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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 08:52 AM
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Bush Radio Address: "U.S. is in Iraq because of 9-11" - (AUDIO)

From Presidential Radio Address:
June 18, 2005

Presidential Radio Address

"We went to war because we were attacked"

Listen to the President in his own words...


MP3 Audio synopsis of Radio Address (2 minutes)

Oroginal radio broadcast here



From Japan Today:
June 18, 2005

Bush says U.S. is in Iraq because of 9-11

Sunday, June 19, 2005 at 07:07 JST



WASHINGTON — U.S. President George W Bush on Saturday defended the war in Iraq, telling Americans the United States was forced into war because of the Sept 11 terror strikes.

Bush also resisted calls for him to set a timetable for the return of thousands of U.S. troops deployed in Iraq, saying Iraqis must be able to defend their own country before U.S. soldiers can be pulled out.

"We went to war because we were attacked, and we are at war today because there are still people out there who want to harm our country and hurt our citizens," Bush said in his weekly radio address.

Bush began a public relations offensive to defend the war as his approval rating has dropped well below 50% with Americans expressing skepticism about the invasion.

(...)

"Some may disagree with my decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power, but all of us can agree that the world's terrorists have now made Iraq a central front in the war on terror," said the president.

more here
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 08:55 AM
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1. No, Bush wanted to take Iraq for 'political capital'
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Bob3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 08:56 AM
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2. Well back to lie number one - a bit of nostalgia for the old folks
So what happened to the bringing freedom to Iraq? I expect all sorts of gibberish over the next few weeks.
Sigh.
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Kipling Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 08:56 AM
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3. Iraq, Saudia Arabia, Iran - they're all sand niggers.
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 08:57 AM by Kipling
What's the difference?
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 08:56 AM
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4. What a Lame Duck
:rofl: :rofl:

Serious are he so sure that the Americans people dont have brains.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:00 AM
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5. This is a brand new excuse ! This is news !
First it was WMD's. Then mushroom clouds...Then imminent threat...Then to create a democracy for the Iraqi people...and now it was because of 9/11. I thought he had already said in public that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11???? Am I wrong?
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mopaul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:04 AM
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9. yes, one day he was forced to say saddam had no part in 9/11
after telling all the dumbasses exactly the opposite for a year. yet, they still float this lie/myth.
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:01 AM
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6. Well why didn't we attack Switzerland instead of Iraq then?
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Goldeneye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:02 AM
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7. Um, Bush?
You already tried this one.
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:03 AM
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8. That's impeachable spunky
You've also said. "There's no evidence that saddam attacked on 9/11."
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:05 AM
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10. this really infuriates me
did timmy or georgie or any of the other corporate media whores bring up this flagrant LIE this morning?

:grr:
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:20 AM
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11. Most bizarre statement:
"all of us can agree that the world's terrorists have now made Iraq a central front in the war on terror"

That "now" should be boldfaced capitals. Iraq is NOW something it wasn't before George Bush's war, "a central front in the war on terror."

Unbelievable arrogance to use a bad situation created by him as justification after the fact for a war against a country that posed no threat to us. Unbelievable.
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assclown_bush Donating Member (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:29 AM
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12. If at first you don't succeed....
Try, try again. bushCo must think that excuse for going to war sounds very plausible and will appeal to middle America's sheeple, if he REMINDS them they will begin to believe it again. Unfortunately some of those morons WILL believe again.

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:50 PM
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13. ..
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 01:20 PM
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14. That's the sound of my blood boiling
I am so infuriated by this. I can't believe this man has the temerity to go on radio and lie his ass off like this! Do they really think no one remembers the content of Bush's letter to Cogress that initiated the invasion? It was all about threats to US security; nowhere did it mention an attack by Iraq on the US. If this sort of blatant lying to the public doesn't constitute a "misdemeanor", I don't know what does.

:grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke:
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 01:28 PM
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15. The points from LynnTheDem again
Just to root out any question.

There were no ties to Iraq and the 911 attacks



Bush rallies support by linking Iraq to Sept 11
By Toby Harnden in Washington
(Filed: 09/10/2002)

In a speech in Cincinnati on Monday night, Mr Bush said Saddam Hussein was linked with Osama bin Laden. "We know that Iraq and the al-Qa'eda terrorist network share a common enemy: the United States of America," he said.

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/10/09/wirq09.xml

"To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two." - Rumsfeld, Monday, October 4, 2004

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,10975887-1702,00.html

Sky News (London): "One question for you both. Do you believe that there is a link between Saddam Hussein, a direct link, and the men who attacked on September the 11th?"

Bush: "I can't make that claim.'

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030131-23.html

Sept 17, 2003- Bush: No evidence Saddam Hussein involved in Nine-Eleven attacks

http://www.kltv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1447698

Sept 16, 2003- Rice: U.S. Never Said Saddam Was Behind 9/11

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/983821/posts

Sept 16, 2003- Rumsfeld sees no link between Saddam Hussein, 9/11

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-09-16-rumsfeld-iraq-911_x.htm.

Aug 6, 2003- Wolfowitz: Iraq Was Not Involved In 9-11 Terrorist Attacks, No Ties To Al- Qaeda

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4372.htm

Brent Scowcroft, one of the <[Republican Party>’s most respected foreign policy advisors;

"Don't Attack Saddam. It would undermine our antiterror efforts. There is scant evidence to tie Saddam to terrorist organizations, and even less to the Sept. 11 attacks."

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002133

Allies Find No Links Between Iraq, Al Qaeda

"What I'm asked is if I've seen any evidence of that. (Iraq links to al Qaeda) And the answer is: I haven't.” -British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, who supports U.S. invasion & occupation of Iraq.

http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-noqaeda4nov04,0,4538810.story

British Intelligence agencies, MI6 and MI5

A dossier prepared by the two agencies “showed no discernible links between Iraq and al- Qaida,” http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=375403

Richard Kerr, a former deputy CIA director who lead an internal review of the CIA's prewar intelligence;

“the CIA has not found any proof of operational ties between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's regime.”

http://www.thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?pid=800

The White House’s own publication, A Decade of Defiance and Deception, makes no mention of Osama bin Laden or al Qaeda.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect5.html

The 2002 congressional joint intelligence committee’s report on the Sept. 11 attacks revealed that the Bush administration had no evidence to support its claim that Saddam’s government was supporting al-Qaeda.

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030723-064812-9491r

MSNBC - No proof links Iraq, al-Qaida, Powell says

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ID/3909150

According to a "top secret British document", quoted by the BBC "there is nothing but enmity between Iraq and Al Qaeda." The BBC said the leak came from intelligence officials upset that their work was being used to justify war." (quoted in Daily News, New York, 6 February 2003).

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO303D.html

Iraq-al Qaeda links weak, say former Bush officials

Three former Bush administration officials who worked on intelligence and national security issues have told National Journal that the prewar evidence tying al Qaeda to Iraq was tenuous, exaggerated, and often at odds with the conclusions of key intelligence agencies.

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0803/080803nj2.htm

Split at C.I.A. and F.B.I. On Iraqi Ties to Al Qaeda

"…analysts at the Central Intelligence Agency have complained that senior administration officials have exaggerated the significance of some intelligence reports about Iraq, particularly about its possible links to terrorism, in order to strengthen their political argument for war, government officials said."

and…

"At the Federal Bureau of Investigation, some investigators said they were baffled by the Bush administration's insistence on a solid link between Iraq and Osama bin Laden's network. "We've been looking at this hard for more than a year and you know what, we just don't think it's there," a government official said."

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/ abstract.html?res=F70D1EF83E5C0C718CDDAB0894DB404482

This is consistent with what they were saying back in October 2002.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A14056- 2002Oct24

"There's absolutely no evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda, ever."
-Richard Clarke, former terrorism chief under bush.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml

Iraq-al Qaeda ties have not been found

Bush administration hyped sketchy and false evidence to push for war The Bush administration’s claim that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had ties to ] — one of the administration’s central arguments for a pre-emptive war — appears to have been based on even less solid intelligence than the administration’s claims that Iraq had hidden stocks of chemical and biological weapons.

Nearly a year after U.S. and British troops invaded Iraq, no evidence has turned up to verify allegations of Saddam’s links with al Qaeda, and several key parts of the administration’s case have either proved false or seem increasingly doubtful.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/2004/03/04/news/nation/8101079.htm

Iraq and al Qaeda: What Evidence?

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=23816

Bush's own hand-picked Republican weapons hunter ISG, Dr. David Kay;

David Kay was on the ground for months investigating the activities of Hussein's regime. He concluded "But we simply did not find any evidence of extensive links with Al Qaeda, or for that matter any real links at all."

He called a speech where Cheney made the claim there was a link, as being "evidence free."

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2004/06/16/ bush_backs_cheney_on_assertion_linking_hussein_al_qaeda

Israeli intelligence (the Moussad)

“According to Israeli intelligence, Palestinians are still not connected to the global terror network, and neither is Iraq.”

http://www.haaretz.com /

Bush's second and final hand-picked Republican weapons hunter ISG, Dr. Charles Dueffler;

Report: No WMD stockpiles in Iraq, no capability since 1991, no evidence of ties to al Qaeda, no serious threat;

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/10/06/1096949583023.html?from=storylhs

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/isg-final-report

OFFICIAL VERDICT: WHITE HOUSE MISLED WORLD OVER SADDAM-AL QAEDA TIES

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0617-03.htm

No evidence of Iraq-Al Qaeda ties: 9/11 commission

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/06/cheney.911

"CIA Review Finds No Evidence Saddam Had Ties to Islamic Terrorists"

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1005-01.htm

NO ties between Iraq and international terrorists, al-Qaeda or otherwise



Prague meeting

Central to the Saddam - al Qaeda connection claim is the assertion that Czech authorities had evidence of a meeting between one of the September 11 hijackers, Mohammed Atta and an Iraqi agent in Prague in April 2001.

Both Czech President Vaclav Havel and Czech intelligence refuted this report.

http://www.intelmessages.org/Messages/National_Security/wwwboard/messages/ 2155.html

More than that, so do the FBI and CIA; Only one problem with that story, the FBI pointed out. Atta was traveling at the time between Florida and Virginia Beach, Va. (The bureau had his rental car and hotel receipts)

http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/060203A.shtml

This lie of BushCo's was debunked last year. But to this day, members of the Administration cite the Prague report as evidence of an Iraq - al Qaeda connection.

World Trade Center bombing

Cheney also claimed that 1993 World Trade Center bombing co-conspirator Abdul Rahman Yasin had received “financing” and “safe haven” from Saddam’s government.

You have to really love this one...yeah he did. Sort of. He was in an Iraqi JAIL from 1994 until shortly before the invasion;

"He was being clothed and fed by them so long as he wore stripes,” joked one U.S. investigator.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3067794 /

Yasin had hopped onto a plane for Iraq. He was picked up by the Iraqi police a year later and had been held without a charge placed against him. Iraq had twice offered to deliver him to the United States, but only upon written receipt that Iraq had given him up… "like a receipt for a FedEx package"

http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2002/msg00755.html

but the US refused the offer.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2022991.stm

Yasin was picked up by the FBI a few days after the bombing in an apartment in Jersey City, N.J., that he was sharing with his mother. He was so helpful and cooperative, giving the FBI names and addresses, that they released him.

Yasin says he was even driven back home in an FBI car.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/31/60minutes/main510795.shtml

The FBI agree, saying they decided to let Yasin go free.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/31/60minutes/main510795.shtml

Yasin, whose picture is on the FBI Web site along with Osama bin Laden, is one of President Bush’s 22 most-wanted terrorists.

Ansar al-Islam

Ansar al-Islam, a radical Kurdish group, whose leader lives a free man in Norway, after 2 FBI interrogations found nothing to even declare him an "enemy combatant".

Of course there's that other pesky little fact, that Ansar al lives in the Kurdish north of Iraq, out of Saddam's control and under Kurdish AND AMERICAN control for the past 13 years.

http://www.iht.com/articles/85957.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO302B.html

NO Saddam DID NOT kick the UN weapons inspectors out in 1998;

http://www.fair.org/activism/post-expulsions.html

Amidst controversy, Butler withdrew the UNSCOM team for safety reasons ahead of US bombing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Iraqi_production_and_use_of_weapons_of_mass_destruction

Coalition of the Willing

As for bush's "coalition", 161 out of 193 nations said no, and ONLY the USA ever had a citizen majority that was pro-invasion. The populations of the countries in the so-called "Coalition of the Willing" make up only about 10 percent of the world's population.

Only 2 nations participated with troops for the actual invasion; the UK and Australia.

17 of bush's "coalition" nations are listed on the US State Dept website as being "not free" or "partially free".

Human Rights

Transparancy International reports 24 nations (over half) have high levels of corruption.

The US State Dept human rights survey list describes 18 of these nations as having "poor" or "extremely poor" human rights situations. For example, the State Department report notes that torture and/or extrajudicial killings were carried out by security forces in coalition members Albania, Azerbaijan, Colombia, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Georgia, Macedonia, Nicaragua, Philippines, and Uzbekistan.

NOT in Bush's "coalition" are 11 of 15 Security Council nations; 49 of 53 African nations; 26 out of 33 Latin American nations; both Canada and Mexico; a total of 161 nations.

http://www.ips-dc.org/coerced.htm

No fresh intelligence

US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld admitted the US had had no fresh intelligence prior to 1998 about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq before going to war.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,995042,00.html

The bipartisan Senate House Intelligence Committee report backs Rummy up on that;

"Most of the information was collected before 1998, when U.N. weapons inspectors left Iraq because the United States had made it clear it was about to strike the country", the two members noted.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp- dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A19528-2003Sep29

In Cairo, on February 24 2001, Powell said: "He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours."

On May 15 2001, Powell went further and said that Saddam Hussein had "not been able to build his military back up or to develop weapons of mass destruction" for "the last 10 years".

America, he said, had been successful in keeping him "in a box". Ie, the sanctions were working.

Two months later, Condoleezza Rice also described a weak, divided and militarily defenceless Iraq. "Saddam does not control the northern part of the country," she said. "We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt."

Seven Months Before 9/11, CIA Director George Tenet, testified before Congress that Iraq posed no immediate threat to the United States or to other countries in the Middle East and that they had no new evidence Iraq had or was acquiring WMD.

So we had NO NEW EVIDENCE after 1998, and in 2001 we have the CIA, Powell, and Rice saying Iraq was NO THREAT to anyone, and the sanctions were working.

No New Evidence, still a threat

So how come in 2002, with NO NEW EVIDENCE, suddenly they were saying Iraq WAS a threat?

The media replayed over & over film of Chirac greeting Saddam Hussein in the 1970s. Chirac was mocked and ridiculed for it. How come they not once showed Rumsfeld greeting Saddam Hussein in the mid-1980s? Why no mocking & ridiculing of Rumsfeld?

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/30/sproject.irq.regime.change

Why no word on how Detroit handed Saddam the key to the city in 1979?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/26/iraq/main546287.shtml

What about this fact; Saddam's regime was using much of Iraq's burgeoning oil revenue to improve the daily lives of its people. It even won UN humanitarian awards for its literacy programs.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/30/sproject.irq.regime.change

Why does a recently released study show 80% of Fox viewers held (hold) 3 basic misconceptions on Iraq?

http://truthout.org/docs_03/100403F.shtml

Was all of this known to Congress before the invasion? Sure it was. Here's Republican Ron Paul speaking in September 2002;

http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/6404

Bush did not make his case

In fact, the vast majority of Americans believed bush had NOT made his case for war, right before the invasion;

USATODAY.com - Poll: Bush hasn't made case for Iraq War

More than two-thirds of Americans believe the Bush administration has failed to make its case that a war against Iraq is justified

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-12-17-iraq-poll_x.htm

Poll: Support For a War With Iraq Weakens Among Americans

Seven in 10 Americans would give U.N. weapons inspectors months more to pursue their arms search in Iraq, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll that found growing doubts about an attack on Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

http://middleeastinfo.org/article1795.html

While the US State Media pundits and the bushCabal told you it was just a few fringe libruls dissenting, that's not, in fact, true;

Statements after the Gulf War

Dick Cheney in April 1991, then Defense Secretary:

If you're going to go in and try to topple Saddam Hussein,you have to go to Baghdad. Once you've got Baghdad, it's not clear what you do with it. It's not clear what kind of government you would put in place of the one that's currently there now. Is it going to be a Shia regime, a Sunni regime or a Kurdish regime? Or one that tilts toward the Baathists, or one that tilts toward the Islamic fundamentalists?

How much credibility is that government going to have if it's set up by the United States military when it's there? How long does the United States military have to stay to protect the people that sign on for that government, and what happens to it once we leave?

http://slate.msn.com/?id=2072479

President George H.W. Bush, 1998;

"Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."

http://www.rense.com/general43/quote.htm

Brent Scowcroft, one of the Republican Party’s most respected foreign policy advisors, and national security adviser under President Gerald Ford and George H.W. Bush:

Don't Attack Saddam It would undermine our antiterror efforts. "Our pre-eminent security priority--underscored repeatedly by the president--is the war on terrorism. An attack on Iraq at this time would seriously jeopardize, if not destroy, the global counterterrorist campaign we have undertaken."

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002133

Norman Schwarzkopf - Four Star General:

"The general who commanded U.S. forces in the 1991 Gulf War says he hasn't seen enough evidence to convince him that his old comrades Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and Paul Wolfowitz are correct in moving toward a new war now. He thinks U.N. inspections are still the proper course to follow. He's worried about the cockiness of the U.S. war plan, and even more by the potential human and financial costs of occupying Iraq….(And don't get him started on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld)"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52450-2003Jan27?language=printer

Col. David Hackworth (ret), America's most highly decorated soldier:

"Should the president decide to stay the war course, hopefully at least a few of our serving top-uniformed leaders - those who are now covertly leaking that war with Iraq will be an unparalleled disaster - will do what many Vietnam-era generals wish they would have done: stand tall and publicly tell the America people the truth about another bad war that could well lead to another died-in-vain black wall. Or even worse."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29786

James Webb, former Sec. of Navy under Ronald Reagan, Decorated Marine Veteran:

"Do we really want to occupy Iraq for the next 30 years? …In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets…. Nations such as China can only view the prospect of an American military consumed for the next generation by the turmoil of the Middle East as a glorious windfall."

http://www.sftt.org/article09302002a.html

Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, former Head of Central Command for U.S.:

"It's pretty interesting that all the generals see it the same way, and all the others who have never fired a shot, and are hot to go to war, see it another…We are about to do something that will ignite a fuse in this region that we will rue the day we ever started."

Hawks in the Bush administration may be making deadly miscalculations on Iraq, says Gen. Anthony Zinni, Bush's Middle East envoy.

"I'm not sure which planet they live on"

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/10/17/zinni

Republican Dissent on Iraq

Full page ad in Wall Street Journal by major GOP contributors:

"Mr. President, …The candidate we supported in 2000 promised a more humble nation in our dealings with the world. We gave him our votes and our campaign contributions. That candidate was you. We feel betrayed. We want our money back. We want our country back…. A Billion Bitter enemies will rise out of this war." - Wall Street Journal, January 13, 2003

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/001444.html

Republicans Who Voted Against Iraq Resolution Tell Why

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/11/194543.shtml

TOP REPUBLICANS BREAK WITH BUSH ON IRAQ STRATEGY

Leading Republicans from Congress, the State Department and past administrations have begun to break ranks with President Bush over his administration's high-profile planning for war with Iraq, saying the administration has neither adequately prepared for military action nor made the case that it is needed.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/11/194543.shtml

Retired general William Odom, former head of the National Security Agency:

"Right now, the course we're on, we're achieving Bin Laden's ends…. I've never seen it so bad between the office of the secretary of defense and the military. There's a significant majority believing this is a disaster. The two parties whose interests have been advanced have been the Iranians and al-Qaeda. Bin Laden could argue with some cogency that our going into Iraq was the equivalent of the Germans in Stalingrad. They defeated themselves by pouring more in there. Tragic."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

Retired General Joseph Hoare, the former marine commandant and head of US Central Command:

"The idea that this is going to go the way these guys planned is ludicrous. There are no good options. We're conducting a campaign as though it were being conducted in Iowa, no sense of the realities on the ground. It's so unrealistic for anyone who knows that part of the world. The priorities are just all wrong."

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091704Y.shtml

Col. Mike Turner (ret), Schwarzkopf's personal briefing officer during Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm:

“The uniformed Joint Staff in the Pentagon strongly opposed this plan early on...The uniformed Joint Staff was overridden, yet in so many horrifying ways this operation resembles Somalia, not Desert Storm...Perhaps we can pull this off, but here's a far worse scenario that's at least as likely...Photos of American soldiers amid landscapes of Iraqi civilian bodies blanket the world press which aligns unanimously against the US. The US is condemned by NATO and the UN...The war ends within a few weeks, but the crisis deepens...”

http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/transcripts/2003/mar/030311.turner.html

US Air Force General, Tony McPeak, a four-star general who headed the U.S. Air Force during Operation Desert Storm:

McPeak served four years on the Joint Chiefs of Staff advising Bush’s father and then President Clinton after flying 269 Vietnam combat missions and participating in the Thunderbirds, the elite aerobatic team.

McPeak believes that President Bush should publicly admit personal failure. He claims Bush has botched the crucial process of coalition-building, has not enlisted the United Nations, and has failed to rebuild Afghanistan as a model of reconstruction.

http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=57303%3E
http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=57303%20

Retired Envoys, Commanders Assail Bush Team Administration Unable to Handle 'Global Leadership,' 27-Member Group Asserts

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46538-2004Jun16.html

Growing GOP Dissent On Iraq Republican Party ranks are beginning to break and the White House is worried. Longtime GOP critics on Iraq are growing progressively more vocal in their condemnation.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/07/politics/main610787.shtml

Republican Rep. Bereuter: War in Iraq not justified

"I've reached the conclusion, retrospectively, now that the inadequate intelligence and faulty conclusions are being revealed, that all things being considered, it was a mistake to launch that military action. That's especially true in view of the fact that the attack was initiated "without a broad and engaged international coalition," the 1st District congressman said.

"Knowing now what I know about the reliance on the tenuous or insufficiently corroborated intelligence used to conclude that Saddam maintained a substantial WMD (weapons of mass destruction) arsenal, I believe that launching the pre-emptive military action was not justified."

As a result of the war, he said, "our country's reputation around the world has never been lower and our alliances are weakened."

"Left unresolved for now is whether intelligence was intentionally misconstrued to justify military action," he said.

Republican Rep. Doug Bereuter is a senior member of the House International Relations Committee and vice chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

http://www.journalstar.com/articles/2004/08/18/top_story/10053833.txt

And things still aren't going very well;

Republican senator Chuck Hagel, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee;

"No, I don't think we're winning," Hagel told a CBS interviewer. "We're in trouble, we're in deep trouble in Iraq."

http://www.iht.com/articles/539563.htm

Republican senator Richard Lugar, Foreign Relations Committee chairman, was asked on ABC why only $1 billion of the $18 billion appropriated last year for Iraqi reconstruction had been spent.

"Well, this is the incompetence in the administration," he replied.

http://www.iht.com/articles/539563.htm

Are we safer, as bush keeps saying? OOPS nope.

”We have a stronger jihadi presence in Iraq today than in March 2003,” noted Roger Cressey, the former director for Transnational Threats in Bush's National Security Council at a briefing at the libertarian Cato Institute earlier this week.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0911-01.htm

Worldwide terrorism-related deaths on the rise

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5889435%20 /

US Losing the War on Terror in Iraq; The invasion of Iraq has increased, not decreased. the threat of terrorist attack

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article2629.html

Occupation Made World Less Safe, Pro-War Institute Says

http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/terrorwar/analysis/2004/0526iissreport.htm

Iraq Invasion Hurt War on Terror

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0719-10.htm

Musharraf: World more dangerous because of Iraq War

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/25/03544/7945

Blix Says Iraq War May Have Worsened Terror Threat

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0319-02.htm

Poll: Aussies, Brits, Italians say Iraq war increased terrorism

http://www.startribune.com/stories/1576/5027215.html

Iraq intervention increased threat of terrorism

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/archive/scoop/stories/c7/9d/ 200409100845.68f9c878.html

UK Government; Iraq war 'increased terror threat'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3451239.stm

Iraq war has swollen ranks of al Qaeda

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1063717,00.html

US State Department Corrects Report to Show Rise in Terrorism

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5264512 /

Iraq has become a terrorist spawning ground, CIA admits

http://www.smh.com.au/news/After-Saddam/Iraq-a-terrorist-spawning-ground-CIA- admits/2005/02/17/1108609349394.html?oneclick=true

Iraq Conflict Feeds International Terror Threat

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050216/us_nm/ security_usa_dc_9

But the majority of Americans -62%- thought before bush's illegal invasion that invading Iraq would increase terrorism; they were correct;

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/02/07/opinion/meyer/main539846.shtml

And now we're told another attack is coming.

Rumsfeld warned on Wednesday that terrorists are regrouping for another strike.

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBTNH0O95E.html

As for the short-lived attempt by bushCartel to claim invading and occupying Iraq a "humanitarian intervention", there's a good reaon that excuse was so short-lived;

The vast majority of Americans say "humanitarian" is not justification

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1114-06.htm

Human Rights Watch; Iraq invasion cannot be justified as humanitarian intervention

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0126-07.htm

Britain's Tony Blair admitting the "300,000" in mass graves in Iraq was untrue didn't help bush's "humanitarian" rhetoric, either, especially when Blair admitted there'd been only some 5000 remains found in those mass graves;

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,6903,1263830,00.html

The Iraqis aren't very grateful to us;

Poll: Only 2% of Iraqis View the US as Liberators, 97% as Occupiers

http://www.independent-media.tv/ item.cfm?fmedia_id=7752&fcategory_desc=Under%20Reported

Killing other people & their kids tend to make people ungrateful;

CNN.com - Study puts Iraqi toll at 100,000

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/iraq.deaths /

The world hates us:

Amnesty Slams "Bankrupt" Vision of US in Damning Rights Report

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0526-02.htm

Poll: Bush 'Biggest Threat to Justice and Peace'

http://www.twf.org/News/Y2002/1109-Poll.html

'SQUANDERED SYMPATHY'; Poll reveals world anger at Bush

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1328053,00.html

For the first time, statistics show world's dislike of Bush translating into dislike of Americans in general

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1394393,00.html

While the world and half of America know the facts, and most knew them prior to bush's invasion, bush supporters are still totally in the dark. The majority of bush supporters still continue to believe Iraq was involved in the 911 attacks, had ties to al Qaeda, had WMD etc;

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Pres_Election_04/html/new_10_21_04.html

But even with so many still so wrong on the facts, only 42% of Americans now approve of bush's invasion;

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0211-04.htm

Gee...and it only took, so far, the deaths of 1471 uniformed American men, women and teens;

http://icasualties.org/oif/

And over $300 billion US dollars...YOUR dollars. So far.

http://www.detnews.com/2005/nation/0502/16/A04-90621.htm

Well I guess that this should be enough to satisfy anybody...



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Pockets Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 01:30 PM
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16. At least Nixon had enough class to resign....
Why won't this guy just role over? * is much worse than Nixon.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 01:34 PM
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17. The only way to get rid off Bush is by impeachment
I'm sorry to say that. The shitty part is that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld need to go as well, because they are the brains behind the Operation George Junior...
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dubyaD40web Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 01:35 PM
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18. He is STILL pulling this crap?
Okay, so maybe there's 1% of the population that still believes Iraq had 'terrarists' or something to do with 9/11. </sarcasm>

We need to call him out on the this one. LTTE is a start!
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