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truth_is_extreme Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:05 PM
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The US war with Iran has already begun
Will Bush get away with it again? Jesus F..... Christ!!!

(sorry if this article has already been posted)

>>The reality is that the US war with Iran has already begun. As we speak, American over flights of Iranian soil are taking place, using pilotless drones and other, more sophisticated, capabilities.

The violation of a sovereign nation's airspace is an act of war in and of itself. But the war with Iran has gone far beyond the intelligence-gathering phase.

President Bush has taken advantage of the sweeping powers granted to him in the aftermath of 11 September 2001, to wage a global war against terror and to initiate several covert offensive operations inside Iran.

The most visible of these is the CIA-backed actions recently undertaken by the Mujahadeen el-Khalq, or MEK, an Iranian opposition group, once run by Saddam Hussein's dreaded intelligence services, but now working exclusively for the CIA's Directorate of Operations.<<

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7896BBD4-28AB-48BA-A949-2096A02F864D.htm
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:07 PM
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1. FYI.
Edited on Sun Jun-19-05 09:08 PM by understandinglife
Link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3885693&mesg_id=3898627


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4173.htm


WE THE PEOPLE .... WILL NEVER FORGET

"... we sent our young people into harm's way without leveling with the American people." - Congresswoman Pelosi before Congress, 16 June 2005



Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Impeachment of Bush and Cheney; indictment and prosecution of all members of the Bush regime who participated in the deception, should be campaign promises of any candidate worthy of our vote in the 2006 Congressional elections.
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truth_is_extreme Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:09 PM
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2. thank you
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:12 PM
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3. Thanks. The other post on this was buried in an Iraq thread.
:hi:

This is very scary. Wonder if the corporate media has been burying this, too.
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:13 PM
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4. What's worse is that Chimp made enemies out of would be allies
The majority of Iran's population to my knowledge is 20-30 somethings who love Coca Cola and Britney Spears and hate the ruling Mullahs but they also hate Bush so much that they'd be willing to fight the US just on principal for daring to invade their country.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:17 PM
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5. Scott Ritter has been correct again and again
I'm finding it hard to doubt what he's saying here, especially since it leaked months ago that June was the kickoff date. (Hell, wasn't he one of the ones who called that?)

It would pay to keep a close eye on the international news media for all developments in Iran in the days ahead.

I have this image of our troops in the Middle East straddling the Iran/Iraq border, taking flak from both east and west.

And what a shame that Ritter is lacking a US outlet for his byline. Nothing against Jazeera, but more Americans need to hear what this man has to say.
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:19 PM
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6. Also, it wasn't that long ago that we learned that while Bush was speaking
to the UN, our military was attacking Iraqs Air force with our Air force and bombing the Hell out of everything they had before our men on the ground got there.

Now they have started in Iran. Where is our media? Why aren't foreign nations reporting on this? For God's sake can't someone stop this man and his Napoleon ego?

I cannot imagine what our soldiers have been through "psychologically" and physically, of course. They do not even give them enough time to get a rest from their tour before they have to go back.

So when does everyone think the draft will start? I think it's going to happen in 2008, just before that A* leaves office. God knows no one is going to help us impeach this man and his hence men.

Don't know how long this has been, but on my screen scroll it said 23 killed in suicide bombing in restaurant.

Saddam was an evil man and would hurt his own people. However, the Iraq people never knew what terrorism was until Bush sent our soldiers over there. They say that is why we are safe or the war would be here.

They have no desire to come here and attack again. Why am I so sure? Because they have over 100,000 American troops that they are taking out every day. If their not killing them, they are maiming them.

GB says he knows his father well his Bible. Then he should know he will be judged by his works while he was here. Just because the words come out of your mouth, Georgy, does not mean what you say is true regarding your religion.

MG I'm so angry and frustrated.
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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:35 PM
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7. it has to stop...NOW!
There have to be Democrats on the intelligence committee being briefed on this. If this is true, Congressional Democrats need to threaten to completely shut down the government if Bush unilaterally drops even one bomb on Iran without provocation.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 09:56 PM
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8. I wish that I could say that even Bush isn't dumb enough to
attack Iran in light of our current problems. However, he has done so many other dumb things. Why not yet another? Could he really believe that Americans would rally behind him as they did for Iraq?
What about Congress? Will they support this if light of Bush's previous lies? I don't think so? But, they might.
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:00 PM
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9. Nixon's I mean Bush Jr.'s illegal bombing of Cambodia
excuse me again, Bush Jr.'s illegal harassment of Iran via Iraq.

Politicians have gotten away with this long enough. In my lifetime I have witnessed invasions into Vietnam (had just stated when I was born), Grenada, Panama, Haiti and of course Iraq (twice). Afghanistan, the Balkans and Somalia are going to be addressed by historians but the prior is out of arrogance in my opinion. Not to mention the underhanded way we have treated South America. Impeachment is in order at this time.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:03 PM
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10. Well, Public Radio are having Iranian topic shows
more often as the days go on. Wisconin Public Radio's Ideas Network has had almost one per week the past month or so with different hosts at different times of day.

I do not think Minnesota Public Radio's local talk shows (Midday/Midmorning) have touched this yet. I also think NPR has touched on it during Morning Edition and ATC.

The slow ramp up is continuting.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:10 PM
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11. thanks - emailed it to media
now will hit Senators before bed.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:12 PM
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12. Sick.
How is the hell is he thinking we are going to do this? I always imagined he would use air power only and just bomb a bunch of them. As sick as that is the article seems to suggest a ground war as well. Is he going to take us all over there now because if he isn't going to use grandma and grandpa it isn't going to happen. Our children will not be enough. Who is going to pay for this?

This just has to stop NOW. I am at a loss what we can do. Protests don't seem to have any effect, just focus groups you know.
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truth_is_extreme Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:24 PM
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13. exactly
how in God's name can we send more service men into another war???
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:31 PM
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14. Truth-thank you
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 10:33 PM
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15. Here is what I think is an excellent summary of the US-Iran nuke situation
US Foreign Policy Toward Iran And Iran's Nuclear Program
by Ardeshir Ommani, American-Iranian Friendship Committee

Swans - June 20, 2005) Vice President Dick Cheney once said that the country that controls the Middle East oil can exercise a "stranglehold" over the global economy.

Especially after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991, the U.S. has increasingly resorted to force, rather than diplomacy and economic leverages, as the primary means to deal with challenges that stand in the way of its strategy of control of the world's essential energy resources, its geopolitical domination, nation-building, privatization of industrial and finance capital of other countries and the easy availability of foreign markets. It goes without saying that the U.S. can only achieve those objectives if its targets are not prepared nationally or otherwise to defend themselves from US threats of economic and geopolitical containment, or the tactic of sewing division among the nationalities of a given nation, such as in Iraq, or outright military attack.

...We need only look at a single day to see the vast amount of political attacks and propaganda carried out against Iran: on January 18, 2005, the BBC New agency announces that the U.S. is concerned over Iran's human rights; US special forces are operating inside Iran; and Seymour Hersh of the New Yorker magazine reveals the US plans of the coming wars and the probable attacks on Iran by the Israeli forces. Choosing randomly between the dates, on January 24, the world learns that a US Internet company under pressure from its government, violates the contract and "terminates" the Iranian website. On the same day, the head of Israel's Mossad (its intelligence agency), Meir Dagan, said that Iran's Nuclear Program was nearing the "point of no return." On January 30, 2005, Bush, in his State of the Union Address, calls Iran the "world's primary sponsor of terror" that is trying to develop nuclear weapons. In the next breath, he has the audacity to address the people of Iran by saying that, "As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you." Three days later, on February 3, 2005, the Boston Globe asks the frightening questions: "Onward to Iran?" "Is Iran Next?" The article states that the Americans (the organizations of the U.S.) keep growling a war option, which Foreign Minister Jack Straw of Britain called "madness." A day later, the Jerusalem Post states that John Bolton, during his visit to Abu Dubai, said that Israel might attack Iran's nuclear sites, because the "Jewish state has a history of such actions."

...For a clear and comprehensive understanding of the true nature of US foreign policy towards Iran during the periods before and after the 1979 Revolution, the issue of nuclear energy must be separated from the question of nuclear weapons production. And, secondly, we must discuss the problem of nuclear technology in the context of US foreign policy during the Shah's rule, and Iran's future energy requirements.

more...
http://www.swans.com/library/art11/ommani01.html
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