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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 04:46 PM
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OK, I thought I’d give TeeVee...one…more...chance…
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 04:47 PM by KansDem
Last night the AFI (American Film Institute?) 100 all time movie quotes was aired. We don’t have cable and have not made watching TeeVee a habit in our home. However, my daughter heard about this show and thought we might all watch it. Since we have compiled a rather large DVD collection of classic movies, I thought this would be fun as many of the quotes would be familiar to the kids, so I acquiesced and at promptly 7pm (CDT), we all sat down to watch this show.:):):)

They started with No. 100 and worked their way up to No.1. The format was to introduce the quote by showing a few moments of the scene of the movie the quote is heard in followed by a remark from some Hollywood insider, usually a writer, director or actor. No problem I thought. Some of the quotes were expected, such as “I don’t need to show you any stinkin’ badges” from Treasure of the Sierra Madre,” and “You ain’t seen nothin’ yet” from The Jazz Singer, or “Here’s another fine mess you got me into!” from several Laurel and Hardy films. Some were not so obvious but once we heard them, we understood why they were selected, as in Dustin Hoffmans chanting of “Attica, Attica” in Dog Day Afternoon (the Attica prison rebellion had just occurred), or “Houston, we have a problem” from Apollo 13. But there were also many that I wondered why were selected. There were also some from Ronald Reagan ("Win one for the Gipper"), Arnold Schwarzenegger ("Hasta la vista, baby!"), and Clint Eastwood ("Do you feel lucky, punk?"). I thought “Nice touch. Include these icons of the right-wingers so there’s no griping about Hollywood being 'liberal.'” One actor who’s name escapes me was commenting on the quote from Shane. A scene was shown where Alan Ladd punches some cowboy giving him a hard time. I forgot what the quote was, but the actor, no doubt chosen to comment on this particular scene as he looked tough and rugged, said something to the effect that we need more Shanes in the country right now.:eyes:

Overall, I found it amusing as we got to see James Brolin with white hair and Ron Howard without any hair, and we saw Rob Reiner looking older than his dad. The comments tended to be somewhat illuminating, in not at times overdone. Anyway, as I indicated, there were many quotes from the “scratch my head and wonder why this one was picked” category. But, when the AFI got about halfway in their presentations, they show a scene from a movie that, I believe, starred Billy Crystal. He was talking to a woman over a meal stating that “no woman has to fake it with him.” The woman, an actress who’s name escapes me, kept telling him (referring not to him specifically but to men in general, “yes, they do…” I thought to myself they couldn’t possible be referring to what I thought they were referring to, but when the scene broke to the actress commenting on the significance of the quote, she began talking about women and “faking orgasms.” I thought, “What the f*ck?!?!:wtf: What’s wrong with these people? Why are they showing this during “prime-time” when families are supposed to be watching? Have these Hollywood shits even thought about how I’m supposed to explain this to my 13-year old daughter and 7-year son??? I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t see a need to explain “women’s orgasms” and “faking it” to my children. So I quickly turned it off and sent the kids to bed.:boring::boring:

I also remembered why I stopped watching TeeVee.:grr:
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 04:49 PM
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1. You mean "When Harry Met Sally", with Meg Ryan?
Pretty famous scene...
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:24 PM
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10. Apparently AFI thinks so as well...
...anyway, famous or not, it was inappropriate for children.
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 04:49 PM
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2. Meg Ryan .... and I think you may be a little over-protective
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:18 PM
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8. "over protective?"
I just don't think that "women faking orgasms" is an appropriate topic of discussion for a seven-year old.
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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:37 PM
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12. Depends on the kid, I guess. When my neices and nephews were
younger and they watched something with 'adult' type of things - it just went over their heads or they would laugh but have no idea what they were laughing at. Ace Ventura Pet Detective for example, in a scene were he thrusts his hips forward and backwards (like he was having sex) they laughed and laughed but just thought it was funny that he was doing that, they had no idea what it meant or what it implied.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:57 PM
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14. Right, I understand that...
But wouldn't it be better to have scenes that are humorous to kids that aren't based on sexual movements? For example, my kids howl over the antics of Laurel & Hardy. One DUer had me living in the 1950s; I suppose admitting to have L&H DVDs puts me in the 1930s, but the kind of visual comedy offered by the likes of L&H resonates with my kids because they have experienced similar mishaps. They can identify when a situation doesn't go quite right.


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paula777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:20 PM
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17. I think they put adult content in movies like Ace Ventura because they
want both the kid and adults to be interested. Cartoons do it too - Pepe La Pue, Bugs bunny - if you watch even the old one they all had sexual references in them - for the same reason I suppose - larger audience. Anyway, obviously it's your choice and what they can and cannot see - but IMHO over-protecting kids can be a little dangerous too. NOT that you are over-protecting them ... maybe your protecting them 'just right'. I can't be the judge of that because I don't have any kids.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 04:51 PM
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3. That's Al Pacino in "Dog Day Afternoon," BTW. NT
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:09 PM
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7. Thanks, I get those two confused at times...
I did like Pacino in "Little Big Man"

:)
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 04:54 PM
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4. Wasn't it on cable?
They're not subject to the same rules as broadcast networks.

Besides "Orgasm" is pretty tame talk, IMO.

My 7 year-old wouldn't pay such talk any mind, and even if they did, I'd just say "Ill tell you later"

BTW, any 13 year old who doesn't know what an orgasm is yet should be taught. I certainly knew at that age and that was more than 20 years ago. Pretty basic stuff.

I would be much more bothered if they showed a lot of gratuitous violence than the mere mention of a word that means a rush of sublime sexual pleasure...
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:06 PM
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5. Don't explain it to me, explain it to a 7-year old.
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 05:27 PM by KansDem
I don't see a need to...

On edit: I don't think it was on cable (we don't have cable) and I didn't catch the TeeVee call letters to see what network it was.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:09 PM
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6. Like I said, I have a 7 year old.
At that age, that sort of talk goes in one ear and out the other. Are we a little prone to worry-wart-ism?
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:23 PM
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9. Sorry, don't want to chance that "that sort of talk goes in one ear..."
...and out the other." Perhaps it does, but just the same, it's unnecessary. And I don't think Hollywood should be in a position to determine that either...
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:33 PM
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11. Have you read this post?
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 05:39 PM by UdoKier
It's interesting that you are a Kansan and have the very bugaboos they mention in the article.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3919793


I'm not in favor of gratuitously exposing kids to sexuality, but I don't bend over backwards to be sure they never see a boobie on TV or in a magazine. It's a normal, beautiful part of life, and I for one will not treat my kids' curiosity about it as something bad or dirty.


You're certainly entitled to raise your kids as you see fit.


Very few people I know would find the mention of the word "orgasm" even remotely shocking. I'm sorry your mores are stuck back in the 50's. I live in San Francisco, where sexuality is pretty open. I bet you'd hate it here.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:45 PM
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13. Not really. I just don't believe discussing sex with a 7-year old...
is a productive pastime, and I resent corporations who think otherwise, especially with my children.

And we don't have cable, so I doubt it was on a cable station.

I love San Francisco. I am a Californian transplanted to the Midwest. I grew up in the Long Beach area. I'd live in or around San Francisco if I could!

As for you observation about Kansas, I couldn't agree with you more! I live in a sea or Red, and I see red most of the time.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:00 PM
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15. Awkward moments like that are what make being a parent fun
You don't have to discuss it (I probably wouldn't with a 7 year old) but I'd take care not to overreact in such situations. Kids can get unhealthy messages about sex when shame (even subtly) exists.

Just pleasantly gloss over it and if the kids press tell them they'll learn all it about it some day.

You don't have to fill their mind, but try and leave it open.
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true_notes Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:03 PM
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16. Dem, chill
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 06:03 PM by true_notes
Your kiddies prolly hear worse at school and when you and the spouse argue. The earlier they know what an orgasm is, the later they will want to find out what it feels like (or sooner in my case :)) ) I'll tell you this though, a restricted child is one that will grow up with inner frusteration and will want to rebel against everything YOU stand for. It almost always works that way.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:30 PM
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18. I don't think I'm restricting my child as much as the corporations...
Let's face it, this corporate mindset is all about control and that means restriction. Perhaps I resent having my children restricted to what the corporations want them to see and hear. If corporations want to have fun with "women faking orgasms," then put it on late at night for unrestricted adults, not prime time when children are watching. They should know better.
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