Conspiracy of Silence...MUST SEE!!!!!!

[Andy_Stephenson]

http://www.thelawparty.org/UnlockedMedia/MediaPlayer/FranklinCoverup/conspiracyofsilence2_chunk_1.wmv

http://www.thelawparty.org/UnlockedMedia/MediaPlayer/FranklinCoverup/conspiracyofsilence2_chunk_2.wmv

http://www.thelawparty.org/UnlockedMedia/MediaPlayer/FranklinCoverup/conspiracyofsilence2_chunk_2.wmv

http://www.thelawparty.org/UnlockedMedia/MediaPlayer/FranklinCoverup/conspiracyofsilence2_chunk_4.wmv


parts 1-4

[Andy_Stephenson]

1. Kick

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[Andy_Stephenson]

139. Fixed links to the video

http://www.thelawparty.org/UnlockedMedia/MediaPlayer/FranklinCoverup/conspiracyofsilence2_chunk_1.wmv

http://www.thelawparty.org/UnlockedMedia/MediaPlayer/FranklinCoverup/conspiracyofsilence2_chunk_2.wmv

http://www.thelawparty.org/UnlockedMedia/MediaPlayer/FranklinCoverup/conspiracyofsilence2_chunk_3.wmv

http://www.thelawparty.org/UnlockedMedia/MediaPlayer/FranklinCoverup/conspiracyofsilence2_chunk_4.wmv

[TroubleMan]

164. Bump

Just in case somebody missed it.

[CosmicVortex10]

189. Typical conspiracy nonsense -- like infowars.com

The illuminati must be working overtime.

[Andy_Stephenson]

190. You obviously have not delved into or read this thread

But your sure ready to jump in and holler fake fake fake.

Move along to another thread. Serious research is going on here.

[Andy_Stephenson]

2. Kick

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[greatauntoftriplets]

3. kick

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[Andy_Stephenson]

Every DUer MUST See this!

Un-ashamed kick

[Nlighten1]

6. You copied #2 twice

http://www.thelawparty.org/UnlockedMedia/MediaPlayer/FranklinCoverup/conspiracyofsilence2_chunk_3.wmv

[janekat]

4. an article about this....

http://www.membersdirectoryonline.com/roomc/ustnhendersonville/conspiracyofsilence.htm

"Conspiracy of Silence", a documentary listed for viewing in TV Guide Magazine was to be aired on the Discovery Channel, on May 3, 1994. This documentary exposed a network of religious leaders and Washington politicians who flew children to Washington D.C. for sex orgies.

2. These areas which the documentary focused on, were:


(a) the use and involvement of Boys Town children and personalities in the Franklin Scandal, particularly Peter Citron and Larry King’s relationships to Boys Town;

(b) the linkage of Franklin to some of this country’s top politicians in Washington, and in the US Congress, with particular attention on those who attended parties held by Larry King at his Washington mansion on Embassy Row;

(c) the impropriety of these politicians and businessmen and compromising of these people by Larry King, through drugs and using children for pedophilia.

[areschild]

152. Have you wondered why

Bush only visits Elementary Schools?

[ixion]

5. link to chunk 3

http://www.thelawparty.org/UnlockedMedia/MediaPlayer/FranklinCoverup/conspiracyofsilence2_chunk_3.wmv

[Solomon]

7. I have a couple of books on this

and I still say that most of our politicians are blackmailed and that's why they say absolutely nothing when shit hits the fan.

[ixion]

8. Kick

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[Wonk]

9. Darn Windows Media Video format won't play for me

and I have the latest version of WMPlayer for Mac OS X, too. It says it can't recognize the codec. :grr:

[ixion]

11. Wonk, save the target to your HD then try and look for a converter...

you should be able to find something that will convert .wmv files to .movs or .mpg's....

[htuttle]

36. For Mac OSX or Linux, look at ffmpeg, or mplayer

Both are open source decoders that can handle (convert and play) a number of windows formats. They can do WMV2 and 3, but I don't think they can do WM 7 or higher (yet).


Both are command line programs, but there are several GUI front-ends available for each.

[NashVegas]

55. Media Player 7.1.3 is the Latest for OS X

And it won't recognize the sound codec. I get video just fine.

[alfredo]

86. I am downloading ffmpeg now. will get back to you.

mplayer is next.

[htuttle]

90. I tried it out with mplayer/ffmpeg last night...

...and while it decodes the video just fine (which is wmv1), the audio can't be decoded by the stock OSX build of ffmpeg (or mplayer), since it uses the 'acelp' audio codec. So you can watch it, but no sound at this point.

Apparently, this is a Microsoft 'direct draw' codec. I found a few open source projects working on it, but haven't tried building them on OSX yet. I will probably try to build it soon.

Finally, I have Virtual PC and a Windoze program called 'TMPGEnc' that converts all sorts of video to all sorts of formats. I'd like to have usable copies of this, so I might take the time to convert all 4 of these to MPEG1, so anyone can watch them. However, it will take HOURS, maybe DAYS, to convert via Virtual PC/TMPGEnc, so it won't be ready today.

[alfredo]

137. Mplayer is pretty good, but I couldn't get the sound. FFmpeg

wouldn't build, got an error2. I found it in Real, so I am downloading it now. If I find a QuickTime version I will give a holler.

[soleft]

10. I get a message that says this file might harm my computer

Can anyone tell me what this is all about?

[ixion]

12. it's a security warning based on your browser settings...

since it's a link to a potentially hazardous file. It doesn't mean that there is something wrong with the video. I went through all four with no odd behaviors...

[Capn Sunshine]

13. It's that evil GBNC again

up to his old tricks in clear violation of his promise to the Software Society of Seattle

actually its your anti-virus software. It's asking if it's ok to download because it's in a format known to transmit viruses.

[Nottingham]

14. Its Biggest point is The Justice Department isn't For Justice

Its for Protection of the powerful!

This is a total example of how powerful men use the government for their own purposes!

I have to say its truly Horendous and it lies in the Republican Party's foundations!

[janekat]

15. It is a DIFFERENT Larry King - not the CNN Larry King

top-ranking Republican Party figure Lawrence King....

[shimmergal]

169. Glad you cleared that up.

I'm not all that keen about TV's Larry King having a younger trophy wife, but that's not in the same league at all as the kid-exploitation stuff.

[KYDEM]

16. KICK

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[Nottingham]

17. Kick

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[Nottingham]

18. Is this what happened To the Lost Children in florida (Jeb Bush)

Is it scary! to know of all the Lost children in the foster system of Florida!

OMG! :bounce:

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

65. bingo! - and now that we know about the coverups in the Catholic Church

at the highest levels, for 50 years, it doesn't seem so impossible, does it?

[KYDEM]

19. Do you think

Bush's speach today about the children for sex was a reminder to some?

[KYDEM]

20. Kick

n/t

[frank frankly]

22. wow--that could be it

whew. pedophiles are out there in droves. i helped a childhood put a rich one in jail. wish he was still in there.

[hang a left]

42. Oh my God, that is exactly what I was thinking.

That it was a warning, you better shut up, I got the goods on you. We know Bush I was implicated in this sex with boys thing. I wonder if bush*s pop is the one that bush is threatening and is he somehow behind all the negative press.

[hang a left]

52. and tell me please please please not Ted Kennedy

[goforit]

21. OMG!!!.....OMG!!!!!.....THE WORST CRIME!!!!!!!!!!

These kids are just kids!!!

What the fuck is their problem!!!!
What a bunch of sick bastards!!!!

[greatauntoftriplets]

23. kick

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[KYDEM]

24. Kick

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[Minstrel Boy]

25. This is one hell of a terrifying rabbit hole

I'm peering down. I thought I'd seen it all, but Jesus Christ - I'm afraid to jump.

I knew very little about this. Doing some googling now, I've read some nearly inconceivable horrors.

I feel like someone recoiling at hearing LIHOP spelled out for the first time. "But they can't be THAT evil!"

Anyone read "The Franklin Cover-Up" by John W. Decamp? It's available from Amazon. Decamp's a former Republican State Senator from Nebraska.

A few more evil revelations like this, and I'm afraid it won't be long before David Icke's reptoid-shape-changers-from-outer-space nonsense starts making sense.

[Andy_Stephenson]

28. Here...

Now read this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=384851&mesg_id=384851

[hang a left]

43. You know when I first read that I said to my self

ok now you have gone too far, it's beyond conspiracy now. But you know I have done some reading and reading and reading. I don't dare mention this to my family. They will have me commited

[maveric]

46. As much as I hate to think it, David Ickes's accounts do make sense.

The whole reptilian thing turned me off but most of his writings are well researched and proven.
I cant remember which of his books it was, but there's a whole chapter about GHW Bu$h, pedopheilia and missing children.

Ickes either a total whcko or a purveyor of the real truth.

[hang a left]

48. he is not the only author that has discussed those subjects

[maveric]

50. Who else writes about this?

Any links?
PM me.

[Generic Other]

26. All I am getting is the silent treatment!

All picture, no sound!

[Cronus Protagonist]

27. Kick

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[Andy_Stephenson]

29. Kick for the night shift and then....

I am off to bed.

[LiberalUprising]

30. KICK

nt

[KYDEM]

31. Kick

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[kathee]

32. Kick

Just disgusting. Im forwarding these links to a few choice talk show idgets.

[Bruce McAuley]

33. Another kick..worth looking at

[Andy_Stephenson]

34. yes it is

:kick:

[sangh0]

35. I wont read any of it

until someone at least gives me some sort of summary

[Mari333]

37. A summary.

http://www.geminiwalker-ink.net/HellFranklin.html
and a google search
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Franklin+Cover+Up

[sangh0]

40. Thank you, Mari

.

[Andy_Stephenson]

77. Sangho glad you checked this thread out.

thanks.

[Fish Eye]

114. Did you read your links??

The geminiwalker "article" is nothing but a string of unrealated and unsubstantiated junk.

The search link had numerous re/cross citations of the same information.

Child pornography is sick shit! and those who are involved should be seperrated from society.

Sex slavery is nothing new but equally as sick.

There is no good evidence for the existance of satanic cults.

Satanic ritual abuse has been debunked and is not accepted by mainsteam psychology.

Maybe I am to skeptical but this all looks as silly as the "we did no tland on the moon" crap.

Evil deeds are an unfortunate part of humanity and although a centralized conspiracy would be great (easier to defeat) it is very unlikely.

[NoKingGeorge]

38. David l Boden related?

Yo gbnc,
Is this related to your post about the president of Oklahoma State University, David l Boden and some upcoming news??

[Andy_Stephenson]

41. Wow...

your sharp!

[Mari333]

44. The only person with enough money to pursue this

and who WOULD pursue it, is Larry Flynt.....
and Michael Moore....on edit

[Andy_Stephenson]

45. I have called his office and they are interested.

Only I am no writer and the story is complex and has many turns and twists.

Want to write it?

[Mari333]

47. Id send them the google page I posted and the video

Surely they have writers on staff!! Its worth pursuiing IMO....an EXPOSE' that would knock-out quite a number of high rank n file people....

[Mari333]

60. who, this guy?

http://pio.okstate.edu/president/bio.html
I dont see the name "Boden" there.

[plcdude]

129. David Boren

is the President of the University of Oklahoma.

[nolabels]

39. So you see that some here you might think a little alarmist, but ......

in truth, they might of witnessed, been victim of, or escaped from. There is a story and some truth to be told. It just does not feel like something that should be brought up, but it has to be none the less. Sorry but this gadfly on the wall felt like that needed to be said. Not that I was, it is just I have seen some pretty nasty stuff so I wounldn't put it past anybody.

[Mari333]

49. Okay answer me this:

Bush makes a speech to the UN, and out of the BLUE, brings up sex rings and child sex trade..why?
Is there something about to happen?? What DO YOU know?? Is an Expose about to unfold that damns a great many in the Reagan Bush admin???
what???
and Bush speaks in Front of the UN, is he distancing himself right now because his admin KNOWS the rumours and the scuttlebutt are that a few of them are going to be exposed?

[maveric]

51. I was just thinking that Mari333.

That part of his speech was off the wall and bizarre. Perhaps he's trying to cover his ass from the sins of his predesessors? To try to act like he's so concerned about child sex/sex traders that he,Poppy and Raygun couldnt possibly know, or be involved in anything this horrible.
It wouldnt surprise me if he takes part in these abominations on children.
Sick Fuck!

[Minstrel Boy]

53. sounded to me, having just read about the Franklin cover up,

that Bush might have been insinuating a threat of blackmail to foreign dignitaries who compromised themselves in a Washington pedophilia ring. Play along on Iraq, or...

That's a foily, paranoid thought, but geez - what is beyond the realm of possibility these days?

[KYDEM]

56. My thoughts exactly

This can also explain why during the Raygun years the repucks got in lock step. Can also explain why maybe some on our side seem to bend over for Bush.

[Mari333]

57. Infinite possibilities of vice, greed, perversion

when it comes to the BFEE.

[berry]

149. I had the same thought--before finding these threads.

I wondered if it was veiled threat to people who would know what he was talking about. I have been wondering for a long time about why Blair was being a poodle--and blackmail, possibly not even of him but of the Royal Family, seemed one admittedly remote possibility. Now, I wonder if it is all that remote.

Anyway, it seems amazing that PBS's "Wide Angle" tonight was about the problem of the worldwide slave-trade (both for sex and for labor). It presented the issue of "illegal aliens" as one of the biggest problems in globalization. It questioned the policies of most nations that punish migrants, but leave the people who employ them unpunished. Hillary was interviewed by Jamie Rubin toward the end. If anyone missed it, go to www.pbs.org --> wide angle to get more info.

[scottxyz]

157. Mari333, it is interesting W is bringing up sex slavery now

Often you see the Republicans engaging in what psychologists call "projection".

Example: Ann Coulter crying "Treason!"

Example: Hitler (now thought to have been a closet-case) killing gays.

[maveric]

54. Possible sabotaged small planes and crashes.

Sounds like the BFEE MO.

[maveric]

58. Kick!

:kick:

[zekeson]

59. Does this explain why Newt

was so hot on having orphanages?

:puke:

[KYDEM]

61. Kick

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[Bushknew]

62. Eyes Wide Shut / Help, is this available for Mac users?

WTF, you mean to tell me that there was an Eyes Wide Shut scenario in the White House
involving Bush and Regan people and little boys.

I donÕt have media player, does anyone have this for Mac?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

63. Thank you, God_bush_n_cheney

Finally someone has to guts to talk about this. Watch your back.

[Snow]

64. ~sigh~ Okay, this is awful stuff, I really hate it,

and I lived in Omaha from 91 - 2002, so a lot of this was coming down at the time. I was a close acquaintance with Tom Harvey and Frances Mendenhall, for example, and at least nodding acquaintance with Val Peters, who knew about the whole thing post-hoc, he says. What's worse, the Franklin Credit Union was supposed to be a boost to the beleagured and segregated black community of Omaha. It's truly tragic that it turned out to be something else altogether. But, okay - here's a link that gives you probably most of what's on the vid (please correct me if there's more)

http://www.tarpley.net/bush21.htm

and this covers what the first one doesn't

http://mysite.users2.50megs.com/cgi-bin/ad/inline?page=coverups/decamp.html&Rtime=1597

[Snow]

66. And Rainbow, feel free to jump in here

if you feel comfortable doing so.
Did I tell you I really, really, appreciated your newspaper columns while living there?

[TacticalPeek]

67. From the 'tarpley' link:

snip
The GQ piece disputed the allegations as a conspiracy theory that went out of control and resonated because of some mystical sociological phenomena allegedly unique to Nebraskan rural folk who will believe anything and burn "with the mistrust of city life that once inflamed the prairie with populist passion."
snip

cf.
POPULIST, n. A fossil patriot of the early agricultural period, found in the old red soapstone underlying Kansas; characterized by an uncommon spread of ear, which some naturalists contend gave him the power of flight, though Professors Morse and Whitney, pursuing independent lines of thought, have ingeniously pointed out that had he possessed it he would have gone elsewhere. In the picturesque speech of his period, some fragments of which have come down to us, he was known as "The Matter with Kansas."

The Devil's Dictionary, Ambrose Bierce

[Nevernose]

72. Can someone post a summary?

Or perhaps mention what this is about?

[screembloodymurder]

68. Has anyone checked out this stuff

I mean, it really is unfucking believable.

[janekat]

69. Yes - scary stuff

think I was a lot happier when I was ignorant....

[smallprint]

70. i'm glad this is getting some attention

i would advise anyone who is just learning about this stuff to look into project paperclip and mk-ultra... the franklin coverup is just one part of a bigger story...

here's some good links to start with:

a canadian radio show had an entire series on organized ritual abuse:
http://www.heart7.net/mcf/can-prog.htm

survivor organizations:
http://www.aches-mc.org/

http://ar.atwola.com/html/7002795/367255347/aol?SNM=HIF&width=234&height=60&target=_top&TZ=300&CT=I

there's a huge amount of information on this kind of abuse, but it is hard to take in... i'm still trying to get my mind around it myself

[Andy_Stephenson]

71. Kick for good links and association Check this link.

to MK Ultra.


http://homepage.tinet.ie/~gulufuture/future/olsondeath.htm

[janekat]

73. articles from the Washington Times from back then....

sorry if these are already posted....

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/03/55931.html

This site links to 19 articles that appeared in Washington Times and other major newspapers back then:

http://www.newsmakingnews.com/sexandcapitol7,18,01.htm#article4

[Minstrel Boy]

74. The "Omaha" chapter in "George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography"

I can't vouch for any of this. I don't know how credible the sources are, or how trustworthy the authors. But there are some frankly horrifying stories here, linking Bush Sr to the Larry King circle.

For instance, there's this, taken from a 50-page handwritten report, interviewing former child victims:

3/25/86. Met with Kathleen and Lisa for about 2 hours in Blair questioning Lisa for more details about sexual abuse.... Lisa admitted to being used as a prostitute by Larry King when she was on trips with his family. She started going on trips when she was in 10th grade. Besides herself and Larry there was also Mrs. King, their son, Prince, and 2-3 other couples. They traveled in Larry's private plane, Lisa said that at these trip parties, which Larry hosted, she sat naked ``looking pretty and innocent'' and guests could engage in any sexual activity they wanted (but penetration was not allowed) with her.... Lisa said she first met V.P. George Bush at the Republican Convention (that Larry King sang the national anthem at) and saw him again at a Washington, D.C. party that Larry hosted. At that party, Lisa saw no women (``make-up was perfect--you had to check their legs to make sure they weren't a woman'').

The polygraph test which Lisa took only centered around sexual abuse committed by Jarrett Webb. At that time, she had said only general things about Larry's trips (i.e. where they went, etc.). She only began talking about her involvement in prostitution during those trips on 3/25/86....

Lisa also accompanied Mr. and Mrs. King and Prince on trips to Chicago, N.Y. and Washington, D.C. beginning when she was 15 years old. She missed twenty-two days of school almost totally due to these trips. Lisa was taken along on the pretense of being Prince's babysitter. Last year she met V.P. George Bush and saw him again at one of the parties Larry gave while on a Washington, D.C. trip. At some of the parties there are just men (as was the case at the party George Bush attended)--older men and younger men in their early twenties. Lisa said she has seen sodomy committed at those parties....

...

Again, for what it's worth. The biography is here, with links to chapters:

http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm#Table

If anybody can shed light on this, please do.

[Andy_Stephenson]

75. How about the story of a Mother who lost a child to these fiends?

http://www.johnnygosch.com/chap.pdf





to buy the book
http://www.johnnygosch.com/book.html

[Mari333]

81. THIS report is interesting

http://www.johnnygosch.com/gunderson_report.html

[robbob]

76. kick

Rethuglican "family values" in action.

[Andy_Stephenson]

78. one last

:kick: good measure

[Mari333]

79. Ill kick too and now

I want to know when this will come out in October and blow the lid off whatever you know is going to happen..

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

80. One thing to remember about Lawrene King and Craig Spence

Republican Craig Spence had his house wired up with video cameras and recording devices. It's obvious that blackmail was the main point - but of course Spence is dead now.

We know there were connections with Republican Craig Spence and Republican Lawrence King of the Franklin coverup. What I want to know is how the Marc Detroux case and the scandal at the Asia Pacific Trade Summit in Seattle in 1993(?) are connected. At the trade summit, it was discovered that the US was hiring underage prostitutes for visiting dignitaries, and there was also videotaping going on.

Perhaps Bush's speech to the UN _was_ a warning to some diplomats and foreign leaders. Who knows what kind of dirt the BFEE has on people - or even more terrifing, what kind of dirt they have on the Bushes.

I have a feeling this whole thing is going to blow wide open real soon.

[Mari333]

82. Is this what Bush was trying to tell the UN?

Because if finger pointing starts, it aims right back at his Poppys White House and friends..

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

83. found some APEC links

There were mainstream press accounts of this back in 93, but I can't find any right now. I can't vouch for these links, but I remember when this scandal broke - in 1993. Beware, this scandal isn't just about Republicans, and you might find yourself disappointed in some Democrats as well.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/ECHELON/apec2.html
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/7/19/181249.shtml
http://mprofaca.cro.net/echelon.html
http://www.shire.net/big.brother/fedpeop5.htm

[Mari333]

84. DINOs? Im never surprised at the levels they will sink to either.

:kick:

[FlaGranny]

116. Is it possible to believe these

extreme right-wing publications? After looking at the first two, I have no interest in the second two. They are the people who have been after Clinton since he decided to run for president.

[NoKingGeorge]

85. Cannot google david l boden University of ok

Based on comments here I looked at David L Boden who as an ex Senator ,resigned under strange circumstances. He was alleged to have dirt (pediphile and homo) on politicians . Now I cannot google him....
scrubbed?
By the way this may be related to some news coming out in October.

[Mari333]

87. News about who and what in October?

and the UN child sex trade speech? Does this have anything to do with it? Is there a link? what do you know?

[lindashaw]

94. I'm just reading all this. I've heard snippets about Poppy before...

and, correct me if I'm wrong, back after Gulf War I didn't I hear talk about Prince Bandar coming over all the time from Saudia Arabia? About how insatiable he was for sex and how the Bush cabinet (perhaps it was congressional officials) lined things up for him?

Why do I want to connect Bush's bizarre UN remark Tuesday to the problems we're having with Saudia Arabia right now?

Maybe I'm dreaming...

[Andy_Stephenson]

96. http://www.sauduction.com/12issue.html

The Arabian Peninsula inhabitants have long been involved in purchasing slaves. Up until recently, most of these slaves were purchased in Africa. With the advent of oil wealth the Saudi princes have been able to extend their slave purchases throughout the world. This has enabled the Saudi princes to become more selective and specialized in their tastes for slaves. The Saud family continue to be the prime purchasers on the international slave trade and are known as high end buyers. The Saudi Arabian Government continues to refuse to sign the United Nations treaties on slavery or other human rights issues because they do not want to be subject to their provisions. They will not sign extradition treaties even with Washington. They constantly declare they are free of slavery but will not allow international scrutiny. We will deal with the kidnaping of US male and female children by Saudi princes and their associates in this issue. We will substantiate the pattern of abuse using documented occurrence where the princes and their associates have been caught.

[Andy_Stephenson]

88. Chuck Hagel of Diebold fame is

involved with franklin but I cannot find the link any longer. Someone?

[Andy_Stephenson]

89. And dont forget Rumsferatu and Dick

__Cheney and Rumsfeld Face Accusations in 1970's CIA Bioweapons Coverup,
Raising Questions About 2001 Anthrax Attack

San Jose Mercury News reports, "The death in 1953 of a government scientist,
Frank Olson, in a fall from a New York hotel window, is one of the most
notorious cases in CIA history. Only in 1975 did Olson's family learn that the
CIA had slipped LSD into his drink, days before his death. President Ford
apologized for an experiment gone awry, and promised that the government would
reveal everything about the case. But newly obtained documents show that the
Ford administration continued to conceal information about Olson --
particularly his role in some of the CIA's most controversial research of the
Cold War, on anthrax and other biological weapons. The documents show that two
of the key officials involved in the decision to withhold that information were
White House aides Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld... 'These documents show the
lengths to which the government was trying to cover up the truth,' said the
scientist's son, Eric Olson." Is this why the Anthrax terrorist remains free?
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/nation/3822588.htm

[Mari333]

92. Just sent that reporter an email also

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/08/1635631.php

[Andy_Stephenson]

97. I have an MP3 of Eric Olson

talking about a meeting held wherein Dick and Don offered up hush money for the Olson affair. In the context of talking about this whole affair.

[sallydallas124]

91. so disturbing

I read parts of The Franklin Coverup sometime back and it has haunted me ever since.

What ever happened to John DeKamp? What about Johnny Gosch's mother? What are they doing now? Would someone be able to find and talk to them?

Recently, two men in a white van tried to get two kids in my city to go with them. I immediately thought about this sordid sh**. I never understood why there were SO many missing children.

[Mari333]

93. Gosch family is still around

http://www.johnnygosch.com
seems the kid is in hiding

"Johnny is now 31 years old. After years of suffering tremendous torture and pain at the hands of his captors, being used and abused, he and several others escaped. They have been living in hiding under new identities... they fear for their lives."

[Andy_Stephenson]

95. Wouldn't you?

I would if I were him. Paul Bonacci he is the one to talk to. He knows what's up.

I have a theory about Lt. Delmart Joseph Vreeland (SIC) as well.

[Mari333]

98. Yes I would now tell us about your theory

.

[Andy_Stephenson]

99. Do you know Vreelands story,

and do you know I know him?

then we will go from there.

[Mari333]

100. NO but is this the guy you said told you about

breaking news in October?

[Andy_Stephenson]

101. Learn about Vreeland here

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0210/S00005.htm

[Rich Hunt]

102. yawn

Sorry...before I check something out, I always consider the source.

"The Law Party" are conspiracist fruitcakes.

http://www.publiceye.org/tooclose/conspiracism.htm

[Andy_Stephenson]

103. Ok bye then...

there is far more in this thread than just them...So go back to sleep. Nothing to see here.

:eyes:

[Minstrel Boy]

104. The Law Party has nothing to do with the documentary.

The documentary was filmed several years ago for British television. Whichever site is hosting it now is irrelevent.

[Mari333]

105. right....there is MUCH to see

a great deal....right on the heels of a UN speech where Bush brings up child sex traders..
If anything, NOW is the time to start researching just what THAT was all about and WHY.

[Andy_Stephenson]

106. Here look at this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2948766.stm

It is international in scope as G dubya said.

[Minstrel Boy]

107. Damn - now I'm reminded of the case in Belgium:

ritual abuse, pedophilia, murder, and the charge of a government cover-up.

From the London Telegraph, Aug 17, 2001:


Belgium accused of cover-up in Dutroux inquiry

FIVE years after the bodies of four murdered Belgian girls were discovered at houses owned by the paedophile Marc Dutroux, the father of one of them has accused the country's police and justice system of a cover-up ensuring that his trial has still not begun.

The claims by Paul Marchal, father of An Marchal, who was 17 when she disappeared in 1995, echo what many Belgians now privately believe: that Dutroux and his paedophile ring had connections with high-ranking members of the establishment in Belgium.

In a country that is becoming inured to corruption in public life, the theory of a cover-up is now increasingly accepted as the real reason why the Dutroux case has yet to come to court.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/08/17/wbelg17.xml

Rather terrifying summary of the case and cover-up here:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,710090,00.html

[Mari333]

108. and this cover up

http://www.counterpunch.org/james01292003.html

[Minstrel Boy]

109. I'm coming to the conclusion that we're

ruled by monsters. (Though they needn't come from outer space.)

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

117. yes

Dutroux is a key part of this.

[Fish Eye]

110. Anybody consider that this guy may be a crank???

Are there any sources besides what this guy claims???? anyone can fake any evidence on the internet.

[Minstrel Boy]

111. which "guy" are you talking about?

Have you seen the documentary or read about the case? There's not just a single source for this.

[Fish Eye]

115. Hello, I was speaking of

J T Chelton. I have not seen the documentary but I have read a great deal about this on the internet.

My concern is with some of the phrases and terms used by mr Chelton . It appears that he is possibly paranoid. That is just my opinion but I have had contact with nice people who were/are paranoid and delusional. The facts of Chelton's case may be somewhat acurate or they may be the fabrications of a mentally ill person. I would love to see his psych evaluations from his hospitalizations. I might have missed them somewhere and if so I would truly like to see them.

:)

[Mari333]

118. all research , all facts, all study should be done

if there is a pedophile connection to top officials in any administration...Its a known FACT now that Neil Bush, the presidents brother, procured prostitutes in Thailand..


If Bush Brings UP child sex trading in a speech at the UN, TOUGH SHIT....we will pursue everything out there that links his administration to pedophilia...
Thats why this forum exists. To debate and show information .
No one wants to believe Bush stole the election in 2000 either..But he did, and thats been proven.
Now, this is another story that NEEDS to be debated and checked out. Period.

[Fish Eye]

123. I absolutely agree!!!

This is something worth pursuing. My only concern is that the evidence should be gathered and tested and must be rock solid with no gaps or logical loopholes.

Original documentation is vital.

If this is for real then people really will be in danger if they investigate.

There is so much wacky/scary shit on the internet that it is hard to tell what is real or what is fantasy. There are facts to this story but do they all add up to a central conspiracy????

It took the work of a few brave people, who worked against great odds and are still working against impediments, to break open the story of vote fraud in 2000 and the continuing problem with electronic voting.

If the child porno/sex slave trade could be investigated until the general public hears of it then great! It needs to be done right like the work of Harris, Palast and others.

:)

[Andy_Stephenson]

125. How about the case of Paul Bonacci?

I have all documents from that case in the case file. I just happen to have a copy of it. Came from the US District Court...Omaha. Will you accept that or do you want to read the psych evals from the Judge, Jury and attoeneys before accepting them?

[Fish Eye]

127. The bonacci case

is quite sad. What I see is a very disturbed man who was used by another even more disturbed man to do terrible things. I have not seen the evidence (documents) from the case against MR King but I would accept that the court found evidence of abuse by King.

I would like to see the evidence presented to prove that Mr Bonacci was the victim of satnic cult rituals.

I do not doubt that there are some evil sick fucks walking around. I have seen some of their victims and have many contacts in foster/group home community.

I haev personally seen some fucked up shit and have met some evil assed people ( I knew a serial killer )

However, I find it hard to believe in grand conspiracys. I would belive but th eproof would have to be rock solid.

Is the case file that you have online somewhere? (a brief search found the case number and copies of summation but I could not find all the filings online)

[Andy_Stephenson]

130. I ordered a transcript with all relavent docs from the

court.

[shance]

119. Actually I would hope you would be more interested in the psych

evaluations of the sick people that would engage in this twisted, disturbed, and maniacal abuse of power, and destruction of innocent children.

And you are worried about HIS psych records?

[Fish Eye]

121. By all means

I am in favor of studying the sickness that drives people to commit horrible acts.

My comments have not been directed to the actual documentary but have been about Mr Chelton. Sorry for the confusion.

[Minstrel Boy]

124. I'm not as familiar with Chelton as you but I agree that we need to

read with discernment. We're all feeling paranoid after three years of Bush, but we should also admit there is such a thing as clinical paranoia. We can't accept every charge against Bush and his crowd uncritically. And in fact, examining these charges critically is to show the greatest respect for their gravity.

[Fish Eye]

128. Well put.

Sometimes it is hard to check the paranoia. A critical look will be good because even if it fails to find a grand conspiracy it will bring to light some great evil. If it does prove a grand conspiracy well then...the shit will really hit the fan!

[Mari333]

122. The more we debate it the more we can uncover

If Bush brings up the child sex trade, it is GLOVES OFF for anyone who wants to research and study the damning evidence out there that links ANY administration to pedophilia...ANY administration..
MORE needs to be talked about in this arena, not less.
Bush brought it up at the UN speech, Strike while the Iron is hot if his Poppys administration is committing a cover up...

[Fish Eye]

126. You are on to something...

once again I agree with you but once again the waters must not be muddied by thing that are not provable facts and correlative logic should not be used.

Only facts that can be linked through logical paths that are irrefutable should be used.

Any gaps will be used by the guilty in the form of "plausible deniability"

[Mari333]

112. Have you read the whole thread and clicked on all the links?

Until then, you have no idea.
On the heels of a Bush speech at the UN that sways and meanders about child porn and child slavery and child sex trade, I think its all worth looking at and studying.

[Andy_Stephenson]

113. I have tracked this for a long time

it is particularly vital to uncover the truth.

[Fish Eye]

120. I have read..

Several dozen sites concerning Mr Cheltons "case". I am unable (due to techno-ignorance and dialup) to view .wmv files. I would like to see the documentaries that are being discussed.

I, like most people would like to have the complexities of the forces of evil be tied together so neatly fo rthen it would be simple to defeat. I am a skeptic.

In regards to the Bush comments on child slavery it is odd but not conclusive enough for me.

I do believe in conspiracy it i sjust the scale of it that I have a hard time with.

:)

[Snow]

131. I see your point, Fish-eye

Certainly while living in Omaha, my teenage son loved to whine that "nothing ever happens here" and that certain;y was believable. However, something else that bothered him - I thought it was kind of neat - was that sooner or later you meet damn near evryone. I lived there just as this business, particularly the thing with Alyssha Owen, was winding down, but I knew several people who were heavily involved in that. I have no doubt that she was not lying; that she was indeed impregnated by the police chief and involved in some very nasty business. She was not quite as portrayed, an honor student, school leader, etc when the trouble developed - she was at that point a fairly typical girl who likes to get into a bit of trouble and got into a lot more than she bargained for. It was only later when the whole thing was opening up (then shutting again) and she was in college, that she started working on her studies, and so on. Anyway,, my acquaintances who were involved in the case, especially an investigative reporter, seemed principally focused upon demonstrating that when it was Alyssha's word against Wadman's, Alyssha was being truthful, and I don't recall them going any deeper than sort of a local sex scandal thing. Later I heard though that Val Peters, who was director of Boys Town in the 90's, had known about the sex trade thing, but it happened before he arrived so he truly wasn't involved. I had my disagreements with Fr. Peters, but he seemed to me a man of integrity.

Anyway, where was I going with this? It seemed like such a small time scandal at the time....and yet looking at things now, the wider web, it makes sense. I don't know about the Iran-Contra connection, or huge campaign contributions from the Franklin Credit Union (unless King got the money from somewhere other than his depositers), and at the time I was inclined to think there might be a vendetta against the black community - which tends to be oppressed anyway in Omaha. But in retrospect, the whole story of an ambitious young black repug in a tight isolated community which neverthless swings a lot of conservative political power, makes sense and coheres well with what I saw and heard there. Also, somebody earlier questioned Chuck Hagel's involvement - I don't think that he was; at least I'd not heard of it, but the publisher of the Omaha World-Herald, Harold Anderson, certainly was involved, and the World-Herald is part of the conglomerate that owns the voting machine company that Chuck was a part of. Everybody's connected to everybody else in Omaha, by considerably less than the proverbial six degrees.

[Mari333]

132. This googling has a lot of information

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Harold+Anderson+Franklin+cover+up

[Andy_Stephenson]

133. I was talking about the hagel involvement.

I had a link saved on my hard drive that connected him to it. However, when my computer crashed a month or so ago I lost it.

[KYDEM]

134. Kick

n/t

[janekat]

135. They have info on this on the "FREE REPUBLIC" message board

I ran across it when I was doing a google search on "Conspiracy of Silence."

Can you flippin' believe it???? AND these freepers were p.o.'d. and disgusted. Bush lost himself a few votes there.

Check it out:
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a388cd49f5ce8.htm

[Mari333]

136. IMo they got the info off this thread

and are twisting it to damn gay folks.
I ignore everything the Freeps say.

[Andy_Stephenson]

138. No this was a valid research attempt by the freeps

this is an AWESOME find. There are links and information I have never seen. Check it out.

[Zuni]

155. I looked at their stuff

and they have alot of stuff about homosexual prostitutes involved with congressmen, government officials, foreign diplomats

[janekat]

142. they're renegade freepers - they were worried about getting kicked off

[Snow]

145. Fascinating - guess the great minds of the Freepers and DU

run alike in this instance. A couple of local references for those of you looking through that stuff.
Sen. Ernie Chambers represents northeast Omaha - the black neighborhoods - , and does so very well. He's the one real liberal in the Nebraska legislature, and often keeps the rest of them from some idiocy simply by filibustering. Some of the more right-wing of them have tried to muzzle him and usually fail, and the rest of them truly do appreciate him. He does, in all honesty, have some problems of anti-white bias, and pre-judgement against those of perceived higher social class....but I was very glad he was in that statehouse. Nebraska would be a lot more regressive without him in there.

Also, fairly far down the page there's something about the "Twin Towers". That refers to a double apartment tower just to the west of downtown Omaha. It was fairly well-known that a lot of the Franklin shenanigans had taken place there. Last I saw, the "Twin Towers" were looking pretty run-down and shabby. Not meaning any pun or connection or double-entendre here with the WTC.

[Andy_Stephenson]

147. Is the "Twin Towers" actually

twin towers...

[Snow]

153. There are two buildings, side-by-side....

calling them "towers" is a bit presumptuous. But they are labelled "Twin Towers" in a sort of 50's font.

[Andy_Stephenson]

154. Ah ok

thanks

[TroubleMan]

140. Bump

Keep this at the front.

I still think that it's disturbing that Lawrence King looks exactly like Heavy-D with good hair.


For those of you who don't understand why that's disturbing.....
Heavy-D's group was called Heavy-D AND THE BOYS!!

How ironic.

[Andy_Stephenson]

143. Were you at free republic once?

Not calling you a freeper but your use of bump is telling.

Are you one of the posters to the thread?

:kick: kick

[TroubleMan]

146. No bump is used everywhere but here...

as far as I know.

I've always seen bump. Here I see kick, but I've been posting on forums for years.

(on edit) I've never posted on freep before. I'm probably one of the most liberal people here, and I would stand WWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY out there. I think a lot of people on this board are too conservative for me .... lol.

My main thing is that I think we should pretty much abolish corporations all together, and an employer can't make more that 10 times what his lowest paid employee makes. That's TOTAL compensation (i.e. stocks, 401K, profit sharing, bonuses, ect), not just salary.

The freepers would boot me in a heartbeat.
(Sorry didn't mean to hijack topic)

[Andy_Stephenson]

148. I think we may be friends.

I am for revoking corporate personhood.

[janekat]

162. Average CEO pay is more than 485 times that of the average worker

http://www.ntac.org/news/01/02/15ivins.html

......Personally, I prefer to call them greedy bastards, and to point out that there is absolutely no limit to their insatiable greed. In 1990, average CEO pay was 80 times that of the average worker: by 1999, it was 485 times that of the average worker.

Rich folk are feeling picked on. I have nothing against rich people; I hope to become one myself. But I'll be darned if I want to pay more in taxes than they do.

President Bush holds a news conference with his "tax families" purporting to show that a $25,000-a-year waitress with two kids is a beneficiary of this tax cut. But according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, under the Bush plan, 12 million lower- and moderate-income families, supporting 24 million children, get absolutely nothing out of this tax cut.

Here's the Catch-22: 74 percent of American taxpayers pay more in payroll taxes than they do in income taxes. A $26,000-a-year couple with two kids would have their income tax liability eliminated, thus saving exactly $20, but they would still be paying $2,689 in payroll taxes.

According to 'The Wall Street Journal,' a noted organ of class warfare, a middle-management couple with two kids making $180,000 a year would get a $2,000 tax break, but the $18,000-a-year worker with wife and two kids would get nothing.

This is unfair, unjust and wrong. It is class warfare waged by the robber baron rich against everybody else.

It stinks.

[rman]

168. interesting numbers

It allows for making a guestimate of how much some other nations are 'trailing behind' the US wrt income distribution:
In The Netherlands the CEO:worker pay ratio currently is roughly 100:1 (and people are starting to make noises about it). So we'r some 10 years behind, though i'm affraid our current government is trying hard to catch up.

Let's not forget the fact that the difference in capital is much larger: the capital of the average worker is near non exsistant. Some may think they're rich because they have several $10,000 in savings, some may even have a $100,000 or so. Most have hardly any reserves at all.
I guess a low CEO capital would be in the order several $100,000. Going up all the way to multiple millions, and more. They could do without income and still live in luxury for the rest of their lives while many workers can't afford (health) insurance, and are facing a less then secure financial future. This is more so in the US then elsewhere.

These rich types too say they love their country, but apparently they don't care much about most of their fellow country men.
Instead of saying "i'm doing well so i can help out those who can't make ends meet", they say "i'm doing well so i'm gonna get still more and i'm gonna keep it to myself, and those who can't make end meet are losers".
In their mind "the nation" does not include all of the people that make up that nation. They'd be happy if most of the losers would just disapear so there'd be still more for themselves (they do need a few losers to do the dirty work).

Ok so this is slightly off topic but it bumbed the topic.

[janekat]

159. I've seen "bump" used on other message boards n/t

[FDRrocks]

141. SICK.

Watched the first part for now. Does anyone know the names of the higher up officials they "can't name" in the first part?

I had read a short article a while back on this, implicating ole' Pappy Bush himself.

These people are depraved beyond all reality. This one goes out to all the non violent and innocent people in prison, we'll make the swap someday, friends.

[Andy_Stephenson]

144. Look at this.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/02/1570946.php

[Oilwellian]

150. and this....

Ok, I just spent the past few hours peaking into this dark hole. It's going to take days to sort through everything posted in this thread. I found Rusty Nelson's story very intriguing because it's recent and it appears he has many photographs of some of the officials involved in this sex ring.


Rusty Nelson was brought into the sex ring when he was 8 years old and eventually became Larry King's photographer of the sex parties involving mostly boys and top republican officials in D.C. If you read the entire story, he was going to be extradicted to Oregon and his lawyer was very concerned for his safety. After writing of his concerns to officials in Nebraska, he had Rusty write the following statement. Also note, in other parts of this report, Rusty apparently still has many of these photographs hidden.
<snip>
RUSTY NELSON’S SWORN STATEMENT OF JUNE 22, 2000

Realizing Rusty Nelson’s life was in danger upon returning to Oregon, Ted Gunderson (this writer), arranged for the following statement to be furnished by Nelson:



In Rusty Nelson’s "Legal Document" of 6-22-2000, he describes his numerous attempts on his life, including three times in which he was shot at. He writes:



"We have contacted the Governor, even the Attorney General, for help and witness protection, of which we were denied. I do not trust the FBI, or the marshals as they had their own people who were found guilty in their involvement with the Franklin ordeal. Not to mention my house was searched, ransacked, and utterly demolished after mentioning on the phone from jail in Portland where I hid some of the evidence in my home in Nebraska. When my family arrived, my home was in shambles. This was much of the same photos and copies of various records pertaining to Larry King’s sex ring and the huge amounts of money he stole from the depositors of Franklin Credit Union that I gave to Gary Caradori the day he and his son were murdered when their plane "mysteriously" broke apart on the flight back to Nebraska from Illinois just after I gave him copies of the evidence. Also quite mysteriously was was the fact that Gary’s plane crashed near the city where the former Chief of Police Wadman, who was run out of Omaha due to his involvement with



Larry King, and Franklin. But more importantly whom I saw personally take a bribe of 1 ½ to 2 inch stack of $100. bills from Larry King on a side street in downtown Omaha. I was in Larry’s white Mercedes with them and secretly tape-recorded this transaction. Things like this really instill faith in the institutions of law, order, and justice for all.



"But on the grand scale was Mr. King’s close ties with the national Republican party. I always wondered who all he had to blackmail and pull strings with so he could make his dream come true of singing the National Anthem to open the 1988 National Republican Convention... That’s right, he did. Partly a great deal of this was due to some extremely large amounts of money diverted from Franklin to the campaign war chest and more so the special invite sex and drug parties at King’s home on Embassy Row in Washington, D.C. often after a normal party to serve as cover. It was shocking to see who would show up behind closed doors afterwards to fulfill their fantasies and desires. It went all the way to the top! Regan , Bush, and yes, even hopeful Wannabe Baby Bush. The Secret Service would even go so far as to sweep and secure the house for them.



"Much of this I had not mentioned to anyone prior to this as Larry King often threatened my life and well-being should information such as this get out. I still fear greatly for my safety and well-being should information such as this get out. I still fear greatly for my safety and well-being whether he is in prison or not. I have seen what he is capable of and he has probably told me of various people I knew who he had murdered so well that they would be written off as suicides and such due to his connection and the "flowers" ($$$) he would send to various law enforcement officials. This was much the way that he would keep able to providing children, usually young boys, located by Sam Soda and gay prostitutes for his ‘friends’ as well as for various sadistic and cult rituals where they would torcher and brand them as they were being sexually abused , orally, anally, and however else they could possibly think of.



"An other dark villain was Colnel Akino to whom King paid off with a suitcase of bearer bonds and cash earmarked for covert Contra operations. He also was big into sadistically inflicting pain, especially to the defenseless children.



"We also feel from the harassment and actions of Nebraska Senior Parole Officer Ken Drahota that he most likely has been corrupted by parties associated who wish to see that I am rendered financially and emotionally bankrupt and kept locked away where I cannot retri eve the evidence which still remains hidden that will prove without a doubt the identity and crimes of many of the parties involved in the many unjust and unspeakable acts committed by those surrounding Larry King. Mr. Drahota has also taken measures to make it extremely difficult for me to speak out freely at this time and has instigated my being detained in Columbus, Nebraska at the Public County jail so I can be extradited to Oregon on a Parole violation of which we are unable to find out what was the violation.



"I do have evidence still available. It would take great effort, personal risk and resources to even attempt my retrieving these items. I will gladly do so under the right conditions".

http://www.johnnygosch.com/gunderson_report.html

[Guaranteed]

161. Even "Baby Bush"?

Oh MAN...if that ever got out....

[areschild]

151. Can't open

I just get a lot of garbage. I have Windows ME, using Netscape. How can I get it?

[Zuni]

156. Unfortunatly

I think many ghovernments around the world use prostitutes, call girls and call boys to entertain foreign guests and VIPs.

It is part of 'diplomacy'.

[Bushknew]

170. Maybe Bush has the "goods" on many people at the UN.

And merely mentioning international sex slavery was just code for them to fall in line.

These private sex parties might be standard diplomacy for VIPs but must also be the gold standard in blackmail material.

Talk about control.

Now do as we say or weÕll show your wife and/or all of America that special
tape with little orphan Johnny.

They had no blackmail material on Clinton or Jimmy Carter, so they had no control over them.

Makes me wonder even more about WÕs pretzel and black eye incident.

[Andy_Stephenson]

174. "They had no blackmail material on Clinton"

Wanna bet???

Think Cocaine and Mena Ak

On August 23, 1987, seventeen-year-old Kevin Ives and sixteen-year-old Don Henry, were murdered in a rural community just south of Little Rock. Their bodies were placed on railroad tracks and run over by a passing train. A cover-up began immediately and eventually extended to every level of government involving local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies. Through the tenacity of Kevin's mother, Linda, the coverup is finally unraveling. Kevin and Don inadvertently witnessed a drug drop that was part of the international drug smuggling operation out of Mena, Arkansas. The cover-up has been perpetuated to prevent exposing the involvement of three U.S. presidents in the crimes of Mena. Obstruction of Justice, which was meticulously editted for accuracy, tells the amazing story of drugs, murders, and betrayal by our government officials.

http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/mena/menadth.html


Seal's legacy includes more than 2,000 newly discovered documents that now verify and quantify much of what previously had been only suspicion, conjecture, and legend. The documents confirm that from 1981 to his brutal death in 1986, Barry Seal carried on one of the most lucrative, extensive, and brazen operations in the history of the international drug trade, and that he did it with the evident complicity, if not collusion, of elements of the United States government, apparently with the acquiescence of Ronald Reagan's administration, impunity from any subsequent exposure by George Bush's administration, and under the usually acute political nose of then Arkansas governor Bill Clinton.

http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/mena/menacrim.html

PAUL DeRIENZO: Thank you very much Mark Swaney --this is an amazing story and the amazing thing about it is that this is the *real* story about Governor Bill Clinton and that what we're getting served to us from all the media from start to finish from morning to night headlines in all the New York papers, is this thing about Governor Clinton and this woman Jennifer Flowers and her association with the Governor who is married for 14 years, and the real story which you get on WBAI underneath it all from our contacts in Arkansas is that in fact the Governor of Arkansas is covering up an illegal operation that began in the Vice President's office who is now President of the United States -- George Bush. Which makes me wonder why should I even bother voting -- who's there to vote for. I mean both sides the Democrats and the Republicans are involved.

http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/mena/165618.html

[Butterflies]

158. kick

I didn't know about this. The films and pictures that were taken at these "parties" need to be shown all over the media so ordinary people (including non-partisan repubs) will push for more investigation and punishing the pedophiles involved. It makes me sick to know this happened and the government covered it up by lying and killing.

[scottxyz]

160. It all finally clicked

Some leaders of the Republican party are like some leaders of the Catholic Church: They user the holier-than-thou conservatism of their institution as a cover for the fact that they are pedophiles.

See also famous homosexual homophobes Roy Cohn, Adolf Hitler.

See also the psychological phenonemon of "projection" - calling someone else something bad because you yourself think you're guilty of it. Trying to beat them to the punch, sully the debate early - the pot PRE-EMPTIVELY calling the kettle black.

This is NOT to say that all homosexuals are somehow "bad" like Roy Cohn or Hitler or Lawrence King or Father Flanagan or the many pedophile priests in the Catholic Church.

What this is saying is that HOMOPHOBIC HOMOSEXUALS may tend to gravitate towards conservative institutions because such persons are "projecting" and they want to cast the first stone to cover up their own perverted proclivities. In the end, however, they abuse their positions of power and give in to their temptations and even worse scandal and tragedy results.

Homophobia, by making some homosexuals feel guilty about themselves and "go underground" and finally go after easy prey (kids) (perhaps initially because they can't handle dealing with an adult relationship because that would require coming to terms with their homsexuality, which their homophobia condemns) - Homophobia, by making these homosexuals go underground like this, is probably a significant contributing factor to the spread of pedophilia.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

166. very insightful

good point about homophobia. I think a lot of sources posted here might tend towards homophobic sensationalism, due to the time period - the late 1980s. I would even say that this scandal kept the Bush Republicans from attacking the LGBT community too harshly, because they themselves could never withstand a public scrutiny of their personal lives, and the double standards they expected.

The way they turned a blind eye to Saudi slavery was shameful.

[Andy_Stephenson]

167. The way they turned a blind eye to Saudi slavery was shameful.

they still are.

[LanternWaste]

163. Holy Mary Mother of God!!!!

Jesus Christ! (and I'm a Presbyterian so I don't usually say that...). This is some pretty amazing stuff and I'm only halfway through two of the links!

If even a portion of this turns out to be true...I can't even think of the consequences that would be brought down. This makes the 'rat-fucking' used during and pre-Watergate look like kids play.

This is some bad, bad stuff. Bad enough to make me want to crawl into the shower just for reading and hearing this crap.

This is bad. If this is true... I can't imagine... I'm at a loss.

[Andy_Stephenson]

165. Get in the shower

because it's all true.

[LanternWaste]

171. I'm unemployed and poor, but if you need help, just say the word and I'm t

Shit. I always gave myself a little pat on the back every now and then for attempting to be a critical thinker and voter. But this was never even a blip on my radar until you posted it. I watched the video (thank God for DSL) and have been reading the links and articles supplied in the thread and I am ready to throw my hands up if this turns out to be true and start telling myself that white is black.

Dammit! I don't care who this touches. I don't care where the pieces land. I don't care if this results in a paradigm shift in western politics, but DAMMIT, this needs to be investigated, reported, indictments handed down, names named and damn the fucking torpedoes.

I'm in your corner right now. PM me or e-mail me or whatever one does on this board. I'm unemployed and poor, but if you need help, just say the word and I'm there.

Christ help us. This is bad.

[Andy_Stephenson]

172. Spread the word...

research...post the links and evidence here.

and I agree...no matter who it touches...they need to be brought to task over this.

[uhhuh]

173. Kick

This has got to stay in everyone's view. I have to go to work, but as soon as I get home, I'm coming right back to this. We have got to stay on this and determine if there is anything provable here. The DU investigators are the best, but we have to persue this with the intention of examining it skeptically to make sure that the allegations are totally provable. Witnesses, court documents, statements, all have to be examined to build an unbeatable case againt these sickos, otherwise it won't be possible to get the public at large to believe it.

[Andy_Stephenson]

175. I have the transcripts of the Bonacci case

here at home. It is apalling what was done is being done and what has been covered up.

[Snow]

178. Okay, GBNC, someone you might oughta get in touch with

is Frances Mendenhall. She's still in Omaha. She's the Green Party founder for the state, runs for political office periodically, makes her rather modest living as a dentist, and in the late 80's early 90's published a left-wing newspaper. She did a lot of investigating into the Alyssha Owens / Wadman affair - don't know if she got into other aspects of whole business - but it can't hurt to ask her. If you have any trouble finding an email, let me know & I should be able to locate her.

[Andy_Stephenson]

179. OK I have been searching for her name

can't find it...please help.

Gbnc

[Andy_Stephenson]

176. kick

for good measure.

[Andy_Stephenson]

177. Regarding Bush's comments with Pooty Poot

What the fuck was it all about...and why all the sudden interest in Rape and sexual slavery. What is the new product they are launching?

[LanternWaste]

180. THE Hunter Thompson?

I found this which, while it may not be news to anyone in the know about, surprised the hell out of me (if it's true)...


http://www.thelawparty.com/FranklinCoverup/FranklinBookGrove.htm

In other testimony Bonacci said that Larry King was smiling and laughing the whole time the film was being shown, and that "the men with the hoods" were a Satanic group which planned to use the dead boy in some sort of ceremony. He also named the director of the snuff film, whom they had picked up in Las Vegas, as "Hunter Thompson."

[Andy_Stephenson]

181. Well Brice Taylor has named

Bob Hope and Henry Kissinger as her tormenters...so it might very well be.

http://members.aol.com/castloc/Brice.html

[uhhuh]

182. Hey Everybody! Check this Freep link out!

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a388cd49f5ce8.htm
This is from jan. 2000.

[Andy_Stephenson]

183. This was posted in the link

I have half a mind to get into my freeper suit and post it again over there. or "Bump it"

[Andy_Stephenson]

184. This was posted in the link

I have half a mind to get into my freeper suit and post it again over there. or "Bump it"

[Gato Moteado]

185. unbelievable!

nt

[Andy_Stephenson]

188. Believe it

it's true.

[Snow]

186. Those of you who have expressed an interest in pursuing this issue further

and enlisting the impressive investigative facilities and talents of Democratic Underground regulars, I have made a suggestion to GBnC and shall repost it now.
In my opinion we should develop a "wish list" - what bits of evidence would we like to have that are not already in the possession of (for example) DeCamp. In the process, we need to consider carefully -
- would these further bits of evidence be sufficient to have some effect on the criminals
- and if so, how much effect and what level (ie, could we take down Bob Wadman but not GWH Bush)
- should we join forces with someone like DeCamp or other investigator?
- Are the items on the wish list realistically obtainable?
- if so, where might they be and how would we go about obtaining them?

The final issue to consider is whether this matter is simply too old to make any real difference. After all, this all happened well over ten years ago, a couple of guilty parties were identified and took a fall in terms of prison sentences, story finished. And any allegations about anyone higher than Omaha local yokels being involved are
1) just allegations from a bunch of hooligan kids
2) happened years ago anyway.

So, I read some serious offers of committment on this hunt....what do you all think; what suggestions and comments do you have about my proposed approach?

[frank frankly]

187. kick

horrifying stuff
I believe it.

[Andy_Stephenson]

191. I have wanted to pursue this for a long long time.

it is an issue close to my heart.