Photos of weapons planted on dead Iraqi teens?

[danostuporstar]

Sorry if this has been posted here already. A user at MetaFilter has published photos which may show Iraqi "insurgents," kids, before and after having weapons placed near their bodies.

The MetaFilter discussion is at http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/42918 and the original page is at http://cryptome.org/bkz/buhriz-kill01.htm. Warning: the cryptome link is DISTURBING.

[wakeme2008]

1. Very slow to load

the one that gets me is the nude boy. In the first picture no weapons and with his pants on. In the next two, no pants and weapons.. And what was that troop doing around his privates....

[SouthernDem2004]

2. Possible answer:

The troops moved the weapons prior to the arrival of the photographer.

You do not want to leave weapons laying on the ground. Heck, the person may not be dead. One of the first things we are trained to do after a battle is police up the weapons.

[wtmusic]

3. And then moved them back again?

That is a very sweet coverup. I suppose soldiers aren't specifically trained to plant them, are they?

[SouthernDem2004]

4. Staging things for photo ops isnt something new. That does not

mean the weapons did not belong to the dead guys. It just means they moved them and then put them back once someone wished to take photos.

[wtmusic]

5. And the kid with his pants pulled down

let me see...he must have been taking a dump while shooting an RPG at our boys. They pulled his pants back up for the AP picture, but for more realism they pulled them back down later..

this is kinda fun! :puke:

[Bravo411]

6. It looked like a medic was working on him. n/t

[wtmusic]

9. Yes, possibly trying to resuscitate his genitals. nt

[SouthernDem2004]

13. Most likely looking for wounds. /nt

[Bravo411]

8. Excellent point.

What they need is photographers on the ground willing to go in with the troops to take pics right away. That is if the military would let that happen.

[Bravo411]

7. It did look like the same weapons in every photo.

The site was slow loading, and I had to re-load a couple times to get all the images.

I doesn't surprise me that weapons were dropped for the pics. Have you ever noticed that "Suspected Insurgents" is used when they talk about how many they killed. It's probably because they don't really know if they were insurgents or not, but saying "Innocent By-standards" doesn't go over well with the people back home.

[spacelady]

10. Please have mercy on me if I'm wrong, but these people in the photos

look more staged than dead. I only saw the before photos, the after photos with weapons did not load.

On Edit: The weapon shots did show up, and I am still skeptical.
there is very little smudge, mess & bloody grass. More observations upon request.

[Richard Steele]

12. Saw ALL the Photos & need to agree with SPACELADY.....

A: Every one of those looks STAGED.
The "corpses" look like they were POSED; nothing like the REAL photos of corpses I have seen. Photos from this war, or any other in the last 163 years.

B: IMO, the weapons in the photos were placed carefully, NOT dropped unexpectedly by someone carrying them.
The long grass around them indicates that they were positioned slowly from above, with no bouncing or rolling into their current position.

C: RE: The kid with his pants cut off.
The soldiers in that photo are applying "first aid", and are almost finished, (field dressing on right leg, soldier almost finished with dressing + splint on left)

That being said, the weapons next to him are PLANTED FOR THE PHOTO.
Because NO ONE in their right mind would start dressing an ENEMYs wounds while the kid still had a frickin' ROCKET LAUNCHER within arm's reach!
...................................................
Final Thought: WHERE'S the BLOOD?

Human beings killed with bullets DO NOT simply gasp and fall down neatly like in the movies.

We BLEED...We bleed A LOT.

Six quarts of blood is enough to paint half your house...
And a human body with wounds like the ones in those photos
would have "painted" the landscape for a few feet around,
in the time before the heart finally stopped pumping.

My conclusion: Photos were POSED.

[okieinpain]

11. one question I have is were are the masks, and one statement

if these kids are the ones that have killed 1700 of our soldiers then we are in deep doo-doo.

[danostuporstar]

14. I wonder where Hersh got the soccer story

It's too bad he doesn't feel comfortable publishing it (but I'm sure there's good reasons why not). How can we find out more about "1st Lt. Terry 'T.J.' Grider's platoon -- 1st Infantry Division troops based out of FOB Gabe"?

Even in the best case scenario -- these boys were indeed terrorists and those weapons were indeed theirs -- this is a horrible thing, the direct result of Bushco's imperialism.