bush, Cheney, Rove; PANIC MODE! Distract from the coming torture photos

[LynnTheDem]

and videos. Bet that's why the crazed sustained partisan attacks coming from the bush Admin.

They're very afraid. They should be. The coming releases of torture not even Rush the pigboy will be able to laugh off as "frat house pranks".

Cover your ears if you have the stomachs to watch the videos; the screams of the children being beaten and sodomized will scar your souls forever.

[marmar]

1. and from your sinking poll numbers and stalled agenda...

By going to favorite tactic: 9/11 exploitation. Although I have a feeling that when we eventually know more about what led to 9/11, they won't even be able to fall back on that one anymore.

[Oversea Visitor]

8. They be running so fast they reach the sun

[wicket]

2. Hadn't thought of that- EXCELLENT points Lynn

As always :)

on edit- wait- the videos are coming out too???? HOLY SHIT!!!

[tridim]

3. It's either that, or something new we don't know about yet.

The dems need to scold him (like they're doing) and quickly move on. Rove will never apologize, but he needs to be hammered.

[bryant69]

4. Yeah, they are getting pretty desperate

Rush can't shut up about the terrorism scandal. It's like the end all and be all of his program these days, to prove that the torture either didn't happen or doesn't matter.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Stirk]

5. Whatever happens in Iraq this week, they'll blame it on media coverage.

To try and scare media outlets from even carrying the torture photos story.

[Robbien]

6. Its a distraction, but a distraction from the energy bill. Tonight's vote

may pass the gawdawful bill.

[Oversea Visitor]

7. The awakening the giant

the people of USA will roar with anger if that is true
Ho how mighty and sweet that voice will be

[fooj]

9. Thanks for believing in us, Oversea Visitor!

We ARE here and you WILL hear us! I promise you that! If the polls are any indication as of late, it looks like a 70%/30% ROAR! Almost all of the polls on the cable news channels (policy, Iraq war, domestic issues) indicate that these numbers are pretty much the average response of the American people.

peace.

[Oversea Visitor]

10. Think lastest poll

on do you think bush mislead us in the was
95% yes 5% no
Chimp in big big shit :)

[King Coal]

12. I hope yer right there, OV!

[fooj]

16. Oh yeah...forgot about that one!!! Woo hoo!

:toast: "To the sleeping giant..."

peace.

[fooj]

19. Seymour Hersh says they are absolutely CHILLING...

he said that the screams that can be heard by the children will create a huge wave of rage throughout this country...(paraphrased)

peace.

[bobbieinok]

42. wil we ever see these????????

[Oversea Visitor]

41. The poll

is so bad after fixing he still lose

[SalmonChantedEvening]

11. Great call Lynn - You ARE a DU gem!!

:loveya:

[King Coal]

13. Can you tell more about the photos and videos Lynn?

When, from where, how, etc. I would sure appreciate it.

:hi:

[mopaul]

14. sidney blumenthal says they are much, much more gruesome & damning

just, imagine the worst, and they filmed it.

[Catrina]

17. There was a court

ruling recently that the videos and pictures from Abu Ghraib (I don't know if that included any from Guantanamo Bay) cannot be suppressed.

During the hearings on Abu Ghraib last year, the Senate Committee worried about them being released and discussed maybe, releasing them all at once, since 'the media would probably release them anyway'. But, after the Nick Berg video came out (just in time) the hearings ended.

Before they did, Senators were shown them. Sen. Lindsey Graham was horrified and said so to Cheney who tried to make light of the issue. He told Cheney 'Let us do our job, Mr. VP, we're talking about rape and murder here'.

Sy Hersch said that they show the abuse of children and AIRC, they were seen in Europe for a while, and I believe, after viewing them, Norway decided to withdraw its troops. Europeans are still subject to the ICC. I may be wrong about Norway, but one of the smaller European countries.

If they are released and the media shows them, even Republicans know that will be the end of the pretense about gourmet chicken etc.

I don't know if we ever will see them, though, the media will probably be threatened and called traitors for doing so while the 'troops are in danger'. Although some foreign press may do so. I'm not sure how I feel about it. Maybe if they stopped lying, told the truth, shut down the gulags and apologized, I would say 'don't show them'. But they continue to lie, so I don't know.

[LynnTheDem]

24. 'You haven't begun to see evil...' Sy Hersh

"Some of the worst things that happened you don't know about, okay? Videos, um, there are women there. Some of you may have read that they were passing letters out, communications out to their men. This is at Abu Ghraib ... The women were passing messages out saying 'Please come and kill me, because of what's happened' and basically what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling. And the worst above all of that is the soundtrack of the boys shrieking that your government has. They are in total terror. It's going to come out."
-Sy Hersh

"The American public needs to understand we're talking about rape and murder here."
-Sen. Lindsey Graham (R)

The unrevealed photos and videos contain acts "that can only be described as blatantly sadistic, cruel and inhuman."
-Rumsfeld

"I’m gravely concerned that many Americans will have the same impulse as I did when I saw this picture, and that’s to turn away from them. And we risk losing public support for this conflict. As Americans turned away from the Vietnam War, they may turn away from this one unless this issue is quickly resolved with full disclosure immediately."
-Sen. John McCain (R)

"What we saw is appalling,"
-Bill Frist (R)

"There were some awful scenes. It felt like you were descending into one of the rings of hell, and sadly it was our own creation."
-Sen. Richard J. Durbin (D)

[BeHereNow]

15. I await the response from the Evangelicals

on these wretched episodes.
What WAS that about a "just and holy war?
The so called x-tian Bush supporters have
some explaining to do.
Roll call-
Pat Robertson?
James Dobson?
Jerry Falwell?

What do you have to say for your "compassinate
conservative values" and sorry selves now?
BHN

[annabanana]

18. I was WONDERING why they were flinging so much poo today..

.it's been a regular shitstorm out there today.

[Raksha]

20. Now THAT makes a lot of sense! n/t

[cthrumatrix]

21. makes sense to me --- we can watch and keep track of all !!!!!!!!!!

[KansDem]

22. "...coming releases of torture..."

Does anyone know who will be releasing these and when?

[Kurovski]

33. self delete

[KansDem]

34. As much as I want these photos/tapes released...

...in order to put the lid on the neo-Conmen once and for all, I fear that if they are in the possession of the Corporate Media, their "release" will be a gross whitewash. We mustn't forget that the courts have ordered their release so the holders of these images must comply, but the courts didn't say how that compliance must be met.

[Kurovski]

35. Thanks, I deleted as you posted.

I don't know if there is enough whitewash in the world for that, but you are correct in that they will give it their best.

I would think they'd use the old "It will demoralize the troops" canard.

[kliljedahl]

40. ACLU sued & won

That's all I know.


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[converted_democrat]

23. Does this have anything to do with this? --WE WON'T SEE THEM---

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1575343

Okay, I know it looks of topic, but look at the rules---And read the whole thread. Could these new rules be just in time to make it illegal to show the photos? Are they making the new censor rules to make sure we can't get a hold of the photos? Read the whole thread. Does this apply? If it does it would make it illegal to pass and distribute the photos.

[earth mom]

27. You probably hit the nail on the head-they are running but can they hide?

:mad:

[seemslikeadream]

25. More billboards?

http://us.news2.yimg.com.nyud.net:8090/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040601/capt.sge.alj21.010604202237.photo00.default-380x258.jpg
People walk past mural paintings in Tehran depicting scenes from the torture of Iraqi prisoners by US soldiers at the Abu Ghraib. The number of cases of misconduct by US soldiers against detainees and civilians in Iraq (news - web sites) and Afghanistan (news - web sites) now numbers at least 91, and is likely higher, an army official said.(AFP/Behrouz Mehri)


http://us.news2.yimg.com.nyud.net:8090/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20040523/capt.sge.svt78.230504222448.photo01.default-380x254.jpg
Iraqi artist Salah Edine Sallat puts the final touches to a wall painting based on the US Statue of
Liberty and a widely published photograph of an abused detainee at the Abu Ghraib prison in
Baghdad's Shiite neighborhood of Sadr City.(AFP/Ramzi Haidar)

http://www.novinite.com.nyud.net:8090/media/images/2004-06/35348.jpg

[lonestarnot]

26. check it out...

http://www.genocidewatch.org/8stages.htm

[babylonsister]

28. You know, maybe a draft won't be necessary. This could

indeed get all Americans' blood boiling. If these images are going to come out anyway, let this be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

[CantGetFooledAgain]

37. Please explain...?

How would the release of images of torture by US military in any way obviate the necessity for a draft?

It would tend to have the opposite effect, no?

[AllyCat]

29. But why do they always get a warning shot first?

Why don't "they" just release the photos and videos without saying "it's coming". This just gives BushCo more time to react and then hit us with another disaster, beheading, or whatever it takes to get America's eye off the ball.

[proud patriot]

30. I knew something big was at hand

what with bringing out the big guns all at once .

The torture photos , of course .. Makes sense to me

[vickie]

31. When will these photos be aired?

[vickie]

32. When will these photos be aired?

[LynnTheDem]

36. I think WH has until tomorrow to hand them over

And then I think ACLU said they'd be released sometime over the next week or two.

Don't quote me on this though, my memory's not up to speed today.

[LittleClarkie]

38. Are you supposing those are coming out

or you know they're coming out, and soon?

[Generator]

39. July 22nd is the drop dead date

According to this asked for a delay from June 30th. I don't know if they got it, I'm assuming.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/06/19/MNG0NDB1GU1.DTL&feed=rss.news