Bernie's ON - talking PNAC - Guest - David Phillips

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oh yeah, no commercials either...

Guest - David Phillips
Losing Iraq: Inside the Postwar Election Fiasco

http://cceia.org/viewMedia.php/prmTemplateID/8/prmID/5161

[Vanje]

1. I've just tuned in.

Bernie's guest is very insightful on Iraq......(Syria....Iran)

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2. Feith leading shadowy intelligence unit

in the basement of the Pentagon.

[FreedomAngel82]

3. Listening now

Sounds good! I enjoy Bernie.

[Cleita]

4. Sounds the same as Oliver North and the Iran Contra scam,

also very shadowy until they started hiding and shredding documents. His office was in the basement of the White House, wasn't it?

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6. at the top of the show the guest called PNAC "A Government in Exile"

Basically all of HW Bush's cronies sat around and plotted this coup after they were tossed out in Iran Contra.

[nicknameless]

5. No commercials? I'm jealous.

"Listen to this, folks..."

(gag)

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7. The AA commericals I like are

"You can't start a business without a business plan"
and "At last... My love has come along"

[nicknameless]

8. And how about the valley girls' dating service?

Can't turn off the radio fast enough! Argh!!! x(

[Gabi Hayes]

10. here's what you do with AAR.....get a little digital timer....three bucks

their breaks are:

four minutes for the first one after the news
then, six minutes (28 after til 34 after)
then, four minutes (usually 46 after)
then, eight minutes, counting the news

these are like clockwork, and almost completely accurate, as I LOATHE those commercials, and have been doing this for over a month (every DAY); I've saved limitless aggravation this way

I rarely miss more than a few seconds of the shows, too!

it's FABulous

[nicknameless]

14. Where would I find one? Any particular brand best?

If I could eliminate those horrible ads, I would be ecstatic!!! :thumbsup:
I tried a "clapper," but it went on & off with any random percussion -- not just clapping.

[Gabi Hayes]

17. I got one at bed bath and beyond. try someplace like that

I saw them at Ikea, but I ain't buying there anymore, since I heard what a Nazi the owner is

I bet office supply has them

if nothing else, keep an eye on your computer clock

it really does work timewise, especially the breaks at 28 and fifty eight after the hour; they're set in STONE

[nicknameless]

23. I REALLY appreciate your posting this info.

I'll definitely get one. The commercials on AAR are beyond horrible.
Thank you!!! :hi:

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24. I guess it's a simple kitchen timer

the bell will help...

[nicknameless]

26. Thanks :) n/t

[Gabi Hayes]

27. I'm exactly the same way.....I bought a picture in picture TV a long

time ago so I wouldn't have to sit through commercials.....just watch for the show in the little box, while something else is going on on the big part. I can hardly stand to watch/listen to anything when anybody else is around, cause commercials drive me so crazy



not that I don't have a real life, or anything

ever read Pattern Recognition, by William Gibson?

the heroine is phobically sensitive to commercial icons, like the Michelin Man, Prada logos, Tommy Hilfiger, etc

Gibson does a 21st Century version of what Tom Wolfe did so well in the sixties/seventies, before he lost his gift

If you haven't read his stuff from back then, it's well worth it, from The Pump House Gang, to The Right Stuff, to Electric KoolAid Acid Test, to a number of others. He started losing it with Bonfire of the Vanities, though

just my opinion

his latest stuff is sad, in comparison....he's turned into the cluelessly unhip, dirty old man he used to parody

[nicknameless]

28. "phobically sensitive to commercial icons"

That must be it! I used to be that way about the Pillsbury doughboy.

Now it's horrible radio ads, with the voice-over giving the phone number 3 times or more, disclaimers blathered at 100,000 words per minute, and of course anything with Republican content.

...Although I've got to say that those 3-D Bosch-looking creatures are scaring me too. :D

[Gabi Hayes]

29. those are FUN! have you looked at any of his paintings?

there's a book called Leap, which is about Bosch's Garden of Earthly Delights, mainly, but the author makes many, uh, leaps (religious iconography--she's a Mormon--nature, politics, art, science then vs. now, etc), always rooted in the painting itself, in front of which she sat in the Prado, for at least a YEAR, on and off

here's one of my favorite paintings, which has obvious political releavance today



I linked this back in 2000, as Bush's handlers prepared him for the debates with Gore

[nicknameless]

30. That painting, albeit apt, also creeps me out.

I always had serious issues with Bosch! Very creepy, scary stuff. Garden of Earthly Delights is absolutely nightmarish to me. :o

I'd take AAR radio ads over Bosh! ...I guess I scare easily :D

[Gabi Hayes]

31. you should see if the book is in your library...I bought it awhile ago.

It's a beautiful read....reminds me of something Annie Dillard could have written

her perspective, as a somewhat reformed Mormon, is very interesting, and she weaves the Mormon mythos with the supersitious craziness of the late middle ages quite seamlessly

you're right about the nightmarish quality, but I've always thought the images were funny, in today's context

but, can you imagine what was going through his mind (besides the bad rye), when he was doing his work? the combination of that dark age mentality, mixed with the natural version of LSD would be pretty hard to deal with for somebody back then

''bring out your dead!''
http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Sounds/HolyGrail.au/bringout.au
http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Sounds/HolyGrail.au/iesus.au

[nicknameless]

32. His images sure do look drug-induced! It was partly due to the rye, huh?

Just Googled some interesting info about that -- "St. Anthony's Fire." Ergot fungus poisoning in the rye flour. Interesting. Brings a much better understanding on my part! ...But his work still creeps me out.

"bring out your dead!" Loved that movie!!! :D

[Gabi Hayes]

33. did you know..........

lots of people think the witches in Salem were thought to be so because of the same sort of rotten rye? NOVA did a program on that years ago, even claimed to show the soggy field where the rye grew that fed most of the town, hence the witches, whose trips were thought to be evidence of possession, ergo (ahem), sufficient evidence back then to prove their league with deviltry

http://arago4.tn.utwente.nl/stonedead/movies/holy-grail/ra/05-03.ra

[nicknameless]

34. Interesting. I hadn't heard that.

I would have suspected the accusers to be the drugged ones. (Nice pun :D )

Sounds different from the Inquisition period of witch-hunts that were little more than a land-and-riches-grab by the Catholic church.

Great Holy Grail links!

[Gabi Hayes]

35. love the grail...AFA inquisition....don't get me started....nobody

expects THEM.

you're right about the extent to which the inquisitors scapegoated the witches, and many (if not most) poor souls who got on the wrong side of anyone with an axe to grind

that's exactly why Arthur Miller wrote the Crucible in the depths of our own red scare witch hunting days

the fact that witches used and prescribed ergot to ease the pain of....childbirth!...was an easy way to aver that they were, again, in league with the devil, cause of those nasty side effects

[nicknameless]

36. I didn't know about ergot being prescribed.

So drugged women AND those prescribing ergot were being accused? Yikes!

[bananas]

25. so if someone is listening to streaming audio

they should be able to use the task scheduler
to have it turn the stream on and off.

[FreedomAngel82]

9. War in Iraq was good for ratings with the media

They teamed up with Bush. If they called up the scientists in Oak Ridge, Tennessee and asked scientists there they would've know this was impossible (wmd's in Iraq). The media is supposed to hold our government accountable. The media in Britain was different there because they're more adversarial and here there was a group think. Anyone who raised their voice was seen as unpatriotic. Politicians who did so were also accused of being weak on the fight on terrorism and they were sympathetic to Al-Quida because they weren't prepared to go and kill them where they live. The State department project warned about looting and chaos and avoiding the label of "occupying power" by moving quickly to give sovereignty to new leaders. With the Iraqi army there were people who committed terrible atrocities and were no place of them in the new Iraq and to trial them before a legit Iraqi court and use their armed forces. Six point two average size of families. With the infrastructure to watch the electricity etc. In 17-23 ministries were gutted. Libraries and their books were burned. Warehouse facilities were broken into and enough was taken to make a device. Iraqi's sold yellow cake and other materials. Not enough soldiers to prevent a looting and secure the boarders and foreign fighters coming in. The field commander said they had no phase four stability command. On their own they guarded the oil. It had nothing to do with WMD and ending tyranny. It had a lot to do with securing Iraq and their energy supplies which didn't help our purpose with the world.

[FreedomAngel82]

12. He doesn't know if

the Chaliabi was fronting him or the other way around and he served the purpose for going to war. A list of sites were given to the Pentagon not to attack certain sites. They never were but the list never made it to the field commanders. There was a break between the field and Pentagon. The sites weren't dealt with well and weren't protected. It was a broughter dispute over time between the political appointes in the Pentagon and the soliders in Iraq.

[Swamp Rat]

11. Normally I get commercials, but not on iTunes today!

I love it! :D

I wonder if there will be commercials when Ray comes on?

[Gabi Hayes]

15. I couldn't get it on media player (no sound), almost no sound on real

player

but it comes in fine on Quicktime...no commercials

didn't try itunes, but I get everything that comes through them just fine, and it stays in their library...much easier setup than media player

[Swamp Rat]

19. Hmm...

How did you get it to stream in Quicktime? DO you have Quicktime Pro?

I'm having buffering problems with iTunes at the moment and it stoppped all together in Real Player.

[Gabi Hayes]

21. I don't think so.....before it came up I got a message asking if I wanted

to update; I didn't read it, but assume it was trying to sell me something, so I ignored it

I have some free version of Quicktime, and it usually works fine for me

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20. BTW, instead of commercials, the show has no sound

presumably they are playing commericals on the AM show in San Francisco.

[Gabi Hayes]

22. that's nice, isn't it?

he's giving it to some resolutely obtuse jackass, who's impossible to reason with

[FreedomAngel82]

13. Losing the war in Iraq

is more then losing the country. It's losing support across the middle east and a failure will lead to an enormous anti-Americanism not just among Muslim but Europe and across the world. He's not against cutting and running. If we left Iraq in a civil war it would make the partian look like India and Pakistan a picnic. He thinks Bush needs to level with the people, talk about the degree of difficulty and continue the operation of training the troops and right after the new "elections" of an agreement of drawing down troop levels. At home and in Iraq we'll lose the war. Even before the war there were engineers in Iraq doing military bases. In Southeastern Turkey it'll be Eructation emerging and becoming a state. They won't tolerate the break up of Iraq or this new state and they won't tolerate a certain fragment of Iraq and it's still true. If Iraq fell apart it would cause huge implications across the region and world wide. Bush really got us in shit.

[FreedomAngel82]

16. Everything that is happening today

was planned. The irony is the arrogance of the Bush administration and has a lot to do with digging a hole in Iraq. No time table and time for the American people and Iraqi's have their voices heard and a timetable to pull out. It's interesting when the Iraqi security services are deployed in the Arab/Sunni regions there's usually the melita or Shiite groups. The reality is there needs to be some kind of demilitraitons of Iraq and can't have militias running around. In a couple of days there is a big conference. If they're going to be taken serious they need to "walk the talk".

[FreedomAngel82]

18. Iraq has the potential

to be a civil war and if they end up there they'll have to go above the thirty-sixth parallel and draw a line and stay with the Kurds and let them fight it out but not let them come any closer. Making an independent Kurdistan which will drive the Turks crazy. He also said we'll then end up having to find a Nato ally, another Muslim country, and the most effective fighters are the Kurds. If all of a sudden we end up siding with the Turks or Nato they're not going to be great friends. They want Kirk (sP?) cause of the biggest oil fields in Iraq.
This thing can go sideways fifteen ways. There's no way we could do militarily on the ground and we can't go into Syria. Iran has urbanized their weapons and you can't bomb it out. If Iran insists on nuclear weapons they can do it unless we come up with a diplomatic solution (good luck with that). There's not much Israel can do and don't have enough bodies from the troops and you can't do it from the air with how they have the program set up. We're in really deep in a lot of different ways. Most of which the Bush administration didn't think about or have any plans for. Over a thousand pages was one of the most amazing pressed documents and everything predicted happened in Iraq. They ignored it. They all wanted the Pentagon to be the center and always fighting with Powell at the state department (probably why Powell left). Every recommendation would've prevented what is going on in Iraq today. In turns of the memo's he told you that he was in meetings with Britain at those times about how the post-war of Iraq was going to be dealt with. Early as July 2002 it was known they were going to invade Iraq and already having these discussions. At the same time Bush was telling us he hasn't made up his mind and it was the last resort and searching for diplomatic ways to avoid war with Iraq and he lied because the decision had already been made and they were already planning post-war Iraq.