ALL occupiers use the "we can't leave, we have to fix our mess" excuse.

[LynnTheDem]

Ask the UK about their first attempt to occupy Iraq;

Within six months, Britain was fighting a military insurrection in Iraq and David Lloyd George, the prime minister, was facing calls for a military withdrawal.

"Is it not for the benefit of the people of that country that it should be governed so as to enable them to develop this land which has been withered and shrivelled up by oppression? What would happen if we withdrew?"

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6337.htm

So the Iraqis kicked the UK out. After a whole lot of Iraqis' and UK troops' deaths. And not a civil war in sight.

Bush and Blair continue to peddle the myth, beloved of old colonialists, that Iraqis will start a civil war if the "benevolent" presence of the occupation forces is removed.

It is the US-led presence itself which is dividing Iraqis now. The US is deepening a split between a minority for and an overwhelming majority against the US-led forces.

http://www.countercurrents.org/iraq-ramadani030704.htm

The Shia/Sunni rift is largely a CIA generated myth. There are countless tribes and marriages alike that are both Shia/Sunni. There are mosques here where they pray together.

There is the possibility of war if the Kurds go independent, but the more likely possibility of that war would be Turkey invading Kurdistan before any Shia/Sunni action would occur regarding this.

Another Iraqi man pointed out that if there were a civil war, no Shia or Kurdish attack on Fallujah could ever possibly compare to the devastation the US military has caused there.

I think he makes a good point.

http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/20669

The Bush administration has promoted the idea that Iraq will descend into civil war and chaos without the occupation. This argument is no more credible than the “terrorist base” argument.

Unlike the United States, Iraq has never had a full-fledged civil war. There have been various revolts and revolutions, but never a full-fledged civil war on the scale of the American civil war. This propaganda about the inevitability of civil war if the US pulls out plays off stereotypes and prejudices many Americans have about “third world” peoples – that “they” are extremely unstable, have lots of civil wars, frequent coups and major ethnic tensions. Such stereotypes simply do not apply to Iraq.

http://question-everything.mahost.org/Socio-Politics/Iraq.html

[SaveAmerica]

1. Baghdad Bush: for all the people who voted for him so he can

clean up his mess, give him a broom, a parachute and drop him into Iraq.

[LynnTheDem]

3. Now that would be a plan I suspect a whole lot of Iraqis would approve of.

I know I'd approve of it.

Oh yeah.

[bicentennial_baby]

2. On this we agree, Lynn

Cheers! :toast:

[HysteryDiagnosis]

4. Ben Franklin seemed to think that we deserve what we have

received. I kinda liked old Ben... but this quote gives me the creeps..... then again, if he were alive today... he would apply this "so corrupted" section to the neocons... that I am sure of.

We had our civil war... no one interfered. We beat the crap out of the native Americans, no one interfered. We have dropped more tonnage of tnt upon this fragile earth than any force in history, no one interferes. The Bush administration along with its ancestors needs to stop interfering with the affairs of those who sit atop natural resources, (they could have spent 200 billion on alternative energy research) and mind their own business. Genocide in Africa? No problem. Al Samoud missiles that fly 15 miles too far? Big problem. N.Korea with nukes? No problem. Iraq with a few jets buried in the sand.... big problem. Pakistan trafficking nuclear technology? No problem... Iraq minding its own business.... big problem.... I'm tired and I'm going to bed.... nitey nite.


This is likely to be administered for a course of years and then end in despotism... when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other."
Benjamin Franklin

[cynatnite]

5. I used this argument in oppostion to us going there

This was brought up prior to invasion on both CNN and MSNBC. There were fears of a Shia/Sunni civil war that and the US would get bogged down as a result in order to stop it.

[leftchick]

6. thank you once again Lynn

no one has a pin point focus on BFEE** bullshit better than you,

Thanks you sweetie and keep em comin!

:hi:

[Just Me]

7. ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE BRINGING IN THE DOUGH.

I know all caps appear "offensive". However, these frauds have betrayed their own people, blood and bucks, right into their own pockets.

They even SACRIFICED the security of their own people in order to protect foreign interests: traitors of the first degree.

Can you believe this shit has happened,...is happening? What do you do with that? :grr: :cry: :grr: :cry:

[ladjf]

8. The Mess will improve by our departure.