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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:48 PM
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Flag burning question...
suppose I make my own flag with slightly different colors -- maybe orange, white and purple. Can I burn that?


Frankly, I wouldn't burn a flag. I have proudly carried the flag at protest rallies. I also really like the washing of the flag as a means of protest, though I have not done that.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:50 PM
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1. The Amendment says the Congress would have the authority to pass
laws regarding the flag of the united states. I assume your homemade flag would be exempt since it would not be a true depiction of the US Flag. I guess though it would depend what law they passed. They could make a law that says it is illegal to make your US FLag with the wrong colors.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:03 PM
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11. Can you imagine the language of such an amendment?
First, to state the American flag is protected, then, to state that any flag that resembles the American flag is protected. What a nightmare!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:51 PM
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2. With flag burning
it's also the only proper way to dispose of the flag. You should never throw it away. Also according to the rules of how to properly treat a flag you shouldn't wear it on tshirts, bandana's, those beanie bear's etc. And no way you should ever write on it, so Bush should go to jail for writing on the actual flag and not the stick. But if you were to color the flag that would be a BIG no-no and against the flag rules. I know I know too much about this. I was interested in why the big fuss over flag burning and decided to do research and a lot of the big fuss is from ignorance.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:53 PM
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3. Another question...
...where does it end? What would happen if this amendment passes and 1000 people stand down the street from the Capitol and burn 1000 flag posters--paper representations of the flag?

Is that illegal?

What if a flag's on TV and you break the TV with a sledgehammer (somehow I see this in a performance art setting, if you know what I mean).

It'll probably encourage people to get creative and screw with the concept of the flag even more.

It sure made MY brain start snapping out ideas in an instant.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:55 PM
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5. i had the idea to freeze it in a block of ice to preserve it for a day
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 07:55 PM by tk2kewl
when our country was once again worthy of it
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:57 PM
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7. I like your idea
let's list things that blur the line
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:41 PM
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15. I'll start a thread n/t
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:59 PM
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8. what if a drill team all carrying flags marched into the shape of
a rotating swastika. would that be desecration?
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:54 PM
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4. Too these people, you can't make a flag with different colors.
They get worked up in hysterics make gay rights activists change the stripes to a rainbow.
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 07:57 PM
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6. I say we burn Nazi and Confederate flags at the Capitol to protest.
Proposed earlier today.
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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:00 PM
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9. desecration: compliments of the monkey....

I suggest Bush is defacing (desecrating) the flag when he uses a magic marker to autograph those little hand-held plastic flags.
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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:04 PM
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12. Burn a Christian flag and see what happens.....
That would prove something when the neocons go wild and, once again, enter "changing amendment mode".....
They are on record as saying that there is no greater symbol than the American flag.
My, my.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:01 PM
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10. Careful, Red Staters will see this as Patriotism. Contest it cleverly...
It's a win-win for Bush. A good distraction, a good he's for America reinforcer, a good divisor against those who enjoy choice and accountability to be branded unpatriotic.

Oops! Forgot about the Minutes for a moment. Did another US soldier die needlessly in Iraq while they were being smug about their Patriotism? Ooh, Irony!
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OrlandoGator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:04 PM
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13. The way to contest it is to say you don't pass amendments...
...just because something offends you personally.

Or, you don't pass amendments to take freedoms away (it has only been done during Prohibition).

Wait a second...since when flag freaking burning some kind of major issue? There's nothing more important on the docket?
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radar Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 08:21 PM
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14. A Pandora's Box would be opened
Local authorities could interpret desecration anyway they want (until legally challenged - and who's gonna enjoy paying those court costs?)

Using existing laws should cover burning the flag in most areas - i.e. "you got a permit to start a fire in a public place?" *Kinda like the defenders of the 2nd - just enforce existing gun laws - stop making new ones.

People For the American Way - Flag Burning Myths and Realities
http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=3073
"...under existing public burning, larceny or public property statutes. In addition, the First Amendment allows punishment for acts of desecration knowingly performed for the purpose of inciting a breach of the peace or producing an immediate danger...."

The Flag-Burning Page
http://www.esquilax.com/flag/index2.html

US Flag Laws and Regulations
http://www.wi.net/flag.html
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