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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:12 AM
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I'll say it again and again! The National Guard does not belong in Iraq!
First off, this is not a diss against National Guardsmen. Their service to their country is to be commended and I respect them for it.

But here's the deal...The tag of weekend warrior before the Iraq war was an accurate tag. 2 weeks a year and one get together a month does not qualify these men to go into combat.

When I was with the 82nd Airborne, we use to go on practice missions against the NG and it was a huge mismatch. Like I said above..the amount of time they spent together was not enough time to prepare these guys for war.

This war will ruin the NG for years to come.... Why? One of the main reasons people join the NG is for residual income. From now on folks will say screw that extra 300 bucks a month.

Check out this piece that I found at Gilliard's blog:
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By Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, June 20, 2005; C01

Under the glare of a midmorning sun, Staff Sgt. Jody Hayes stands sweating in the hatch of his M-113 armored vehicle, scanning for insurgents. Hayes and his Iowa National Guard crew have been stalled for nearly 30 minutes on a risky, slow-moving mission to clear road bombs, and he's getting nervous.

Suddenly he hears the snap of a sniper's bullet flying past his head. The round pierces the neck of the soldier next to him, Spec. John Miller, entering the two-inch gap between his Kevlar vest collar and helmet.

"Get down!" Hayes yells. Miller falls heavily against Hayes's leg, and at first Hayes believes his friend is taking cover. "Man, he got down pretty quick," he recalls thinking. Then he glances down and sees Miller bleeding at his feet.

Sgt. Ty Dermer, who is manning a .50-caliber machine gun within arm's reach of Miller, radios for help: "We got a man down! We need a medic, ASAP!"

Hayes drops down and cradles Miller's head in his lap, while Dermer rips open a pressure dressing and places it on the neck wound. Each man grabs one of Miller's hands and
feels for a pulse. They still haven't found one when medic Spec. Jaymie Holschlag pulls open the back door of the M-113 and rushes, breathless, to Miller's side.

"Doc," Hayes says, looking up at her. "He's gone."

Holschlag begins checking Miller's pulse herself, as if she hasn't heard.

"Doc," Hayes repeats, louder. "He's gone!"

It is 10:18 a.m. on April 12, and John Wayne Miller is no more.

In the frenzy to save Miller, no one was thinking about why the war had snatched away the gangly 21-year-old Wal-Mart stocker from West Burlington, Iowa. Only later, as darkness falls and details of the day's horrors ricochet through their camp, do that question and others begin to haunt Hayes and his tightknit Iowa platoon. With a fifth of its soldiers killed or wounded, the platoon is reeling from the trauma of repeated loss, facing a constant threat from bombs and gunfire on Ramadi's streets, or mortar strikes on their base. They are angry, anxious, wracked by guilt -- one soldier suffers from combat stress so acute that he is unable to go on missions, and stays behind camp walls.
..........................

Holschlag runs to Miller. When the platoon medic sees that insurgents have taken out another of her "boys," she swears, grabs her medic's bag and walks back to her Humvee, slamming the side of it with her fist. Then she pulls out the gray body bag she has learned to carry at all times, and waits for a vehicle to evacuate Miller's body.
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To Holschlag and many in the unit, Miller was their "boy," their "kid," and in his sudden death, the good-hearted but awkward young man was mourned as a family member. "You live on top of each other. You get used to working together . . . then you go out one day and -- boom -- he's gone," she says.

"In 2 1/2 seconds, for no particular reason, because we found their weapons cache, they took him out," she says. "And never again will John Wayne Miller steal my Pepsi."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/19/AR2005061900928_pf.html



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anarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:14 AM
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1. Neither does any other U.S. military force. n/t
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:18 AM
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2. I agree, they don't belong there
The guard unit from my home county was called up. It was the first time since WWII, I think. This terrible war does not compare to the past wars. This just seems like the pres. little sandbox.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:20 AM
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3. they belong here for national emergencies.
Like riots, earthquakes, floods, terrorist attacks. Where will we be if one of these happens, and they are in a foreign country?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:29 AM
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4. Sad
why would anyone enlist at all after this mess? We'll be lucky to have a standing army left...
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:50 AM
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6. Remember this quote from the 2000 debate?
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:47 AM
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5. Bush uses them so his being in The Guard sounds "braver" than it was.
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 09:48 AM by Mugsy
Before Bush, the National Guard was the place influential politicians could safely put their sons during wartime to avoid serving overseas while still posing as "patriotic". It certainly was not viewed as "brave" to be in the guard during wartime.

Bush sent the guard into a foreign war for three reasons:

One, because NG troops only get paid about 40% as much as regular Army, allowing him to run the war on the cheap (if you can call $300B "cheap"), and Two, actually sending NG troops into battle allows Bush to suggest of his own time in the Guard: "See how easily I could have been sent into battle? Being in the Guard during Vietnam doesn't mean I wasn't in danger."
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 09:52 AM
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7. That's why I'm not too worried about an Iran invasion...
I think the Guard is close to mutiny as it is, and being ordered to invade Iran might push them over the edge.

Redstone
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