Voters' Eternal Hell

[smartvoter]

Why is it so hard to get people to see election fraud for what it is?

The new report documents suppression and such but whitewashes fraud because it can't be tabulated to >= 130,000 votes.

The genius behind the machines, and the inability to audit results, is there will NEVER be "PROOF" beyond statistical extrapolation.

We can forever have peripheral checks and balances (e.g., exit polls) but never be able to "prove" the case without auditable balloting.

At the VERY LEAST, the DNC should have said it is impossible to tell whether there were enough flipped votes to make a difference. This would at least provided a foundation for us to further the cause for auditable voting methodologies. Instead, we have articles vindicating those who said there was not enough fraud to tilt the election.

Not broken = don't fix it.

BOTTOM LINE: We could be in this limbo, with all signs pointing one way and the vote pointing the other, for eternity.

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. Not just not seeing it, but only partially seeing it. some folks think

the boxes are stuffed before the election and if we just get enough votes we can make up for the fraud.

Nope.

They adjust the numbers as needed as they go. And they come out the "winners".

[Melodybe]

3. I was happy with the Dean report, voter supression is a big part

how they control things. I'm glad that they addressed all that, those that were intimidated and kept from voting deserved recognition.

They recommended an auditable paper trial and not using e-voting.

I just disagree with this thread.

[smartvoter]

4. Hasn't this "recommendation" been around for a long time?

Don't we need to show that a big problem exists to get anywhere?

I know what you're saying, but the way this is playing out is that W actually won and there were no major fraud problems uncovered.

[JRob]

5. I get "the next election..." from people all the time, to which I reply...

what makes you think that any vote makes a bit of difference?

The entire system IS massively corruptible from the electoral college to the electronic voting machines and the fact that no one seems capable of proving it (one way or the other) is a testament.

[JRob]

2. no problem here...

no paper trial = something to hind.