the torturers are showing the victim four lights, saying there are five. the victim has succumbed to their brainwashing when the victim agrees that there are in deed five lights, when there are still only four.

excellent episode.

an aside, babylon 5 is the best science fiction series EVER. it's not cheap but you must buy/rent from the beginning two hour movie and watch the entire 5 years of episodes. it is the grandest, most awesome plot line i've ever seen. (best seen in several episodes at a sitting.)

B5 :thumbsup:

[porkrind]

130. Sounds like it was taken from Orwell's "1984"

Where Winston is being tortured by O'Brien and finally believes he sees five fingers when O'Brien is only holding up four.

[ebayfool]

138. Thanks for the relief_LOL!

That makes sense as a DU sig, & fitting for the times. I've got most of the B5 shows on tape, but the reference totally escaped me. You're right, one of the best shows ever!

Now I can quit trippin' every time I come across the poster's sig!

(gotta learn to quit going off on tangents so easy ... focus, focus! LOL)

[DoYouEverWonder]

69. Dupe post

Please delete

[FreedomAngel82]

89. I think so too

That way the SOS wouldn't have to be so loyal to the governor. Of course people like Arnold wouldn't like that. The SOS works for the state and not the governor, so why shouldn't he/she be elected?

[biscotti]

11. Also the video

Of Peter King (R) New York on election day with * in Ohio. He says "We'll take care of the counting". Scroll down to Peter King's picture and click to watch about a 20 second video.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/2004votefraud.html

[helderheid]

31. that very clip was incorporated into this must see video

created by DUers !!

http://velvetrevolution.us/Content/ElectoralReform/Video/Illegit_Election_2004-20-256.wmv

[FredStembottom]

13. They dropped even weider stuff at the end.....

That several other groups had direct access. Help me out here folks but weren't they

The IRS
The Selective Service Admin
The Ohio State Troopers

:wtf:

Why that weird assortment of agencies??????? Or does that make (evil) sense in some way I am over-looking?

[Pharaoh]

14. where is the audio/video of blackwells statement?

[FreedomAngel82]

90. You can check out

some good video's at http://www.votecobb.org

[LeahD]

15. keeping this kicked. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. Who is Fitrakis?????

Should I know who he is?

[LeahD]

27. Yes, kinda sorta....unless you didn't follow Ohio's fraudulent election.

Among other things, he's a political science prof, journalist, and he passionately testified at Conyer's hearing about the election "irregularities." You can read his bio at:

http://freepress.org/columns.php?strFunc=display&strAuthor=3

"Fitrakis was an Election Protection attorney on November 2, 2004 in Franklin County. He called the first public hearings on voter suppression and election irregularities and was one of four attorneys to file a challenge to Ohio's presidential elections results: Moss v. Bush and Moss v. Moye"


Go to www.freepress.org to read articles he's written.

[in_cog_ni_to]

70. I watched the entire Conyers hearing on vote fraud.

The name, Fitrakis, just didn't stick with me. Hmmm. I really AM losing my mind! I know who he is now...Thanks!

[garybeck]

61. yes you should

he was one of the lawyers who tried to prevent Ohio from certifying its electors, and accused Blackwell of stealing the election.

[AAARRRGGGHHH]

17. The Kick is up ...

AND IT'S GOOD!!:kick:

[goclark]

19. More info needed from this angel!

This would be wonderful wonderful news.

We could have told the world that on election night.
Leg Irons for Blackwell.

[Unforgiven]

18. Kick it Up!!!

[Melissa G]

20. BIG FRICKIN" KICK

[Botany]

21. Hello!

and I expect the media to cover this when?

[Unforgiven]

22. It just did

we ARE the media!!!!!!

[Botany]

23. Yes but until this gets to the TV it will not matter

I live in Columbus, OH too.

[Unforgiven]

24. Yes

and when I saw Conyers on CNN this afternoon discussing DSM and the comentator placing * in question I almost threw a clot!!!
Never thought I would see It!

So

Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat anywhere you can, everywhere you can.

[Botany]

32. Well we might want to write to Kenny and ask him about this.

Mr. Blackwell has moved his office from Bethel Rd in Columbus to

Ohioans for Blackwell
172 E State Street
Columbus, OH 43215
p/614.221.8552
f/614.224.6926
[e-mail]

So once again I beg all member of DU not to fill his mailbox w/ junk mail,
nickels, glitter, and letters about him stealing the election. Also do NOT COPY
THIS INFORMATION and send it out to everybody you know because that might
suppress his chances.

Also do not kick this thread and or add your own creative ideas to let him know
how much he is loved.

BTW the last effort was so effective that he shut down that office.

[annabanana]

39. hmph.. I just sent him a note

It basically says "we know who you are and we know what you did" and that eventually the chickens would come home to roost.
(and a copy of that cute little Peter King clip)

[Auntie Bush]

26. I wonder if it will take as long as the DSM? We have work to do!

[Jackpine Radical]

28. We has met the media

...and it are us.

[Unforgiven]

29. Uh Huh!

[NJCher]

36. terrific graphic, Jackpine

Cher

[Jackpine Radical]

37. I thought it was a great graphic too.

That's why I stole it.

[Catherine Vincent]

30. The only way a guy like Bush** could get in the WH is to steal it!

But we knew that.

[Unforgiven]

33. TWICE!!!!!!!!!!

and on edit:

I have to wonder if Jeb did the same thing to McBride during that race!!!!!!!!!

[Melodybe]

34. Kick! Big Fucking Kick!

We knew they stole it, as Conyers said from Ohio to Downing Street, Du was there when it mattered.

[LightningFlash]

35. But before being the reporters....

We need to get all the official facts of the case, including getting a lawyer in Ohio to get Fitrakis to reveal the name of this source and the state troopers. Then put them under protection.

[Jackpine Radical]

38. That's WHILE being reporters.

That's what reporters do. That'sw why it's so frustrating watching all these clowns pretending to be reporters. They don't seem to have a clue about how to work a story. Shit, any reporter worth her salt could spend a week on DU & come up with enough leads to do a dozen hot stories.

[Burried News]

40. They might be safer in Iraq.

I have not allowed myself to believe Bush stole all of Ohio, some of the precincts, yes but not all of it. If this story can be proven I don't see how anyone worthy of the title "rational human being" could be against impeachment.:(

[helderheid]

43. I agree

I'm hunting down an archive of tonight's show - in the meantime, he apparently made the same statement on brad blog's radio show:

http://www.bradshow.com/Archives/BradShow_061105_Hour2.mp3

edited for direct link to portion of the radio show

[ellenfl]

53. my thoughts exactly! eom

[Beam Me Up]

64. Yeah, but do you really think he is SMART ENOUGH to pull something

like that off? I mean, by himself? I don't.

He had help, a lot of it. There are some very powerful people who wanted that toad in the White House for some very treacherous reasons.

[Warren DeMontague]

41. Are you trying to say you don't trust Ken Blackwell?

:o

[helderheid]

42. Hahahah

:rofl:

[Karenina]

44. OH???

:eyes:

[helderheid]

45. mind blowing that the guy who stole 2000 and lied us into a war

among countless other lies might possibly have the SOS who happens to be the head of the re-elect Bush/Cheney campaign steal him another one, right?


:eyes: right back atcha

[alfredo]

46. What remedy would there be if it is found that the election was

rigged. Will bush be removed and Kerry sworn in, or will there be a special election? Would the presidency be passed on to the next person in the line of succession?

[helderheid]

47. Bush has been elected from what I understand

because he's been sworn in. Impeach, Impeach, Impeach.

[aresef]

48. Don't hold your breath

I hate to be a pessimist, but last time, just like this time, he stole the election and walked a way with a self-declared mandate, and his sheep echoed him.

[helderheid]

52. This is only one piece of the puzzle

That's why DUers must continue to pursue Coingate (which has something to do with the stolen election, particularly in Ohio)

http://www.commoncause.org/site/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=810579&en=jmIPJaM2IhLYJhOPLcJTL9O2KnITIbO2LrK1JlNaIAK

http://www.commoncause.org/atf/cf/{FB3C17E2-CDD1-4DF6-92BE-BD4429893665}/MAP_COINS_SMALL.GIF

As well as DSM - this cartoon was printed in today's Salt Lake Tribune:

(can't find it on the web tonight - but it's Bush and a sign above him that says "Bad Paper Cut" and features the Downing Street Memo).

Things are CHANGING.

[helderheid]

78. Found the cartoon DSM in Salt Lake Tribune yesterday

[alfredo]

80. It is not time for pessimism. The media is starting to come around,

his own party is backing off, and the opposition party has found its voice.

To battle any pessimism, get involved. Get out there and work in defense of the constitution, get out there and get involved against the war. Get out there and fight to make your community a better place to live. Become a citizen.

[Ravy]

56. I don't believe there is a remedy, you do not vote for the president.

You vote for electors from your state, who then elect the president. The electors were certified before they voted by the House of Representatives.

Not to say it shouldnt be exposed, or doesn't matter anymore. It does. If this was proven to have happened, then the groundswell against anything republican would last for a long time to come.

[FreedomAngel82]

92. According to the Constiution

if it's proven the election was stolen the person who was first sworn in has to be booted out and the rightful winner placed in. All we have to do is show Kerry indeed won. What about Dean's election announcement?

[helderheid]

94. REALLY????

OMG President Kerry could be sworn in????

[nickgutierrez]

49. If this is true... then it is our smoking gun.

Blackwell + access to tabulator = stolen election. Period.

[unblock]

51. remember, blackwell doubled as bush-cheney campaign head

he wasn't just the secretary of state. he also was the chairman of the republican presidential campaign for ohio.

saying the secretary of state had access to the central tabulator, in a system where the secretary of state is responsible for the proper conduct of the election, is one thing.

saying the head of one of the political campaigns, who sole mission is to deliver the state to his side, had access to the central tabulator is something else entirely.

[LeahD]

54. Blackwell on election night from FreePress article, April 2005

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2005/1116


A Free Press reporter was present when Professor Robert Destro, Dean of Columbus School of Law at Catholic University of America detailed Blackwell’s Election Day activities at a Lenten presentation. Destro, who claimed to be in the Secretary of State’s office election night, described Blackwell as “panicky.” He told the audience that Blackwell believed early in the evening that Bush was losing Ohio. Figuring Bush had lost the city of Cleveland, Blackwell “began to plot out with colored magic markers possible voter turnout in suburban counties.”

Destro relayed the story as a supporter of Blackwell, yet never questioned why Ohio’s top election officer would be focusing his energies on Election Day towards getting President Bush elected, while chaos reigned throughout Ohio’s inner city polling places.

In March 2004, Blackwell had issued a release celebrating the fact that the Secretary of State’s office for the first time had the capacity for instant data exchange with the county boards of elections
*******************************************************************
And this was also in the article. I assume Blackwell made this announcement in 2005.

"Blackwell recently announced that the partisan Republican firm Diebold, run by one of Bush’s major donors, CEO Wally O’Dell, will get an unbid contract for all of Ohio’s voting machines."

[helderheid]

55. damn that stinks!

to high heaven!

[LeahD]

59. But I'm quite certain he believes in ethical behavior, because

he developed a business and political ethics guide, "Uncommon Sense," and he discussed ethics with students at a Christian college in 2002.
:sarcasm:

http://www.ncnnews.org/archive/usacannews0204.html

Students participating in the initiative are asked to commit to uphold 20 values identified in the guide as critical to ethical character development. Among those values are integrity, compassion, justice, accountability, fidelity, respect, servant-leadership, forgiveness, transformation, stewardship, and a commitment to seek wisdom. Said Blackwell, "Character is the cornerstone of American citizenship. And good citizenship is the foundation of community. It is also the foundation of both good business and good government. Noble visions, worthy missions and guiding values all require and are validated by character ethics. Thus a strong character foundation is and always will be the key predictor of true personal health, interpersonal vitality and organizational success.

[FreedomAngel82]

95. Of course!

Don't forget the "terror alert" so during that when nobody else was allowed inside they could switch the votes for the area's that Blackwell pointed out.

[Liberal In Texas]

57. What are we living in, a Banana Republic?

You know even if it's proven he had access, they're going to say that he is a real honest guy and didn't change anything.

Spin spin spin.

[Alizaryn]

58. I wish we could get some proof to crack this.

If would be a shame to have the only solution be for us to find a way to out hack them.

[TrogL]

62. This is a systems security nightmare

I do this stuff for a living.

NOBODY should be allowed to touch the raw data, never mind somebody who could benefit from it.

[tex-wyo-dem]

65. I hear you there TrogL...

Although I don't work in systems security directly, I do work on hardware design and work with software designers who work on security encryption for mobile systems.

This has been my biggest contention with the whole argument regarding DREs and computer tabulators...if the system is not secure to the utmost degree the open door for hackers (including someone like Blackwell) to enter such as system in and of itself puts the whole election process in question and, thus, our democracy.

[leftchick]

74. and don't forget chimpy's last minute visit with Blackwell

I believe it was the day before the election. :grr:

[helderheid]

77. remember too

the voting location locked down temporarily for a "terror threat"?

[FreedomAngel82]

96. And what about

the weird video?? What was up with that? Do you think that was a signal or something? And then there's the photo of Rove at a laptop smiling and stuff. And Jeff Gannon was also there that night.

[Judi Lynn]

66. Kick!

[Tigress DEM]

67. So, now we see how he was confident that he could "deliver" the vote for B

what a jerk.

I wrote to Ken Blackwell and told him never to run for public office again that he didn't deserve to be dogcatcher, much less govenor.

I included pieces that showed his disreputable behavior during the attempt to get vote fraud in Ohio examined.

[in_cog_ni_to]

71. Are there cameras in the building where Blackwell's office is?

Could the tapes be confiscated? YEAH!!! Like they haven't been destroyed already?!@#$%$#@ if they did exist.

[Vinca]

72. This, my friends, is why we are screwed unless there are paper trails.

The Republican party has Blackwells lined up and willing to serve as far as the eye can see. We must have a verifiable vote!

[in_cog_ni_to]

73. And as long as the repukes control

Congress....THAT will NEVER happen. Ever! The fraud works so well. WHY would they change it? They won't!

FRAUD MUST BE FOUND! PEOPLE MUST BE INDICTED AND TRIED! WE MUST PROVE IN A COURT OF LAW THAT THEY STOLE THE ELECTIONS!

THAT is the ONLY way the system will be changed. The repukes will NEVER, EVER, EVER believe their repuke politicians hyjacked the elections. The corporate media will NEVER report this unless it goes to court.

[EFerrari]

75. Redhanded Blackwell.

When does his campaign start for Gov? We've got to get people all over OH tarring him with this or with some equivalent.

Sonnuvab!tch.

[helderheid]

79. Conversation with Fitrakis last night by another DUer

This is from

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x378939

Klimmer (71 posts) Sun Jun-19-05 08:19 AM
Original message
Talked with Bob Fitrakis in person tonight (6-18-05) at his book signing
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 08:22 AM by Klimmer

in San Diego. It was a small intimate crowd since some other big Dem function was happening also tonight (hey to bad for them, because without our right to vote we have nothing). I had an opportunity to talk with him at length before his talk and bought his co-edited book and got him to sign it with a nice message. I asked several Qs then and during his talk along with several others. A lot of great information tonight, much of what I did not know. And I check into DU 2004 Election Results and Discussion a great deal.

The book:
"Did George W. Bush Steal America's 2004 Election?
Essential Documents
Edited by Bob Fitrikis, Steve Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman
Preface by Rev. Jesse Jackson
Includes the Conyers Report" (741 pgs. and the size of a telephone book. They have so much more evidence "approx. 10,000 pages worth" but had to go with the more important and relevant. They are thinking of coming out with a narrative edition and also a CD/DVD?)

Only $20 at the book signing, and all proceeds go to printing more copies. They were able to get the book out sooner and in larger numbers than they would have been able to thanks to the grateful gift of a donor from California. His goal is to get it into every elected officials hand at the Federal level and at the state and city level, particularly those who work in the election boards.

Much to say. I will try to keep it brief:

1) I heard it first from the BradBlogRadio interview --- and I asked about SOS Blackwell's two way computer central tabulator communication ability. I asked if he had a signed deposition from the technician who installed the system who has come forward, and he said "no". The reason being that this person has a very large contract and is in fear of losing that or his job. He said he is working with this individual to try to get him to come forward. (I got the impression that there are more technicians but no one is willing to go on record yet.)

2) There are many, many people who are coming forward and talking, yet they do not want to be exposed. Everyone is very concerned about retribution and losing their jobs, since it happened to the one board of election official already and she lost her job and soon after had to have brain surgery. Conyers is trying to help her, and get her covered under the Federal Whistle Blower Act.

3) How are they able to do this Fraud and where did they learn to do this? He said the CIA has a very long history of this very thing and are very adapt at it. They used to only use it outside of the country to swing elections in other nations, but now through the right wing Republican Neo-cons they have brought it home (importing it) and are boldly using these same techniques --- and there are many, it isn't just with the central tabulators, although that is the primary big-time method.

4) He believes the fix is already in for Schwarzenegger's called for Special Election in November here in California. God help us. But we now know how they do it, so we must prepare, educate, and fight. We simply can not vote on privately partisan owned secret propriety software and computers. VVPB on open source publicly owned computers is the way to go. (You all can argue that . . .later)

5) I asked during his talk did he send John Kerry a signed copy, and why did John Kerry not fight? The answer tomorrow on edit . . . since it is late and I'm tired. Don't you just hate that?

Ask Qs because those of us there we all asked a lot, and I may be able to say what he told us.

[helderheid]

81. More

Klimmer (71 posts) Sun Jun-19-05 03:17 PM
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5. More on Bob's Talk . . .
5) I asked during his talk did he send John Kerry a signed copy, and why did John Kerry not fight?

Yes he did send John Kerry a copy and he is having copies sent to all of Congress.

The answer to the next part of the question was hard for me to hear and take. But I asked it --- I wanted to know. I'll be honest, I am a Kerry loyalist and apologist no doubt. But here it is . . .

John Kerry's top lawyer for advice in Ohio works for a firm that is owned and operated by Bush loyalists (I don't think he really knew that. If he did then that was very foolish). He did not get good advice. He was told that the little amount of election fraud that probably occurred would not be enough to make a difference. Bob said he believes JK did not want to win the Presidency only by electoral college and lose by popular vote. He also wanted to keep his options open for running in 2008. He did not want an ugly drawn-out fight that no doubt would have occurred, and at the time if you recall the Bush Admin stepped up the war effort in Iraq. No doubt on purpose to pressure Kerry to give it a rest. We all knew what the response would have been --- "We have a war going on, how can you act this way and be a sore loser. We have to support the troops now so get over it."

Bob Fitrakis did eventually talk to John Kerry at length over the phone and tell him everything he knew at that time (which was a lot of evidence proving fraud and a stolen election). He said John listened to everything not saying a word, and then eventually said something about the fraud in NM and how it was very evident, since where ever computers were used to vote by touch screen, John lost, but wherever they cast their ballots by hand John did very well. From what Bob said I don't know how that phone call ended, but I got the impression that JK just wasn't going to fight it.

And Bob also mentioned what Teresa Heinz Kerry said regarding election fraud changing votes via the central tabulator as reported in a newspaper and interview. So we know they know. But what are they going to do about it?

One thing that Bob F. admits to (and this is a very big hurdle to jump) is that the SOS Blackwell, the Republican party of Ohio, the State Troopers, and the courts in Ohio are all in bed together. All the courts are very partisan and stacked, and they couldn't get a fair trail. All four of the lawyers fighting in Ohio were being personally sued, and being threatened by the prospect of losing their law licenses. Bob admitted he could do just fine since he is a college professor and not dependent on law as his career, however the others were, so when it came time to sign legal documents, to safe guard the others Bob F. was signing them. They don't play fair. They will do anything to win. So that is how the book came about. Fine you don't want us to fight you in a court of law, we will publish the evidence and fight you in a court of public opinion and history will judge you. By the way the investigations are on going, they now have an office, and they are pushing ahead. There is still so much work to do.

One thing Bob said is that at some point Jesse Jackson told John Kerry directly, if you do not fight for all the votes then you will not be a viable candidate for 2008.

Bob F. reaffirmed that statement and position and the small audience cheered and clapped. I didn't. However, I realized right then in a big way that many are very upset with JK about throwing in the towel early.

I am more forgiving. But I do know now, that at some point soon John Kerry is going to have to apologize to the country and admit he was wrong for not fighting back. The bible on election fraud is now published and everyone who wants to know the truth will read it and know GW Bush is not the President but a fraud (2X over).

6) Bush and Carl Rove did indeed fly to Ohio together the day before the election or on the day of the election. I can't remember exactly what day Bob said.

I believe the DSMinutes is a major opportunity to expose to the world how corrupt the Bush Administration and Bush Crime Family really is. If Conyers can prove during his visit to England the authenticity of all the minutes and memos that are being leaked, then we have them and impeachment process for the entire administration should begin immediately. In a fair court of law all of the election fraud can then be brought to justice, and if that can be brought to justice, then the truth about 9-11 can also be exposed and brought to justice. I believe one day this dark period of history will one day vanish from the face of the Earth, and this Fascist Radical Right Wing Neo-con Rethug movement we are suffering under will be vilified and be extinguished and anyone remotely involved will be exposed and removed. The movement will be bombed and destroyed and sent back to the stone-age and just like the Nazi-movement in Germany, we will all be the wiser and we should never ever let this happen again. I believe truth and justice will prevail, but there is a great battle ahead and a scorching fire we have to go through first.

John Kerry, admit you were wrong, apologize to the world for not fighting election fraud.

Now with DSMinutes --- you were lied to, congress was lied to, and we were lied to. Come out fighting when these Memos are authenticated. It is time to turn the Swift boat to the shore and charge!

Let's go get them!

[leftchick]

85. I missed that part...

This a fascinating couple of posts. But they make me want to move to Canada at the same time. :(

I missed the part about Conyers going to England?? When is that?

Thank you for the links!

:hi:

[LeahD]

108. Thank you for these posts and for your optimism.

[helderheid]

111. the posts, no problem, the optimism, that I have no choice over

I have to stay positive - look what we accomplished with DSM !

[FreedomAngel82]

99. Thanks for posting this

I've often wondered about the primaries. I myself don't know if they spent so much time and effort on our primaries but I do think the media played a big role with Dean since he isn't one of them. I'm glad more people are coming forward. I wouldn't be surprised about California either which is sad and disgusting. According to Fitarkis Kerry knew they stole it and he also had a republican lawyer on his team. Did Kerry sign on this lawyer or was he assigned? Is the lawyer there to spy on them and he knows this and that's why the other party groups like Mr. Cobb are leading this on because Kerry can't? Mr. Fitrakis also said that there's a gentleman's agreement not to talk about election fraud but irregularities are fine. :mad:

[helderheid]

82. Looks like her show will eventually show up here

http://airamericaplace.com/archive.php?mode=show&id=10

[FreedomAngel82]

100. Good

I definitley want to hear this! Any word when the archive will be up?

[helderheid]

101. no clue

It's only got last week's up at the moment - I'll keep my eye on it. :)

[annabanana]

84. kick. . . (and "Sweet Jesus Help Us")

[FreedomAngel82]

86. I heard about this on BradBlog's show

He was bragging about it etc. I think he's also involved in the coin scandal in Ohio. Uncover that and you can prove the rest.

[helderheid]

91. yes - we need to focus on both the coin scandal and DSM

These 2 scandals will unravel this administration but we must be tenacious and never give up - just look at what is happening with DSM! It would not be on the front page of the Salt Lake Tribune this morning had it not been for us - nor would the following cartoon which appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune yesterday!



Never give up - we're making progress! Let's start focusing on the Coin Gate with as much enthusiasm as DSM!

http://www.commoncause.org/site/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?c=dkLNK1MQIwG&b=810579&en=jmIPJaM2IhLYJhOPLcJTL9O2KnITIbO2LrK1JlNaIAK

http://www.commoncause.org/atf/cf/{FB3C17E2-CDD1-4DF6-92BE-BD4429893665}/MAP_COINS_SMALL.GIF

[FreedomAngel82]

87. According to him

Kerry knew. I think the problem is proving it. You should check out his interview on BradBlog's show. It was VERY good.

[Turn CO Blue]

88. Well, of course, Blackwell had access. After all,

he IS the Secretary of State and don't all SOS's have access in case they need it? Of course he had access to the tabulator, but hey, everyone already knew that! This is old, old news, don't ya know, just like the DSM is old news! Nothing to see here, good citizens, please move along, and trust that we know what we're doing! :sarcasm:

[Octafish]

93. Diebold Boss VOWED to Deliver Ohio to Smirko

Election Technologies

September 01, 2003

Diebold CEO Declares That He's "Committed To Helping Ohio Deliver Its Electoral Votes To The President Next Year"

Voting machine controversy

By Julie Carr Smyth for the Plain Dealer Bureau.

The head of a company vying to sell voting machines in Ohio told Republicans in a recent fund-raising letter that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

The Aug. 14 letter from Walden O'Dell, chief executive of Diebold Inc. - who has become active in the re-election effort of President Bush - prompted Democrats this week to question the propriety of allowing O'Dell's company to calculate votes in the 2004 presidential election.

O'Dell attended a strategy pow-wow with wealthy Bush benefactors - known as Rangers and Pioneers - at the president's Crawford, Texas, ranch earlier this month. The next week, he penned invitations to a $1,000-a-plate fund-raiser to benefit the Ohio Republican Party's federal campaign fund - partially benefiting Bush - at his mansion in the Columbus suburb of Upper Arlington.

The letter went out the day before Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell, also a Republican, was set to qualify Diebold as one of three firms eligible to sell upgraded electronic voting machines to Ohio counties in time for the 2004 election.

Blackwell's announcement is still in limbo because of a court challenge over the fairness of the selection process by a disqualified bidder, Sequoia Voting Systems.

CONTINUED...

http://www.onlisareinsradar.com/archives/001684.php

[converted_democrat]

97. If someone wanted to verify this, how would one go about it?

Is there a contractor list? (people authorized to do work for for the state) Anybody have any ideas? I would really appreciate it if someone could point me in the right direction. I'd love to verify this info, I just don't know where to start.

[earth mom]

98. My fingers and toes are crossed that this will bring the bastards down! nt

[mvd]

103. Very interesting

Let's hope it leads to the proof we need that Ohio was stolen.

[helderheid]

104. see post 91

We need to sign that petition for coingate - it's related!

[mvd]

105. Thanks - I will

:hi:

[bling bling]

106. Done. Thanks.

[helderheid]

107. thanks!!

:hi:

[LeahD]

109. Is this the bombshell of a report Dean mentioned?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x377678

"The most important statement I believe Dean made was to tell us to be prepared for a bombshell of a report the Democrats should be releasing in the next 10 days or so that documents the widespread voter suppression and fraud last November in Ohio particularly and the country in general."

[helderheid]

110. Let's hope!

This with Coingate should turn the last election around - combined with DSM this administration is TOAST.

Grab the champagne!

[LeahD]

113. Yes, the "dark days" may be behind us if we NGU!

We have so many "gates":

Votergate
Coingate
Memogate

and then, of course, we have the TRUTH!

[berni_mccoy]

112. This needs as much attention as the DSM

It proves Bush won illegally and overturns the entire 2004 Election results!!!

Let's DU this like we did the DSM.

We were incrediblly successful at getting the DSM in the MSM, let's DU it again!!!

[helderheid]

114. YES YES YES

And if the right wingers say "Well, * won the popular vote" you tell them no he didn't - the exit polls say otherwise - the votes were padded nationwide on those fucking machines to ensure a popular vote win and it DID NOT HAPPEN.

[helderheid]

115. be sure to check out original thread

and that forum on 2004 results - these are your best investigators into the election fraud

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=378842&mesg_id=378842

[redacted]

116. How to hear Laura Flanders' interview with Bob Fitrakis

Open an audio player with a timecode function (such as iTunes or WinAmp) and set the timecode indicator to "time elapsed." Then open the stream, or download the file, at the following location:

http://www.airamericaplace.com.nyud.net:8090/upload/aalf061805.mp3

The interview segment where Fitrakis talks about new information obtained after his book went to press relating to Blackwell starts at 1:11:00.

[helderheid]

117. Thanks so much !! I'll go listen now!

[helderheid]

118. the whole show appears to be a winner DSM, Ohio, etc

[EFerrari]

119. helderheid, thank you and well done.

Not giving up, not even for a moment.

The most liberal lefties in SanFran didn't want me to talk election fraud in early November, and I did anyway. Not with the depth of knowledge most people in the Election Forum had, but at least with clarity and conviction. And have never looked back.

B.

[helderheid]

121. Thank YOU!

I am noticing this subject is becomming less and less taboo when people look at the poll numbers and are reminded of the exit polls pointing to a Kerry win - and that it was the Exit polls that called for an entirely new election in the Ukraine! Things are coming together!!

[EFerrari]

123. Yes, they are. We have to stay focused and patient.

But, there will be no holding these facts back in the end.

We will prevail.

:toast:

[helderheid]

137. Yes we will!!!

Be prepared to buy a lot of champagne!

[helderheid]

120. I am currently editing this MP3 to just include his interview and will

post it as soon as I have it uploaded. :)

[redacted]

122. Rough Transcript

Here's a rough transcript of Fitrakis' remarks, in some cases paraphrased, during the last two minutes of his segment starting at 1:13:15 elapsed in the MP3 file posted above.

(Please refer to that audio file for the exact dialog, because we omitted a few phrases below in order to post the material quickly.)

FITRAKIS: On Feb 27, 2004 he sent out a press release on saying that, for the first time, there would be real-time access between the Secretary of State’s Office and all 88 counties.

Since the book came out. . .we’ve verified with one of the installers of the system, and we had a long conversation. We can’t reveal his name because he has signed numerous confidentiality agreements. But this is what he’s said, and we’ve been able to verify where he works and which well-known company he acted as a subcontractor for, I won’t mention that name either, but everyone knows it. . .

But in that case, he says that the system had both override and overwrite capacity, meaning that Blackwell, from his office in Columbus, could override the county board of elections, and overwrite and “correct” (whatever that means) their data.

Also, the three other things he mentioned were that there were actual agencies, three of them to be specific, two Federal and one state, who also had access to that system on election night, specifically:

The Selective Service Administration, out of Washington,

The Internal Revenue Service, and

The Ohio State Troopers.

END OF SEGMENT

[helderheid]

132. good job!

Thanks!

[helderheid]

124. Entire interview of Bob Fitrakis on Laura Flanders HERE

http://wanderingstar.com/design/bobfitrakisAAR.mp3

[helderheid]

125. Kick for those who haven't had a chance to listen to the interview

[hedda_foil]

126. Another kick because I just found this thanks to heldeerheid!

[helderheid]

127. hey hedda foil!

Get a chance to hear the interview?? :) :hi:

[hedda_foil]

128. Yes, it's terrific!

I talked to Bob for one minute last week to get a phone number, and had no idea that he'd found this smoking gun. He's insanely busy, but if we can get a little more info, I'll let you know!

[helderheid]

131. That is TERRIFIC!!

What are the chances that someone will officially come forward? Any ideas?

[redacted]

134. More kicking

[helderheid]

135. me too ;)

[MojoXN]

139. The silence is deafening!

Brought to you by:

MojoXN

[helderheid]

142. BAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Morning yell to break the silence ;)

[annabanana]

140. kickin in the am

[Liberal In Texas]

141. good for another morning kick

This is great stuff.

[helderheid]

143. punt

[redacted]

146. KICK

[Independent_Liberal]

148. Aha!

I hope Blackwell goes down soon! I hope Kerry and Conyers lynch the son-of-a-bitch!

[helderheid]

149. kick

don't forget!