appr. how many men, women & children have been killed in Iraq?

[mopaul]

i'm just including them all, any iraqi, whatever you want to call them, rebels, insurgents, or just 'the killers' like bush does.

does ANYONE know approximately how many have been bombed, tortured, burned, shot and blasted to death and then utterly forgotten?

[bullimiami]

1. noone knows.

theres all the bombed, the innocent, the semi innocent, the iraqi soldiers, the so called 'insurgents'.

they guessed 100,000 but that was labelled civilians it think, has to be well over that and with the absolute slaughter of the opening days and the shock and 'awe' im thinking it has to be over 250,000 maybe a lot more....

[mopaul]

3. that about ties with the tsunami, 240,000

is it even possible that we've slaughtered that many?

[RaleighNCDUer]

4. That depends on if you are counting direct deaths or counting

"premature deaths". Direct deaths are 'officially' in the neighborhood of 25,000 - but those premature deaths, as counted in the Lancet article, also include sick people who are unable to obtain medicine or hospitalization, infant deaths, heart attacks unable to get to the hospital, suicides, etc., and a year ago were counted as 100,000. Since then there have been many major operations, like Fallujah, where there is no telling how many were killed, or how many died trying to escape the siege, and another full year of sporadic electricity, bad water, sewage flowing in the streets.

I think 200,000 would be conservative.

[justinsb]

2. It depends ...

The best number I can give you is 22,434 to 25,426

But read this for more
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/iraq/casualties.html

And thanks for bringing this up. To me the US casualties are not the tragedy of this war - all deaths are sad, but the deaths of Iraqi civilians is nothing less than murder.

[The Magistrate]

5. That Seems A Reasonable Number, Sir

It is very easy to over-estimate the totals in a matter like this.

[justinsb]

7. well, that is likely an underestimate

given the theory that many iraqi deaths are not reported if there is no media, or official agency to report them to, but that is the best guess right now. Please do read this
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/iraq/casualties.html

[The Magistrate]

10. It Was A Good Piece, Sir

Thank you for making it available here. You get far better coverage of events up there....

[justinsb]

12. Thanks, glad you found it informative

my wife and many of our friends work for the CBC, they work very hard to gather the best information they can and try to keep their bias' personal and not put them on the air.

[Selatius]

6. The depleted uranium will kill many more at the end of the day

It will be our legacy we leave behind in Iraq long after the fighting ends. It'll be much like the Agent Orange we left behind for Vietnam.

[DistressedAmerican]

8. Just Saw A Brand New Study From A Reputable Source That Says 117,000

Can't for the life of my remember who's study it was. It was a source I found credible though. I have dropped the much lauded 100,000 in favor of this new study's estimate.

[Oversea Visitor]

9. Even one is too many

Bush lie people die
War illegal
Big price wait for USA
And USA so broke now
Bad x(

[Karenina]

11. Well, HOT DAMN.

SOMEBODY had to say it straight out!!!

:hi: OV!!! :loveya:

[Oversea Visitor]

14. I am waiting to try new recipe

I see you beat me
Peice of roasted Chimp serve with rice steam in rum bacon make from dick ( animals is secret hush hush)
Me see you call it
Reason of war dish
Name very very accurate hey

Those retards in for surprise
I see dog know better :)

[WilliamPitt]

13. Baseline 24,000, from the UN report

but the Lancet pegged it at 98,000 several months ago. You will have to check the methodology on both studies, and then do some math to make up for the intervening months.

Personally, I lean towards the Lancet analysis.

[Kraklen]

15. 100,000-200,000 about a year ago.

So double that and you're probably pretty close.

[oblivious]

16. I don't see why anyone would take the iraqbodycount.net figures seriously

It tracks "media reports of deaths". Media reports cannot but cover a tiny fraction of deaths. The media aren't allowed in most combat zones and the few reporters that venture there could not possibly keep track of all the carnage.

And now the Iraqi govt is making their esitmates from hospital records. Again, this can only be a tiny fraction fo the dead. In Falluja they were buried in mass graves until the soccer field couldn't hold any more. They weren't able or allowed to take them to a hospital.

How the CBC can print those numbers without pointing this out is beyond me.