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Monkie Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:52 PM
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Photos:US soldiers planted weapons on dead Iraqi teens #graphic#
http://cryptome.org/bkz/buhriz-kill01.htm

"Mark Kraft (http://insomnia.livejournal.com) writes:

Awhile back, a U.S. citizen working in Iraq sent me several photographs he obtained from a soldier in Iraq. Apparently, they had been passed along between several sources before reaching me. I felt that the pictures were particularly controversial and newsworthy, in that they appear to show U.S. soldiers planting weapons on Iraqi teenagers. As a result, I passed them on to Seymour Hersh of the New Yorker, who mentioned them in an interview on May 11, 2005.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/11/142250

After I did Abu Ghraib, I got a bunch of digital pictures emailed me, and -- was a lot of work on it, and I decided, well, we can talk about it later. You never know why you do things. You have some general rules, but in this case, a bunch of kids were going along in three vehicles. One of them got blown up. The other two units -- soldiers ran out, saw some people running, opened up fire. It was a bunch of boys playing soccer. And in the digital videos you see everybody standing around, they pull the bodies together. This is last summer. They pull the bodies together. You see the body parts, the legs and boots of the Americans pulling bodies together. Young kids, I don't know how old, 13, 15, I guess. And then you see soldiers dropping R.P.G.'s, which are rocket-launched grenades around them. And then they're called in as an insurgent kill.

Unfortunately, Mr. Hersh has no plans to go forward with the story at this time, citing the inconclusive nature of what happened, and the risk it could have to his sources. I, however, have no such ethical problem with releasing the pictures as is, as I think there is an overwhelming public interest that they be released
~snip~
They indicate that a group of U.S. soldiers planted weapons -- the same weapon, in fact -- in front of killed, wounded, and captured Iraqi kids. I cannot authenticate whether Mr. Hersh is correct and that the teens in question were innocent or not, but clearly, something significant is amiss."

before:

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more photos @ http://cryptome.org/bkz/buhriz-kill01.htm

more old news from iraq "something significant is amiss"

via http://xymphora.blogspot.com/
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:55 PM
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1. Damn...damn...damn
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:57 PM
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2. kicked and recommended
this should be on the front page
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 05:59 PM
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3. Looks like the old Houston police
"throw down" guns game plan.
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pgh_dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:06 PM
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5. Didn't DeLay just say something about how Iraq was like Houston? n/t
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:03 PM
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4. insomnia.livejournal.com
definitely got the first word correct.
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:07 PM
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6. That's odd.
Why would they bother planting weapons?
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Monkie Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 06:18 PM
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7. in the other photo's you see one of the boys is "captured" alive..
maybe thats why?
or maybe even soldiers in a war feel shame about killing unarmed children playing football
what i find weirder is that they taped it,
and note that Seymour Hersh mentions this "incident" in May in a interview but i havent seen a story or pictures in the media
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Monkie Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 07:28 PM
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8. shameless..
i have no shame, its a proven fact now that i have blatantly kicked my own thread like this :/
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 07:39 PM
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9. No words.
:kick:
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 07:43 PM
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10. That's so bad.
I am not really surprised, but I am shocked. If that makes any sense.

:grr:
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BrightKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 07:50 PM
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11. The map is not the territory.
It is difficult to take this atrocity story at face value. How do we know that the atrocity story is not staged?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:09 PM
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17. How do we know that Iraq exists?
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 10:10 PM by Jackpine Radical
You been there? Maybe the whole war was staged. Like the moon landing, ya know?

Oh, yeah. Ami troops faked the planting of weapons on dead Iraqis.
Just like they faked those pix of torture at Abu Ghraib.

What's it like being inside your head? Do you hear echoes in there?
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 08:05 PM
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12. How heart-breaking! n/t
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 08:10 PM
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13. Fuck...
Can't wait til the rest of the world gets a gander at these...

:nuke:
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Sather Gate Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:01 PM
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14. Give 'em the whole enchillada
http://cryptome.org/bkz/buhriz-kill02.htm
Warning: VERY graphic and convincing.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:09 PM
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16. welcome to DU, and thanks for posting that link....
:hi:
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brettdale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:06 PM
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15. it could be a freeper trick
like the freeper who emailed dana milbank.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 10:28 PM
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18. I went to my child's high school graduation last night.
And when I saw these pictures I thought of them. This could just as easily be any of them, except for an accident of geography.

I feel so desperately sad for these people. Will the massacre ever end?
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praxiz Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 01:27 AM
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19. BEWARE. I smell freeper setup.

Without the accompanying text, these images don't really say anything. Who knows that picture 11 was taken AFTER picture 1, anyway?

I smell setup.
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smurfygirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 01:37 AM
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20. something is strange here
why plant so many. Why not just plant one?
And why wouldn't you stage the picture, like having him hold onto one. Something is strange here.
Does anyone else think so?

Okay, crazy thought....

So I have been thinking for quite some time that the plan on the right was to have the left turn against the troops. Well, we haven't we have defended them and blamed the highest levels instead. It seems like these types of pictures keep coming out almost like they are trying to provoke us to that level. It's a trap in a sense. Does anyone else feel this way?
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 02:00 AM
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21. It's almost surreal.
Like reading a graphic and badly written war novel and suddenly getting sucked into that fictional world.
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blueheeler Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 12:49 PM
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22. Sorrry...
Don't buy it, looks staged, the weapons are to straight, nowhere near a hand.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:27 PM
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23. Disgusting.
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