WARNING!!! The Catapulting the PROPAGANDA is now in effect!

[LynnTheDem]

DO NOT FALL FOR IT!

Example of total bullshit propaganda in today's headline news;

'Horrified' US Ambassador Warns of Iraq Civil War
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4724122

This "new" Ambassador is the arsehole that was in Afghanistan, and he's a principle of PNAC;
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

Notice his "horror" of the "FOREIGN TERRORISTS" and "RADICAL ISLAMISTS" and "HUSSEIN LOYALISTS" who are "using Iraqis as “cannon fodder” in a quest to dominate the Islamic world."

BULLSHIT.

Because bush can no longer chant "fantaastic progress" in Iraq as even the dumbest American now realizes that ain't exactly so, he's taken the reality of total chaos and is propagandizing it again as "DEAD-ENDERS" being the entire insurgency and we MUST stay in Iraq and help the poor "CANNON FODDER" Iraqis.

It's BULLSHIT.

Less than FIVE PERCENT (5%) of the insurgents are foreign; the insurgency is HOMEGROWN.

YES Iraq is getting more violent by the day; YES the insurgency is growing by the day; YES the situation in Iraq is deteriorating by the day...but NO it is not "foreign fighters/terrorists/dead-enders".

BEWARE of the CATAPULTING PROPAGANDA!

These guys make Goebels blush.

[Sather Gate]

1. PNAC list of conspirators

includes George Weigel, the Catholic neocon who wrote bullshit about Just War doctrine, and tried to persuade Pope John Paul II to change his mind and acquiesce to the coming aggression in Iraq. Thanks for the link and keep the faith!

[KharmaTrain]

2. When Will They Turn The Worm

With the unrest in Uzbekestan...adjacent to Afghanistan and Kryzgystan (I dare Bunnypants to pronounce that one)...are we going to see this mess widen? Although most of these insurections are indigenous, will this regime try to tie it all together in one simple package of "Islamo-Fascism" and justify an even wider involvement in these oil-rich areas?

Interesting sidenote: I think it was CNNServative that ran a report on the re-emergence of the Taliban in the last year and the increased problems in that country. Is this more psy-ops?

[LynnTheDem]

3. Afghanistan not psy-ops, nope. Afghanistan is deteriorating fast.

US troops being killed or wounded weekly; Taliban attacks almost daily; Afghanis in HUGE anti-American riots and protests.

That's all very true.

Afghanistan is far worse now than it's been since bush attacked and invaded the SOVEREIGN country in his attempt to capture OBL, the man who is NOT the "mastermind" of the 911 attacks.

And with the Kuwaiti-Pakistani man who IS the "mastermind" of the 911 attacks sitting in jail in Pakistan, bush KNOWS where OBL is but we can't get him because the "US RESPECTS NATIONS' SOVEREIGNTY" too much.

[KharmaTrain]

5. Thanks...Just What I Didn't Want To Hear

A vet I met from Afghanistan called Karzai "The Mayor Of Downtown Kabul" and said his government was a joke...his authority was as far as the guns around him could shoot.

He also said what was holding things together there was the huge money pouring in on the drug trade...everyone was getting in on the action (he joked this was Bunnypants getting back at the Turks and Germans by flooding those markets with cheap heroin) and as long as we didn't mess with them, they didn't mess with us. He also said the U.S. pretty much was confined to Baghram, the big air force base that serves as a back-up for Iraq stuff now than for defending Afghanistan.

Bunnypants knows going after OBL will bring down his buddy Musharaf in Pakistan and he has no guarantee he can select who replace him. Also we can go into the many reason OBL being alive serves this regime...but another thread another day.

Cheers.

[FreedomAngel82]

18. So that's why

Thanks for telling about that about OBL. Of course.

[The Magistrate]

19. That Fellow Told You Correctly, Sir

Karzai is indeed Mayor of Kabul, and little more.

The lack of any economic reconstruction effort in the countryside ahs left the people there little alternative for cash but opium-growing.

[bpyatt]

4. Curious

Where do you get the figure 95% of the insurgency is homegrown?

[LynnTheDem]

8. US military commanders in Iraq;

U.S. Now Finds That Insurgents Are Mostly Iraqis

The battle for the city of Fallujah is giving U.S. military commanders an increasingly clear picture of this country's insurgency, and it is the portrait of a home-grown uprising overwhelmingly dominated by Iraqis, not by foreign fighters.

Of the more than 1,000 men between the ages of 15 and 55 who were captured in intense fighting in the center of the insurgency over the past week, just 15 are confirmed foreign fighters, Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. ground commander in Iraq, said Monday.

American commanders said their best estimates of the proportion of foreigners among their enemy was about 5 percent.

http://middleeastinfo.org/article4833.html

Insurgents Are Mostly Iraqis, US Military Says

"They say these guys are flowing across and fomenting all this violence. We don't think so," said a senior military official in Baghdad. "What's the main threat? It's internal."

In a TV interview Sunday, Army Gen. John P. Abizaid, head of the U.S. Central Command, estimated that the number of foreign fighters in Iraq was below 1,000.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0928-21.htm

Nationalism drives many insurgents as they fight U.S.

A wide range of interviews with Iraqis and U.S. officials here paints a starkly different portrait -- a growing, intensely nationalist resistance determined to remove U.S. forces and their Iraqi allies.

Iraqi politicians do not dispute that foreign fighters are in their country. Posho Ibrahim, Iraq's deputy justice minister, said in an interview this month that the U.S. military has about 100 accused foreign fighters in custody. But they do not see the foreigners as the driving force behind the resistance.

Sharif, who was among the exiled Iraqi opposition figures who initially supported the U.S. invasion, said the typical resistance fighter is a young man with a military background who opposes the occupation

Wazan said the resistance is led by 20 to 30 armed groups across the country.

"This (insurgency) is a justified action for any people whose country is under occupation," he said.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/10/26/MNG659G46T1.DTL

[zanne]

9. Where do you get the idea they're not?

Because Rumsfeld said so?

[oblivious]

11. General Taluto says 99.9% of those captured are Iraqis.

Published: 9/6/2005, 06:25 (UAE)

'Good and honest' Iraqis fighting US forces

...General Taluto said "99.9 per cent" of those captured fighting the US were Iraqis

http://www.gulfnews.com/Articles/RegionNF.asp?ArticleID=168406

[JohnyCanuck]

6. It's more than just propaganda.

Some see it as brainwashing.


Brainwashing America
by Dr. Norman Livergood

<snip>

In an earlier article, I reviewed the varied aspects of personality profiling and simulation. While serving as Head of the Artificial Intelligence Department at the U.S. Army War College, 1993-1995, I conducted studies on profiling, psychological programming, and brainwashing. I explored and developed personality simulation systems, an advanced technology used in military war games, FBI profiling, political campaigning, and advertising. Part of my discovery was that:

* unenlightened human minds are combinations of infantile beliefs and emotional patterns

* these patterns can be simulated in profiling systems

* these profiling systems can be used to program and control people

Personality simulation systems are being used to create political campaigns that apply voter profiles to control their voting behavior. TV commercials and programs use personality simulation to profile viewers to control their purchasing and viewing behaviors. And sophisticated propaganda and brainwashing techniques are being used by the Bush junta to keep American citizens under control.

http://www.hermes-press.com/brainwash1.htm

[cthrumatrix]

13. 7x24 ...Faux channel

[deek]

14. awesome site

Thanks!

[wurzel]

7. Over half the suicide bombers are identified as Saudis.

Another problem for Bush and his buddies.

[LynnTheDem]

10. Over half of the 5% of foreign fighters are Saudi, yes.

Isn't it strange how bush & Rice yell, not at Saudi, but at SYRIA?

[wurzel]

12. With the media we have they can claim anything.

[Felix Mala]

15. What was that warning? You break it, you've bought it?

[Burried News]

16. Speaking of Catapulting, put Bolton in the sling and fire.

No need to add the customary bag of shit to show our best intentions. They'll tell by the smell we ain't feeling swell.:hurts:

[rucky]

17. Have they ever really let up?

why is this propaganda different from our daily ration of crap?


sorry...outrage fatigue

[Burried News]

20. Their crap is our ammunition, wind er tight and keep the shit flyin

[Turn CO Blue]

21. Two points from NPR:

Point one
You are correct that the insurgents are mostly Iraqi, not outsiders.
<http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/transcripts/2005/jun/050610.westervelt>

NPR ANALYSIS: Contrary to official reports, many insurgents in Iraq turn out to be Iraqis and not foreigners

All Things Considered: June 10, 2005

Many Bombings Traced Back to Iraqi Citizens
MELISSA BLOCK, host:

Now a story about the Iraqi insurgency and how it's perceived inside the country. Many Iraqis don't want to admit that the majority of insurgents are their fellow countrymen. Iraqi officials and some local media reports say the insurgency is largely made up of outsiders, including foreign Arabs and common criminals. When NPR's Eric Westervelt took a closer look, he found that is not the case.

ERIC WESTERVELT reporting:

(read transcript at link)



Point two:
Unfortunately, (and this is rarely reported or discussed), but the tensions between Sunnis and Shi'ites have heated up so much in South Baghdad, that IMO, the situation could easily devolve into civil war. These sects are violently targeting each other, so I'm under the impression that much of the "violence" we hear about, is not just against US forces, but also these two sects against each other.

<http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4711519>
All Things Considered, June 20, 2005 · Sectarian tensions are growing in the Iraqi capital even as Sunni and Shiite politicians make headway in efforts to work together on a new constitution.

Also:
NPR had another excellent report yesterday (that I can't find) with an interview with a Sunni Iraqi woman where she discusses how she and fellow Sunnis are afraid to leave their homes, due to the targeted violence against them from Shi'ites.

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So is there anybody left beside * who believes the Iraqis are better off than before the occupation?

[LynnTheDem]

22. Did NPR happen to point out the FACTS that;

1. Almost ALL branches of Sunni tribes are also SHIA?

2. That Sunni & Shia have inter-married and inter-lived for longer than the USA has existed?

3. That they've been invaded & occupied before...and have NEVER had a civil war? (Unlike America.)

4. That the Sunni & Shia themselves scoff at any notion of civil war, that they say the US is trying to start a civil war between them, and that even if they did have a civil war that's THEIR concern, not ours, and it COULDN'T BE WORSE than what the US of A has already done to them?

Just wondering.

[UncleSepp]

23. These guys make Goebels blush - that's "Goebbels"

Goebel = cute china figures
Goebbels = propaganda

:-D