The PNAC is at it again, attacking China this time

[CRYINGWOLFOWITZ]

http://www.newamericancentury.org/china-20030827.htm

This article is called "The Real Empire" and it is about the so called Chinese empire. Interesting because the communist Chinese government seems to be much more moderate and restrained than the current administration. These neocons where warning of an upcoming Cold War with China and how big of a threat they where during the 90s. Idiots never saw a country they couldn't turn into an enemy. It is well known (I can post the link if anyone wants it) that the PNAC wants, among other things, regieme change in China. This is a group of chickenshit morons, none of whom ever served, but are in love with the idea of war.

[ShaneGR]

1. Well, if we draft every male in the US

We might not have enough men to go to war with China.

[sistersofmercy]

2. 2 things: they're mad China won't back the criminal war and

China fingered the US as the reason the N Korean talks failed, said the US representative was deliberately inflammatory.

[ursacorwin]

9. kid, i think it's deeper than that

i'm not a china scholar and there are days when i really wish i was. let's look at some facts. the chinese economy is reputed to be gangbusters (for their middle class, that is) these days. whatever the case, china makes more stuff then we probably ever did, and they sell a great deal of it to the US via places like wal-mart. the economic potential of china is the thing that a lot of the PNACers are worried about, and i've read that china, not russia, was the main 'competitor nation' that they worried over when they started planning for the takeover of iraq and the rest of the oil fields of the region. control of those fields will mean literally life or death for an expanding chinese society spreading it's version of capitalism among its middle class.

then there's that whole mess with katrina leung. remember her? i never did figure out what that was all about, but it was pretty clear that at the very least, she "screwed" over a whole mess of highly placed rethugs, and probably got away with more secrets than any of our domestic traitors. the PNACers are not all wrong to think that our current "intelligence race" with the chinese isn't looking too good these days.

what about military contractors? we all know they practically run this country, and that they sell their shit to any nation that suits them, regardless of how that nation may stand on the colorwheel of evil. what would happen if a strong chinese military group were able to sell their weapons cheaper, and with less concern for american interests, than our military people can? it seems likely, in that there's practically nothing americans make that the chinese can't make for less.

and finally there's the whole sphere of influence idea. japan's hypercapitalist governments have basically ruined its expansionist dreams, they've had to prop up their economy artificially for years at the direct cost of productivity and innovation. that only leaves the chinese to direct the markets over there, and with their cheap (prison) labor, they represent an enormous threat to pan-japanese long term interests.

i'm sure there's a lot more, but in summary- i'm saying that PNAC or no, China really does represent a great challenge to the idea of american imperialism and dominance. no matter how we feel about our current gov't, sensible china policy is something we should all be concerned with, and sooner rather than later.

and don't even get me started with the Rev Moon/Korea/Rethug connections...that's really scary!

[sistersofmercy]

10. First of all, I'm not a "kid", secondly, I'm well aware of the issues with

China. I was merely commenting on what I perceive as the most recent differences with the US.

[Caution]

3. The commies are coming the commies are coming!

PNAC is a little worried by how quickly Iraq's regime fell and if they get their $87 billion they might be able to finish the job. And since they all read and agreed with 1984 they need to find the next big enemy.

[ixion]

6. They don't want a 'big' enemy...

they want a soverign nation that is in poor condition that they can demonize. The talk about China is, IMHO, pure hubris and bluster. There is no way in hell we would ever think about invading China. At least there wasn't until a couple years ago. I guess I shouldn't put anything beyond them in that regard.
'Cause they're just plain nuts. :crazy:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

4. check out this thread...something has been brewing with China for awhile

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=111&topic_id=5907#6973

[Capt_Nemo]

5. There is an ancient chinese proverb that says:

Bring them on!

[meegbear]

7. Don't forget when * begged for an apology from them ...

for the plane incident. The testosterone's kicking in and he wants REVENGE!!!

[BeFree]

8. China is the biggest target left

China is the only power who can really threaten the US. The rest of the world are mere terrorists when compared to China. We have but two choices: Make peace with China or fight WW3. PNAC is on an inside track to WW3. As soon as PNAC begins to cut off the oil to China, get ready to duck and cover.

PNAC is why we are in Iraq. PNAC is an enemy of the people. We will have to end PNAC soon. That is our greatest battle.

Peace