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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:31 PM
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I agree. Bush is not Hitler. The Neoconsters are not Nazis.

Bush is not Stalin.

He is not Mussolini.

He is not Pol Pot.

He is not Genghis Khan.

And, he is certainly not Edy Amin, Milosevic, Kradzic, ....

And, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith, Wolfowitz, Perl, Bolton, Rice, ...., are not Nazis.

He is way the hell worse. They are way the hell more dangerous.

He is an unrestrained, deceitful murderer with a vast nuclear arsenal, and B1s and B2s, and attack subs and cruise missiles. And, they are ultra-sophisticated, ruthless imperialists.


He and the neoconsters can stomp the planet with impunity as no other nation in the history of the world; if you doubt it, you are definitely not paying attention to the details.

And, as never before in the history of the world, no other nation would dare to sanction or organize an alliance against them.

And, the mullahs in Iran and Rev Moon's buddy in Pyongyang all know that any terra-ist attack on the US will be eagerly seized as an excuse to transform their capitols into radioactive ash.

So, just call Bush, Bush. And call his gang, neoconsters.

In time, if he and the neoconsters don't destroy humanity, the name "Bush" will be a name that some future Limbaugh or Hannity or O'Reilly will try to censor someone from applying to yet another greed-crazed, world domination-focused, mass murdering sociopath.






"... we sent our young people into harm's way without leveling with the American people." - Congresswoman Pelosi before Congress, 16 June 2005



Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - WE THE PEOPLE .... MUST FILE CHARGES, INDICT AND PROSECUTE BUSH AND ALL THE OTHER NEOCONSTER WAR CRIMINALS. IT'S THE LAW, STUPID
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:33 PM
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1. yours is the first DU post i've read today
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 05:34 PM by noiretblu
:woohoo: you are so right...these neoconartists are the worst ever.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:45 PM
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4. I second that!
eom
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:17 PM
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14. They make the nazis look like
Boy Scouts- in a "Lord of the Flies" kinda way.

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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:35 PM
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2. kicked and nominated eom
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:38 PM
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3. bout sums it up for me..
did ya read:American Dynasty"..Kevin phillips lays a broad outline of the war profiteers from wall st...

family bush NEVER produced a scholar,professor,scientist,attorney,doctor,philosopher,an educated clergy person..
NONE ,NOTA ,NOT ONE, NYET!!
WAR ,WAR PROFITS ,WALL ST ,INTELL,PENTAGON ,SECRET SOCIETYS
mass murders..assassinations... extortion..blackmail

read any of the anti-bush books and see repeating themes of the same..

King George Bush the second = KGB II
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:55 PM
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17. You are SO Correct!! All State the Same Theme, Repeatedly!
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 07:56 PM by AuntiBush
World Bank, going back to his grandfather/great-grandfather.

Pappy connected to JHK & shooting of Reagan.
All off-springs & their children are criminals, druggies, you name it.

Bad Clan. No. Evil Clan. If you haven't read 1 of those books, do so.

Edited to add this link & Know your BFEE:

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bushco/bush_crime_family.htm
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KarenS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:58 PM
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5. Well said AND (sadly) very accurate. n/t
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:13 PM
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6. I tend to agree
I was going to make a post about this (and still plan on doing it sometime) but couldnt find the right words.

The people who are calling Bush "Hitler" really do not know what they are talking about.
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femme.democratique Donating Member (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:19 PM
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7. Amen brotha!
I'm right there with you!
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:22 PM
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8. You have them PEGGED!.........n/t
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:32 PM
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9. Yup
You have it nailed brother!
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:56 PM
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10. Very well said n/t
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:03 PM
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11. Nicely put, and VERY true.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:08 PM
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12. don't forget having access to a sophisticated media apparatus
Most of the specimens you listed didn't have a paid-off, compliant media with a global reach. Or Hollywood special effects designers. (Okay, so Hitler had Leni Riefenstahl -- but back then they weren't able to Photoshop in cheering crowds without having it look pretty obvious that someone had been tampering ... compared to not long ago, when that Republican "borrowed" an image from a Howard Dean crowd as a backdrop, and there wasn't a peep out of the major news organs.)

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mpendragon Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:11 PM
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13. calling then Nazis gives them permission to ignore you in their minds
It seems like hyperbole to them and all they hear is a shrill buzz. They are just looking for reasons to dismiss what you say if they don't agree with it. I'm not chiding you I just don't think that's a winning strategy and while that sort of thing might be cathartic it isn’t helpful.

The conservatives appeal to the baser instincts of their supporters. They stir up anger, fear, and hatred to make the blood boil so Americans will look to the GOP for answers. For them all of your problems are because of someone else screwing you over. They'll say that some Mexican is taking your job, some queer is corrupting your kid, some uppity dyke is bossing you around, some towel-head is killing good ole Christians just like you, and some liberal is taking your money for another black welfare slut. They'll spew that venom over and over again and that is what they are good at. We will never beat them at hate.

If you want to appeal to them don't call them Nazis. Appeal to them using what we are good at. Talk about all the good things you are doing (the things they can thank you for), all the good things you want to do, and then you can talk about the harmful things the other folks supported that you want to stop. Explain to them the cost effectiveness of the sound plans we propose and how fair trade means more and better work here and abroad. It isn't class warfare; it is suring-up the economic base of the country. Explain that liberties are almost always more important than safety because safety is an illusion and liberties cannot be taken away by terrorists.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:21 PM
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15. He's a "patriot". A nationalist.
Like the majority of Americans he considers himself, and is considered by them, as being a rather affable, church going, well meaning, successful, "average" guy, family man, who has achieved high office. The "American Dream".

As was said about the Nazis, he and his cohorts and admirers, represent the "banality of evil".

He is, essentially, a Nationalist, a "Patriot", who believes that America is the greatest nation in the world and has a divine duty to spread it's example to all.

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JRob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:31 PM
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16. Great post!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 04:25 AM
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18. Truth is our most powerful weapon!
"We the people will never forget"...NGU! Stop the stonewalling! Stop the cover-up! We demand accountability! Time to go on the offensive, IMO.

peace.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 04:58 AM
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19. I disagree. Bush is 'Hitler'.
Bush is 'Stalin'.

Bush is 'Mussolini'.

Bush is 'Pol Pot'.

Bush is 'Genghis Khan'.

Bush is ALL OF THEM COMBINED! ... all the evil prototypes are combined in this Evil Bushler regime. Give 'em more time. They have only just begun.

Cheney, Rumsfeld, Feith, Wolfowitz, Perl, Bolton et al are American 'Nazis' who have learned from the Masters of Evil before them. I agree that the best term for THEM is Neocons, NeoConsters etc., but it is perfectly legitimate to compare them by calling them names like "Nazi Lizard Fuckface."

... in my humble opinion. :D

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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:19 AM
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23. And I'm not apologizing for holding the very same opinion as you
and I damn straight know YOU aren't gonna make excuses, either, Swamp Rat!

Call it like you see it, people. And don't kiss anybody's ass afterward. Unless you enjoy living under this fascism.

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 08:28 AM
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20. Botero and Hajjaj summarize the heinous accomplishments of Bush and ...
... the neoconsters.


Emad Hajjaj, Al-Ghad Newspaper, Amman, Jordan



All photo credits for Botero art: AP Photo/Francois Mori


When evil provides substance for art; the evil is profound, the art is forever. The legacy of Bush and his neoconster gang is already being recorded, brilliantly and accurately.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - WE THE PEOPLE .... MUST FILE CHARGES, INDICT AND PROSECUTE BUSH AND ALL THE OTHER NEOCONSTER WAR CRIMINALS. IT'S THE LAW, STUPID
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 08:58 AM
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21. No - not yet
I would concede that Bush and company have the potential to be far worse that the most despotic of dictators - but they aren't there yet.

I think the problem is a growing awareness of what the Iraq war really means as apposed to the diconnectedness of the American psyche regarding its own vision of itself on world affairs. That is - Americans are beginning to see themselves through the world's eyes - and that vision is making them uncomfortable.

The real test of democracy in long sustainable terms is facing America. And so, I would say that Bush has not quite accepted the mantle of dictator - if he had - Downing Street Memo would never of been leaked - and the media would have been forced to be silent - and the internet would be shut down - and DU would not exist. Not to say that this will not still happen.....

You know the real thing is - has the Iraq War created the conditions that Bush wished for - has it achieved Bush's results? We cannot say because we don't really know the rationale for going to war in the first place....WMD, oil, terrorism (well we now know that
Iraq is a prime university for terrorists to train against the best trained troops in the world)

My own skeptical view is that the Iraq war has done EXACTLY what Bush wanted and foresaw. Neverending war........
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:04 AM
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22. 11/07/2006 : If the exit polls are accurate... (if not: freedom is over)
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 10:09 AM by Amonester
"The real test of democracy in long sustainable terms is facing America."

11/07/2006 will be the day of that ultimate test.



"Downing Street Memo would never of(have) been leaked"

They were leaked in a foreign country, in the context of a general election, in a Rupert Murdoch owned paper, and the suspected primary motives were that these leaks would end up DAMAGING bLiar's chances of being re-elected so the conservatives would win it. They took more than 4 to 5 weeks before they began to really fly in the still "somewhat-a-little-less-wh-dependant" media (PNAC members cannot own them all... yet...).



"and the internet would be shut down - and DU would not exist."

The Internet could not be "shut down" in its current form unless the neocons would "be able" to "justify" (i.e. "lie") to the point of invading Europe (to shut down the Internet backbones there), South Africa (backbone there too...), and every country where an Internet backbone network exists (and even then...). OTOH, if they'd want to shut down DU inside the U.S. perhaps DU could still function in a different form ("in exile")???????????????



"My own skeptical view is that the Iraq war has done EXACTLY what Bush wanted and foresaw. Neverending war........"

Exactly. Military Industry Complex (Halliburton like) and Big Oil (ExxonMobil like) shareholders require never ending increassed bottom lines' percentages... So "they" (collectively) took over: they rule. Forever? That remains to be seen.

Nailed that one pretty much straight on.


Edit: corrections.
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:48 PM
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24. elections can be bought....
you wrote - 11/07/2006 will be the day of that ultimate test.

And to that - I am again skeptical. The people do NOT hold the power anymore. Not in terms of elections anyways -there are too many ways to manipulate an election - we have seen it before.

No - I am talking about Congress and the Senate standing up and for once asserting their own powers - and impeaching Bush. I know - it is a fairy tale - but that would be the TRUE show of the power of democracy and the American ideology of justice.

There MUST be some republicans who have trouble sleeping at night knowing that the war was waged on false pretenses - that their leader showed them the way to a slippery slope of violence and neverending terrorist threats. They have to be out there somewhere.
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