DSM -Tempest in a Teapot - David Kay

[merbex]

Let's not have someone like Ray McGovern or Bonifaz on to rebut these guys

Liars, liars. liars

[zoeb]

1. Kay...still the liar

most of the WMD "fixing" came from his reports.

[cynatnite]

3. Before the war he swore the WMD was there

Then when he came back he said 'we were wrong'. No WMD. I thought it was rather brave of him to say so since he's such a bushite.

[merbex]

7. I'm getting so cynical I'm starting to think we couldn't spare

any troops for searching for phantom WMD that we knew didn't exist anyway

By saying they weren't there we redployed the troops where we needed them

[EVDebs]

11. The UN stuff was always about having an excuse to go in...

There never was an exit strategy or justification to stay and occupy Iraq, which is the REAL sticking point of the Downing Street Minutes.

DSM is proof we were planning, and still plan on, STAYING.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/071703.c_.shtml
and
http://www.judicialwatch.org/cases/93/doefinal.htm

DOE and Cheney Energy Policy group from 2001 documents.

DSM will ultimately lead ('follow the cookie crumbs') to 9-11-01 and the events of that day.

[BattyDem]

2. If it's a "tempest in a teapot"

why is every RW pundit talking about it and insisting that it's nothing. If it's nothing, they wouldn't feel the need to discredit it! :eyes:

[DemBones DemBones]

4. I love how they claimed that "the British meaning is different"

when the story was broken by a BRITISH reporter in a BRITISH newspaper.

Some people. . . :eyes:

[mzmolly]

5. I know. Where was the rebuttal? They had two Bush apologists on to

discuss the memo, and basically poo poo the whole thing.

[spanone]

6. I'd like to watch him say this to the dead soldiers families.

[cry baby]

8. he just did, unfortunately

[Donailin]

9. General Electric

makes the bombs that blow up in the wars that George Bush gets us into that are packaged and sold on MSNBC that is owned by General Electric

They won't shoot themselves in the foot.

i could just scream

[DubyaSux]

10. Objective? Huh?

Weren't both, at some point in time, on the White House payroll? I know Woosley has done groundwork for the White House, but I thought Kay was appointed by Bush. There was hardly anything objective in that interview.

[creeksneakers2]

12. Some points that aren't being made

1. The sentence before the sentence with FIXED in it is more telling.

"Bush wanted to remove Saddam by military action, JUSTIFIED by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD."

Bush didn't want to remove Saddam because of terrorism and WMD, he wanted to JUSTIFY the removal.

The next sentence uses the word FIXED.

I don't think this is about lying about WMD. Lying about WMD was an issue that came afterwards. Bush's stated reason for the war was:

Saddam could give WMD to terrorists who would attack America.


That threat shows the conjunction between WMD and terrorism. It uses terrorism even though the Brits discounted it. Bush wasn't even telling the Brits about fears of terrorism. He was telling them about the best way to sell the war.

Bush's far fetched threat was obviously concocted. People at the time asked, "If Saddam wanted to do this, and could do this, why hasn't he done it?" Others asked why he would need terrorists at all if he wanted to attack America. We've since learned that Bush actually had almost no evidence of any link between Saddam and terrorism. Terrorism was thrown into the concocted threat because it was a selling point.

I think that was what the fixing was about. Viewed as a plan for this far fetched threat, the memos fit better with the known outcome.

2. On the subject of Bush issuing ultimatums, I haven't heard anybody mention that Bush didn't just demand inspectors be let in, he demanded that Saddam turn over enormous stockpiles of weapons. There was very little to back up that Saddam had this amount of weapons. The NIE said he could have up to that many. UNMOVIC said that many were unnacounted for. The amount Bush demanded was the most he could possibly demand. It is more likely that Bush demanded more than he thought Saddam could deliver precisely because Saddam could not possibly comply.

The response so far from the Bush cabal about the memos is, "Yes, but after that we went to the UN and tried the peaceful route." I think if it could be proven that Bush knew Saddam has less WMD than the ultimatum demanded, that would prove that Bush made the ultimatum in bad faith to satisfy the Brits.