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dzika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:52 AM
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MSNBC: Hardball Special Report on DSM tonight at 7 PM ET - (GRAPHIC)
June 20, 2005

ON HARDBALL TONIGHT
• Monday, 7 p.m. ET

Does the "Downing Street Memo" prove America was misled about the need for war in Iraq? Join Chris for a Hardball special report.


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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:54 AM
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1. I hope its not an adminstration love-fest.
but I will watch
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:54 AM
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2. I suspect it will be
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:55 AM
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4. Really.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:54 AM
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3. This Promises to be Real Interesting. Let's See If He Hardballs
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 10:55 AM by AuntiBush
Dems & us, or is really a mouthpiece for the regime.
Thanks for the headsup.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:57 AM
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5. Thanks...I'll be watching!
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:22 PM
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32. Read this Yahoo article -- CONYERS vs WASHINGTON POST
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/13617;_ylt=AiTPYu6G_sIzrcITKnf8e6qs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2bm5xNHVjBHNlYwNtcA--

<SNIP>

Last week, when the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, Michigan Democrat John Conyers, chaired an extraordinary hearing on what has come to be known as the "Downing Street Memo"--details of pre-war meetings where aides to British Prime Minister Tony Blair discussed the fact that, while the case for war was "thin," the Bush Administration was busy making sure that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy"--the Post ridiculed Conyers and the dozens of other members of Congress who are trying to get to the bottom of a scandal that former White House counsel John Dean has correctly identified as "worse than Watergate."

Post writer Dana Milbank penned a snarky little piece that, like similar articles in the New York Times and other "newspapers of record," displayed all the skepticism regarding Bush Administration misdeeds that one might expect to find in a White House press release.

To his credit, Conyers hit back.

"Dear Sirs," Conyers began, "I write to express my profound disappointment with Dana Milbank's June 17 report, 'Democrats Play House to Rally Against the War,' which purports to describe a Democratic hearing I chaired in the Capitol yesterday. In sum, the piece cherry-picks some facts, manufactures others out of whole cloth, and does a disservice to some 30 members of Congress who persevered under difficult circumstances, not of our own making, to examine a very serious subject: whether the American people were deliberately misled in the lead up to war. The fact that this was the Post's only coverage of this event makes the journalistic shortcomings in this piece even more egregious.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~>>>READ THE REST OF THE ARTICLE -- CONYERS IS GREAT!!!!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:57 AM
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6. how many neo-freaks will he have on to "discuss" it?
I am sure it will be a fair and balanced program. :eyes:
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:01 AM
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7. Don't like the prospect of watching the tweety drool on himself
(that loose spit ball continually dripping from his lip turns me off; sorry, a personal thing...) but we bitch when the msm doesn't cover these things so I suppose I'll watch.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:01 AM
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8. "Does the DSM prove"? "Separate fact from fabrication..."
All they need is headlines like these to plant that seed of doubt in most American's minds. They have already rendered the truth impotent.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 02:27 PM
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45. I agree--these questions are polarizing--he needs to look at the evidence
the accumulating evidence--the Dms's being the latest to come to light.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:02 AM
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9. We'll all know how rev'd the CSN propaganda machine is after this one.
We should use this as a metric of just how effective the neoconster Corporate Scumbag News is in spewing propaganda.



"... we sent our young people into harm's way without leveling with the American people." - Congresswoman Pelosi before Congress, 16 June 2005



Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Impeachment of Bush and Cheney; indictment and prosecution of all members of the Bush regime who participated in the deception, should be campaign promises of any candidate worthy of our vote in the 2006 Congressional elections.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:03 AM
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10. "Special Report" = "Damage Control"
Let's hope this will be a real look at the DSM but I'm not counting on it, considering it will be on Hardball.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:06 AM
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11. Why Am I Not Excited About This?
Chris Matthews is not my first choice, in fact he is after my last choice.

I would like to see CBS and Dan Rather tackle this story. I believe Dan has earned the right to investigate and report the DSM and he will do it truthfully.....
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:10 AM
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14. Because it's just old news that the Liberals are using for pure politics.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:17 AM
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18. News may be old, but the proof of it is BRAND NEW
We can now prove what was happening, not just speculate and that makes this a new story.. Brand New Proof of a conspiracy is news and this one is NEW NEWS.....
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:48 PM
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37. Good comeback. I hope Chris or some commentators point that out.
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irancontra Donating Member (689 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:07 AM
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12. I refuse to watch Tweety....
He has always gotten my hopes up about the night's topic, then has people like Dana Rohrbacker, Duncan hunter & ken mehlman on with 1/2 a soft dempundit to discuss "whether the administration lied" HAH! BULLSHIT.

BULL-SHIT TWEETY. The day you have Randi Rhodes, Mike Malloy, or alex jones on your show.... call me.

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:08 AM
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13. if the past is any indication it will be a circle jerk for the pugs
with some weak input from a lieberman clone.
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:16 AM
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17. Well, don't you know...
the typical Republican line is that - "the 9/11 Commission, the Robb-Silberman Report and the Senate Intelligence Committee already investigated this question - and found the Bush Administration completely innocent of any wrong-doing?" (Except for the fact that none of the reports or commissions even bothered to ask that question?)

Everyone please get familiar with resources like the Media Matters Debunking of Ken Mehlman, and get your email client ready to blast Mr. Matthews with some actual truth. It's gonna be a long night...for him!

Vyan
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:44 AM
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26. welcome to du Vyan nt
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:12 AM
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15. No thanks
He is going to spout rove talking points. Not interested.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:15 AM
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16. I wonder which RW WH talking heads he will have on
to poo-poo the minutes? We already know it won't be a "legitimate" investigative piece. If he has Greg Palast, Ray McGovern, John Conyers or Joe Wilson on...then I'll watch. I'm not holding my breath.

HOWEVER, I am thankful it's at least getting a "mention" on TV. That's something.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:35 PM
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34. If another pack of lies in an attempt to discredit the truth is
"thank God we're getting some press on this", I say "who needs it"?
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Stirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:18 AM
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19. Anybody else think the "fabrication" part will be
Edited on Mon Jun-20-05 11:19 AM by Stirk
Chris Matthews valiantly trying discern whether or not the DSM is a fabrication, and then finally deciding that the truth is somewhere in between?
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:20 AM
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20. and IF it really was HARDBALL his guests would be
Robert Novak and Joe Wilson. I wont hold my breath.

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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:20 AM
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21. I want to see the 'lineup' for the panel
I can't find the lineup. Here's my guesses.

Hmmm....

Tony Blakely :puke:
The lady from the NY Post :banghead:
Andrea Mitchell :eyes:
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:23 AM
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22. Yes, of course Andrea Mitchell, she just did a DSM piece for Newsweek
think he invited Sheehan? Nope.
Gee - maybe Milbank will be there.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:35 AM
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25. *slap forehead* I forgot about Milbank!
Boot the NY Post lady; Milbank sits in for fair and balanced discussion.

They've been trying to give Andrea Mitchell a little trip down memory lane with the DSM story. She's not quite in the trenches the same as she was with Watergate though. (Whenever Matthews asks her about Social Security, I want to wring his neck! Her hubby is Greenspan for Chrissakes!!)
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:25 AM
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23. The "fabrication" line troubles me.
And hopefully this isn't a sign that they take the "faked memos" story going around seriously.

All they need to do is bring up the "Some people say these were forged" crap enough times and the stroy starts to lose credibility.

The spin is what they're best at.
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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:04 PM
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30. Exactly. This WON'T be about the CONTENT of
the DSM, but rather I'm sure it will be about the validity of DSM. And you're right, they'll mention Dan Rather and say the DSM is a hoax.

http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues/673103
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:25 AM
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24. Tweety is
a fluffer's fluffer.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:53 AM
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28. good one nt
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:46 AM
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27. Matthews will have his LAST chance with this story to prove
that he is not just a gift-wrapped decorated piece of administration propaganda. We will see, I'm giving him a shot but ....
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SeattleRob Donating Member (893 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:59 AM
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29. No expeectations here for an honest examination of the DSM
Tweety will and "liberal" panelists like Andrea(Mrs. Alan Greenspan) Mitchell and Dana Milbank will conclude that people concerned about the DSM are a bunch of whacky conspiratorial liberals.

Maybe someone should do a poll thread on this?
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:16 PM
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31. NeoCon whitewash. Pablum for the masses.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:33 PM
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33. Didn't he come up with the multiple definitions for the word "fix"
as in "to fix the intelligence"?
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:40 PM
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35. I think the whole show will be focused on that one word-"fixed"
and how many ways one can spin it so that it really doesn't mean what we know it means

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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:43 PM
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36. Watch for the SOFTBALL!! Mathews is huge disappointment. Mathews will
never ask the tough follow up questions that need to be asked. He'll ask the question and the bend over and take the answer.
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CantGetFooledAgain Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:54 PM
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38. He should have Karen Kwiatkowski on
...or Conyers, or any of the panelists from Thursday.

But he won't.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 01:47 PM
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43. No,he won't.
He wouldn't DARE have anyone on with any credibility,or with a working brain. It will be just another attempt to shut this thing down once and for all.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 12:58 PM
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39. Some paint jobs are just bigger than others...
but the secret is in the prep work. And the prep work for this whitewashing has been months in the making.

Remember how long they had to prepare for the 9/11 whitewash?
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 01:37 PM
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40. You can bet that this is a rightwing lovefest tonight.........
ALL CONservatives on....no dems,unless it's that two-faced nutcase Joe Biden or Joe LIEberman to "battle it out about the DSM" making damn sure before the show is over that it's understood that this is a political ploy coming from the "Losing" dems and that these memos are "old news",nothing new,nothing there. It's all done for "political purposes" by the dems because of the upcoming elections. "The dems are power hungry and will do anything to win". I don't even have to watch that foaming at the mouth Chrissy Matthews to know this is a show done for the repukes for damage control..... Moving on..... :puke:
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 01:40 PM
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41. Discussed by his panel of Pat Buchanan, Joe Scarborough & Tucker Carlson
with Republican Pat & "moderates" (cough, gag) Scarborough & Carlson for balance. Isn't that what they paint Scarborough & Carlson as?



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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 01:44 PM
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42. watch this only at your own peril or if you are a masochist
Tweety will be on full felatio mode the two bit media whore he is.

DSM be 'over' in one or two newscycles.
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 01:53 PM
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44. I can't make myself watch that sham
I'll be on DU looking for your reportage...
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 02:29 PM
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47. IMUS already said that TWeety has "no control of content"...GE does
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 02:28 PM
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46. I'm not holding my breath
I tired of his show. I used to watch it around last November but after a while it got so boring. He doesn't play hardball or anything like that. He acts like he does but it's just that: an act. I don't expect him to do anything about this minutes (not memo) on his show tonight.
:boring:
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 02:52 PM
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48. I caught a few minutes of him by mistake last week
Fawning over Rice. At one point, he suggested to her that "fixed" might have some different meaning in the UK than how we use it.

I won't be watching him. He's too hard on my stomach.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:02 PM
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49. I say we flood the coward with e-mails challenging him to DO HIS JOB!
Let him know that he and his show have been "put on notice"...we are watching and we will hold him accountable for his actions. "Professional integrity is the cornerstone of a journalists credibility." This is straight from the SPJ Code of Ethics. Let's see how strictly he adheres to the Society's principles and standards of practice. It's all about accountability!

peace.
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:07 PM
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50. "prove America was mislead"
Try fucking lied to. Enough with the nice words tell it for what it really is, a LIE!!!!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:08 PM
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51. Keith Olbermann Has Higher Ratings Than Chris Matthews Now.
Ha! Perhaps Matthews is a wee bit jealous, huh?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:13 PM
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52. I'm sure this will not be worth watching...let's see...discredited report
because it's a copy...we already knew this therefore it doesn't count...focus on the planning of the war rather than the illegality of it.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:32 PM
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53. This will be the ACID test as to who Tweedy is. We will see.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 03:35 PM
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54. You can email the show at hardball@msnbc.com. Let 'em know what you expect
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