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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:39 PM
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Does anybody have a good theory on why Bolton is so damn important???
I'm finding myself asking questions analogous to the ones I was asking during the Gannon saga: "If they wanted a bootlicker in the WH, any Freeper would have been happy to oblige. And most Freepers don't have such obvious skeletons in the closet as Gannon does -- so what the hell were they thinking?". Similarly, couldn't they have put up any ole PNAC freakazoid to do their bidding at the UN? Why does it have to be somebody like Bolton, who has "political disaster" written all over his forehead? Couldn't they have put, I dunno, Perle or somebody there to help make UN the imperial rubberstamp of the US? We all know that Neocons function as a cabal, a group, and not as individuals; so why does it really matter to them if it's Bolton himself?
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Wildewolfe Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:41 PM
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1. Because most of them lack brains and balls
... bolton hasn't got the brains god gave a slug, but he's got the bravado to press people....
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:54 PM
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29. Hardly. They are extremely calculative and intelligent,...
,...and tyrannical. Bolton is being positioned to defeat the body which stands in the neoCONs way of global fascism: the United Nations. It's really that simple.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:55 PM
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31. Bingo.
We really need to stop falling for the "they're stupid and incompetent" trap.
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Wildewolfe Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:05 PM
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45. ok let me rephrase
Treating your subordinates like total crap and bullying your way through your job to me are not signs of intelligence. You can achieve much more simply by not doing that.

He may be crafty, he may be sneaky, he may be effective in the agenda that he is assigned to do, but intelligent, as I define it, he ain't.

He's a total ASS.

Believe me I don't sell him short but I don't credit what's not there either.

Anyone can be a bully... Boltan cannot be a DIPLOMAT.

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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:08 PM
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46. I personally wasn't exclusively talking about Bolton --
I was talking about "most of them". Bush sure ain't smart, and it wouldn't surprise me if Bolton were a stupid fuck either. But Neocons, as a group, as an entity with an agenda, are far, far from stupid. Take your own metric and look at the results of what they've accomplished for themselves, and that's all you need. They use stupid but loyal patsies all the time, that's one of their signature tactics.
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Wildewolfe Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:13 PM
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50. agreed
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 08:37 PM
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68. immunity fron war crimes for bolton!!
thats what i think!!
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 08:43 PM
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69. You have trifecta in stupid
dub, bolton and frist. Throw in lieberman and you have a quadfecta or whatever? dubby told frist to get back in there and push bolthead and Destroy the UN.
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dooner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:35 PM
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81. more like an Infecta! n/t
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:34 AM
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87. yes..
a very bad, itchy one!
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:23 AM
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102. That's what it is
Seems that it's been around for going on 5 years.
We may need to call the doctor----Dean!
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:32 AM
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85. yep,
that's the way it seems to be shaping up.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:41 PM
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2. He knows and has documented where
a good many of the bodies are buried.
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centristo Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:42 PM
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3. because the far-right wing hates the UN and
they want someone who is going to bend the UN to America's will. In that respect, Bolton was the best choice.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:42 PM
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5. Oh I'm sure there's plenty more where he came from...
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 05:22 PM by Goldmund
...who would be willing to "bend the UN to America's will".
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:54 PM
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28. The UN will never bend to Bolton - that's just ridiculous. If anything,
they will do just the opposite and eventually throw our butts out of there.
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:58 PM
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35. That's Right - Without Him There, We Can't Invade Iran
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:37 AM
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88. sez who?
I'm sorry, but the U.N. was poo pooed when the Iraq invasion was about to go down. Why not the same thing with Iran? We're saving the world from tyranny, after all. :sarcasm:
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:59 PM
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36. Ding ding ding!
ya got it in one.
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:59 PM
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37. That's Right - Without Him There, We Can't Invade Iran
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:29 PM
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53. Not really
I think it's clear he is a very unpopular choice. He thus is going to have the ear of no one in the UN. He is thus going to have no power other than America's veto power. Basically if they wanted someone that was going to bend the UN to America's will they would have put someone in there that was... well likable. Win or lose the Dems have internationally exposed Bolton. So he's DOA already. The President couldn't have picked a worse person to the UN if he really wanted UN change. Conclusion he doesn't want UN change. He could care less about the UN. He has no idea how to use the UN and doesn't have the need to use it. This is just a middle finger to liberals. No more, no less.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:40 AM
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89. that too makes sense
I can't decide. This is a great thread! I'll just lurk over here in the corner and shout encouragement from time to time.


:popcorn:



:applause:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:32 PM
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80. Yes, exactly
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 11:33 PM by FreedomAngel82
They hate the UN because it stops them from doing their sick "let's take over the world" plan. Without the UN they're free to do whatever the hell they want. I think they're going to try to use Bolton to try to discredit the Un even more and then ultimatley destroy it.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:42 PM
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4. Nope, this is pure PNAC agenda, and bolton is their man
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:43 PM
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6. Sharp stick meets eye.
*² probably didn't even know who Bolton was..He was just told that this was one guy who would ruffle Dem feathers the most..ansd they could ram him through and "show them who's boss".
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:43 PM
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7. Broke the law for Bush is my best guess...
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:45 PM
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9. Agree
I think Bolton has something on them.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:42 AM
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90. skeleton?
shady past? Where's the dirt?
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:12 PM
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104. Getting people fired for not
fixing the intellegence in the manner he desired...

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:44 PM
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8. Maybe a deal. He did them some underhanded favors and
they need to repay him. He wants to destroy the UN and probably sees this as his opportunity.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:42 AM
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91. right, after hiscomments about the U.N.
he's definitley got a hard on for it.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:45 PM
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10. Bolton is their insulation against war crimes charges
The Bushies are not ignoring the talk of war crimes. The idea is that they need a bulldog lawyer to keep the rope off their neck.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:46 PM
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12. If so,
why not get another bulldog lawyer, who doesn't have the public track record of Bolton?
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:50 PM
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23. Bolton hates the UN
for him it would be blood sport. His diplomatic performance is unimportant to the neocons.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:53 PM
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27. My point is,
he's not the only one who hates the UN. They easily could have gotten a UN hater who doesn't at the same time have such a public history of being a schoolyard bully, who didn't make such public statements of hatred for the UN ("if they blew 12 or 13 floors off the UN building"...), etc. :)
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:48 PM
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18. "...they need a bulldog lawyer to keep the rope off their neck." Yeap.
Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - WE THE PEOPLE....MUST FILE CHARGES AGAINST THE WAR CRIMINALS; IT'S THE LAW, STUPID
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:11 PM
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62. That's why the repug congress passed the law authorizing Hague attacks.
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 06:15 PM by progressivebydesign
Remember a few years back? The repug controlled Congress passed a bill authorizing the use of OUR military to free any American held for war crimes at the Hague (or is it Hauge?). Seriously. I'll see if I can dredge that up...

Edit with Link on the American Servicemen's Protection Act, passed in 2002 (and authored by Jesse Helms):http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/S/Se/Servicemens_Protection_Act.htm

Read it and weep.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:44 AM
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92. Good point
Look at Gonzalez, who's living large now. He twisted the wording so POWs were no longer POWs. He got his reward.
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:46 PM
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11. PNAC wants him to begin the war on Iran immediately.
Bolton is just some psycopathic stooge who you can get to do whatever you want.

Basically they will use him to twist the facts asap and get to war with Iran, before all of them go down in a blazing fire.....
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:48 PM
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59. nope not a stooge.. one of the original signatories
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 05:49 PM by annabanana
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:22 PM
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63. very interesting letter...
man, they have wanted Iraq for some time...
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 07:33 PM
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66. Oh yes they have....
(if you read further into their site and history, you will find that they admitted that it would be difficult to "bring the American people" to agree, barring some sort of new "Pearl Harbor")

I'm sure someone here can find the original source.

Welcome to DU and happy digging..
:toast:
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:50 AM
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94. This will require a full complement of diplomatic,
political and military efforts.

A full compliment has been implemented.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:26 AM
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83. If you want more insight into PNAC
Check out the link in my sig line. Guaranteed to blow you away!



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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:47 PM
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13. corruption needs corrupt people (they know where the bodies are buried)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:47 PM
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14. He has information that "others" would not want to be made public...
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 04:47 PM by kentuck
including the White House. Especially the White House.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:47 PM
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15. IMHO Bolton is his first step into Iran and it is running late..
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:49 PM
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I agree with you
I think that's definitely a big reason. I'm still not clear, though, on why it has to be Bolton himself and it can't be anybody else. I mean, according to your own theory, their war plans for Iran are running late because they chose Bolton and not somebody more, um, discrete.
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:52 PM
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24. Bolton is the clown who can sell the idea...
Using the best three-ring circus to justify the means and pay off the participants.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:49 PM
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19. I agree... n/t
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:08 PM
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47. I love your cartoon! n/t
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:52 AM
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95. they need more troops
will there be a draft? Or is the new restructuring meant to take care of that?
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:47 PM
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16. They are planning to disassemble the UN
Bolton is an inside job and owes a lot to * they will get their job accomplished once Bolton gets in to blame all the other countries for being corrupt. Plus he can hide the 9 billion missing $.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:49 PM
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21. All of the above
and give Bush and his crew carte blance to invade Iran and any other country he wants.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 08:46 PM
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70. They're planning to LIE to the UN...wait...oh, you mean the REAL meaning
of disassemble. :D
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:55 AM
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96. I won't do it, I tell you!
a lot of posters use an * for DUH-bya, like his holy name can't be uttered or written. I know it's not about respect or reverence, though.

He'll not get that from me. He's DUH-bya now, and ever will be.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:48 PM
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17. Because being hardheaded is a sign of strength
to the religiously insane who think that if evil liberals oppose the guy he must be fine and dandy and bush will do whatever his owners want him to do. That, or bolton is blackmailing him. Either way there is nothing honorable in bush actions (for the past 50 years.)
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:57 AM
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97. oh yeah...
and if he's especially stupid and goes on with his plan regardless of what anyone else thinks, he's their man!

I actually watched DUH-bya say he knew his decisions weren't popular, but that he had the will of the people behind him.

He was still high from the coke after his second 'election' at the time.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:49 PM
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20. Country-be-damned, George W. Bush CANNOT LOSE!
Dammit!
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:59 AM
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98. I am sincerely afraid
when someone as insane as DUH-bya and Co. can hijack the American govt. and have their way with her! This is crazy!!


:wtf:
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:50 PM
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22. Because he is the onje who identified Plame to the White House
There is a war aginst the career CIA guys who seperate politics from information. Those people fought back with Wilson. Bolton was involved in purging or silencing those voices. It is why the Dems want those particular intercepts. It shows that he was involved in exposing Plame to the White House who then were able to leak her name to the Press.

Bolton now has to go to the UN in order to get rid of the non partisans that work there.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:52 PM
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25. The RW wants to destroy the UN
And Bolton is the man to do it.

Which is stupid, when you think about it, because the UN can normally be counted on as a great fig leaf for U.S. conquests (except for IraqNam, which was such an insane idea that they couldn't even get the UN to vote for it)
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:55 PM
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30. I think that the RW doesn't want to destroy the UN --
-- I think it wants to turn its power structure into something resembling the current power structures of the US government, and ultimately make UN answerable to global corporate lobyists.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:24 PM
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64. It already does so, IMHO
At times reluctantly, but it goes along 99% of the time.

A platform in many republican state platforms for years has been to "get the US out of the UN". Their current alternative, stupidly, is to destroy it.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:53 PM
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26. Because this is a mean bunch. Power Drunk.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:56 PM
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32. Maybe there aren't
actually that many diehard neocons, that's why they have to keep recycling them into different positions.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:56 PM
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33. I don't think it necessarily Bolton himself.
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 05:00 PM by cornermouse
Vermont has an example of what I think the problem is. They want it their way, no exceptions or modifications, and they want it now.

Vermont is an anti-death penalty state. The state made a plea deal with the defendant in the murder case. The federal government made a point of voiding that agreement and is now forcing them into going aginst their own principles and into the position of trying a death penalty case.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/1-05062005-485936.html

"It's clear that the state doesn't want it," said Allen Gilbert, executive director of the state chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union. "Yet the federal government is coming in and imposing it on us. They are imposing a system of justice we rejected."

Despite Vermont's opposition to capital punishment - and its liberal reputation as the home of gay civil unions, former Gov. Howard Dean and the only self-described socialist in Congress, Rep. Bernie Sanders - one expert said Fell could end up receiving a death sentence because jury selection in capital cases tends to favor the prosecution by weeding out death penalty foes.

"It's pretty bewildering stuff because it's such an anomaly here. It's so un-Vermont," said Michael Mello, a professor at the Vermont Law School. "I think of Vermont as having a fairly liberal-progressive, political elite."
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 04:57 PM
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34. So far, only given are reasons why someone **like** Bolton is their choice
Except for the ones who say he knows stuff, the only reasons given so far are why they want a person of Bolton's personality there, but not why, specifically, one John Bolton.

I don't think it matters that he 'knows stuff'. If that was all, there are plenty of other things they could do to pay him off/keep him quiet.

No, its something more than that. Much more. But I don't know what. I can't even speculate or imagine .... and I have a pretty fertile brain for that sorta shit.

So I'm stumped. :shrug:

Now ..... if we assume the reason they're sticking with him is asinine (and it could well be) then it is simply a matter of wanting to win. They could well be of a mindset that, while there are any number of people who could do the job, they want to get Bolton through just to clean our clocks on it. Pure, simple, unvarnished, childish vindictiveness.

In fact, maybe we've all overthought this and that really is all there is to it. It would *surely* be in keeping with idiot son's character if not the whole bunch.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:02 PM
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41. Exfuckingxactly.
The question isn't why somebody LIKE Bolton, but why Bolton himself. And I absolutely agree: "it's something more than that. Much more".

As far as "vindictiveness", I have far too much respect for the Neocons' intelligence, ruthlessness and dedication to buy that. I especially cannot buy that this vindictiveness overpowers their desire to implement their global agenda.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 01:34 AM
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99. check this out...
Bolton is up to his eyeballs in tryingto convince the world that Iran is runmning all over Iraq, and he tried to present 'intelligence' right after the Iraq intelligence debacle that CUBA had WMDs and we should declare war on them.

This guy is insane, bad news, and really has a shady past. I've been googling, and he's quite the freak. I used "Jhon Bolton + covert operation" and found some interesting articles.

here's one example:

Another key figure is John Bolton, Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security. He is truly the fox in charge of the chicken coop; he was instrumental in Washington's decision to withdraw from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty. He led the U.S. attack on the International Criminal Court. Bolton was vice-president of the American Enterprise Institute and on the boards of the avowedly racist Manhattan Institute and the New American Century. He is a long-time advocate of diplomatic recognition of Taiwan, scoffing at the notion China would respond with force. Together with Ariel Sharon, he endorsed the game plan that, after Iraq, the United States and Israel must deal militarily with Iran and Syria. Of Bolton, Jesse Helms said, " is the kind of a man with whom I would want to stand at Armageddon.


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/Iran_Contra_Israel_CA.html
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:18 AM
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101. My guess: Because Bolton is willing to do ANYTHING & will do so w/ a
VENGEANCE! That's my simple theory....Sure, there are lots of people that "know their stuff", are loyal to the President, tough, etc...But I think this man is like an assasin who has no conscience and will work overtime to search and destroy all in his path...

I also suspect that Mr Bolton is more of an "Architect" to the Neo-con agenda than just an "implementor" of policy.... :eyes:
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:00 PM
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38. Pathological Inability To Ever Admit Mistakes! Pure And Simple!
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:01 PM
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39. Only so many people can know the 'master plan'. It depends on
your character. If you are evil - they can tell you the endgame because you will like it.

I think there are about 19 neocons out there. They cannot fill many key terrorism positions because they cannot find enough evil people to implement their plans. It takes a soulless patsy to want to bully others on command. There are just not that many high level people who lack any real self-esteem. Bolton will ride in very comfortably on a complete fantasy of world domination. Just don't be there when his bubble of absolute domination bursts!! He'll chance you down a hallway or worse... that UN building is perfect. The hallways are enormously long.

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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:02 PM
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40. Not What He Knows, What He Did
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 05:03 PM by ThomWV
Bolton used the intelligence agencies for political purpose and if the names he got are released that will be shown. That is Watergate to the Nth degree. So his payoff is at the UN. Bush will make that payment by any means possible. So a recess appointment, if not done by vote at an earlier date, is a certainty.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:31 PM
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54. My bet, too, is on foregone conclusion.
Why is Bolton the particular grinch to handle this job? Although I am quite clear that truth is a total stranger, this time they are telling it while lying by limiting the details.
So far, everyone is correct: He is the right man because he is a trusted, inner-sanctum man, knows where the bodies are, both figuratively and literally, having put no small number of them there, himself.
He is mean, sharp elbowed, distrusts and even hates the UN, it's only saving grace being that the arch criminals believe it can be made over (reformed) in the image of the US government, with the empty Pinocchio at the helm and the movers and creators of reality in charge of every thing else.
The amount of damage these bastards can do with the titular head of the UN under their thumb is more than imagining.
With their policies committing hari-kari here at home, the only way for many of them to stay out of the jail house is to provoke another, even bigger world-wide crisis. There is enough trash dug up on virtually everyone at the UN that a semi palace coup, quietly done, is a painful probability.
These are the strings Bolton wields, being far too smart an operator to put himself in that position without setting up a pretty powerful palace guard of his own. The only way anyone rises in the pnac driven monarchy, or, perhaps, oligarchy, is through the accumulation of private power, security, and intelligence. No doubt he has them, in spades.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:03 PM
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42. He follows orders well and does all the dirty jobs
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distantearlywarning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:04 PM
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43. Because the Chimperor can't stand to be told no.
He's a selfish, immature person who can't compromise. He has to have his own way no matter what the cost, and throws fits like a 3 year old when it doesn't happen.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:05 PM
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44. bush is getting nervous, wants to make sure Bolton loyal
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 05:06 PM by MissWaverly
wasn't he the dove of peace that Bush sent down to Florida to make sure the recount was fair and honest, I'm sure Bolton could put his hand on the bible and tell all the rw fundies that there was never heard a discouraging word during the recount in Florida in 2000, remember the fundies, the ones who don't believe in lying, cheating and stealing
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:10 PM
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48. I think it's a perverse power play
The more that progressives complain about what a bad choice someone would make for this or that position, the more they'll fight like hell to push them through.

I don't think they give a damn about Janice Rogers Brown or John Bolton or even Alberto Gonzalez. They just put these people up for appointment, listen for the screams of disapproval and disgust and if they're loud enough, they exert MORE pressure to get them through the hearings. It's the "big swinging dick" method.

Now normal people usually expect competent people to be appointed. But in Shrub's administration, competency just doesn't appear on their radar screens. A prime example - Porter Goss. Didn't he say in an interview that he had NO qualifications to head the CIA? Then BOOM, two years later, he's got the job. Brilliant.

No, the top qualifications for ANY appointment these days is:
1.) Is he/she sufficiently loyal to the cause?
2.) Will they make the Democrats nuts? (Then we can accuse the Dems of being "obstructionist")
3.) Can we use them for a special purpose (e.g. Coal lobbyists for
EPA positions)
and
4.) You're from Texas? Well, sign here, my boy. Office is down the hall.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:47 PM
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58. That's what I was going to say, too - a childish power play
Bush has to have his way on everything. I think he picks the most extreme people for his appointments just so he can rub the noses of the Democrats in it. He doesn't care at all about qualifications...he just likes to watch the Democrats squirm.
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:11 PM
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49. Maybe he has something on Bush
Otherwise, why are they so desperate to get him confirmed?
:shrug: :shrug:
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:20 PM
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51. Election 2000
In addition to the other guesses, I'd say it's also at least partly payback time for election 2000.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:23 PM
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52. Hmm... We're getting somewhere
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:44 PM
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57. Arrogance plus all the other reasons.
The Bush Regime is addicted to power. They will do anything to gain it and maintain it. Anything!
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:06 PM
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60. Short explanation of what he did then
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0414-25.htm


Plus, Bolton isn't just *some guy*- he's one of THEM. He was an original signatory to PNAC, has been a part of the BFEE for a while now, and in their mind can bring down the UN. You have to remember that these are the same people who really want the world "policed" by the WTO, not some peace loving, Commie appeasing, French speaking, hippie organization like the UN.

Is Bolton the only one who has most of these traits? Likely not. But he's one of a select few who possesses *all* of them in one convenient package. And he knows where the bodies are buried- and that's intended more as a threat to the officials at the UN rather than Bush et al.


But then again, who really knows? It really could just be about republicans acting like 5 year olds throwing a temper tantrum because they aren't getting their way. :shrug:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 08:34 PM
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67. They want to compromise
any potential opposition to their global plans. The UN remains, no matter what republican polls say, a popular institution with the American public. It helps us connect with people in other lands. I do not think this administration wants a strong UN; I know they do not want the American anti-war forces having any connection to the UN. Bolton, besides being rewarded for previous accomplishments, is being called upon to disrupt the UN.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:35 PM
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55. I put a thread on GD today
that documents why I believe this administration is pushing Bolton as hard as they are. I think it can be traced from 1998 (actually, earlier) through the war on Iraq. I would appreciate it if you would take a look at it, and see if it offers anything of value in regard to your question.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 05:37 PM
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56. Thanks, I'd love to --
-- I'll do it as soon as I get home, I'm leaving work now... If you feel like it, pls post a link to it, if not I'll just search for it. :)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 07:30 PM
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65. I'll try to keep
both of these on or near the front page. Mine is "Bolton's Adagio in DU Minor." I think it is the only thread by that name.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:24 PM
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77. Thanks again
That's some excellent info, and definitely helps in answering "Why Bolton?". It seems like he is in the inner sanctum of the implementation aspect of the Neocon ideology.
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 08:59 PM
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72. I also put a thread on GD today that has to do with Halliburton and
the missing 8 billion dollars. Apparently the UN wants a complete audit from the administration and they need Bolton to go in and threaten the entire bunch; otherwise, I do believe Cheney will be in deep s__t.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:01 PM
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73. "Follow the money"
I believe that you are right. Bolton's goal is to disrupt the UN's ability to function.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 06:09 PM
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61. I've asked myself the same question.. it has to be something BIG
Because I have never seen such lengths to get someone nominated. That ass is another piece of the puzzle, just as getting Wolfowitz in the World Bank (WTF is up with that??), etc. I think Bolton should be rejected by virtue of his mustache and hairdo... there is NO way someone could have that look in this century and be aware of current events. He apparently stopped grooming in the 70's.
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:12 PM
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76. OMG that was funny
thank you!
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 08:48 PM
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71. Yes, it is election 2000 payback as mentioned above
Edited on Tue Jun-21-05 08:49 PM by Samantha
Bush* owes him. Bolton has to work someplace. He tried to put him at the Pentagon. Rumsfeld said no. He tried to put him in State. Rice said, not in my backyard. Bush* chose the option Nixon chose with the Senior Bush when he (Nixon) failed to deliver the vice presidency (to Bush) as promised. Nixon gave Bush an appointment to the UN.

Bolton has to work someplace ... and the UN doesn't get a vote (either up or down!). Problem solved.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:02 PM
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74. he knows where the bodies are buried. n/t
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:04 PM
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75. Iran & North Korea
Bolton gave an interview in his office sometime in the past few months. When asked what he thought should happen in the situation with North Korea Bolton launched himself out of his chair and grabbed a book off a shelf and handed it to the interviewer. The title of the book "The End of North Korea." (Sorry, no link. Information from a very reliable friend).

:kick:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:27 PM
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78. I believe it's all about Iran
He's supposed to discredit the UN even more I believe so they can go into Iran. That's my theory. Remember what he did for Iraq. This is his promotion for being a good PNACer.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:31 PM
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79. Because GWB gets what GWB wants.
It's a macho thing.

no rethinking
no compromise

remember -- he got a mandate (I don't think he was talking about gannon/guckert)

OK, so we all KNOW there never was a mandate (unless is was Geoff Gannon), but he's out to prove that he had one.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:44 PM
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82. Here are links and a thought or two.
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 12:28 AM by chknltl
http://www.stopbolton.org/why_stop_bolton.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/neo-conservatism/bolton.html
http://www.irc-online.org/content/commentary/2005/0503bolton.php
I hope these help. Perhaps the repugs see this posting as having multiple benefits. They can use Bolton in the U.N. as their man with veto power over those who would use the U.N. to look into our own human rights atrocities. Bolton can be their point man in the U.N. who trumps up phony charges against countries the repugs wish to invade such as Syria, N. Korea, Iran and Cuba. IMHO: To put things in a simple perspective, I see Bolton as a cold-war K.G.B. agent who is about to get a job at the C.I.A. as one of the movers and shakers. Now I REALLY want to see those papers that the Dems are calling for on him.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:31 AM
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84. probably
because he's one of those charge ahead, regardless of the damage type guys who seems to be so popular with this administration. A hardnosed hardass just plain ass who won't take no for an answer. Like DUH-bya.
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LunaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:33 AM
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86. PNAC World Domination

They already control the WH, Pentagon, Congress and the World Bank

The U.N. completes the Collection.

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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 01:47 AM
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100. man..
like horrific beany babies on a string...
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 12:48 AM
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93. Bolton is a magnificent RW blunt instrument
Just as Porter Goss was perfectly suited to his job of purging the CIA, Bolton is equally perfectly suited to cowing the UN. People matter. Bolton is the worst abusive manager you’ve ever heard of, multiplied by 1000. He’s brought career political operatives, diplomats and statesmen to tears with his ability to browbeat and cudgel people into line. He’s one of the best around for that type of job, as nothing seems to get to him and he can apply this type of pressure 24/7 seemingly indefinitely. He's one of the best administrative knife fighters in DC.

I think they are pushing him because, quite simply, they are compromised without his ‘special gifts’ in these and other areas. He’s not a stooge, he’s a player.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:34 AM
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103. True.
They have picked him because they are entirely confident that he can accomplish exactly what they want at the UN.
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