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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:45 PM
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Hackworth on Clark
Well paint me blue and throw me on the barn floor.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34738

" For sure, he'll be strong on defense. But with his high moral standards and because he knows where and how the game's played, there will probably be zero tolerance for either Pentagon porking or two-bit shenanigans.

No doubt he's made his share of enemies. He doesn't suffer fools easily and wouldn't have allowed the dilettantes who convinced Dubya to do Iraq to even cut the White House lawn. So he should prepare for a fair amount of dart-throwing from detractors he's ripped into during the past three decades.

Hey, I am one of those: I took a swing at Clark during the Kosovo campaign when I thought he screwed up the operation, and I called him a "Perfumed Prince." Only years later did I discover from his book and other research that I was wrong – the blame should have been worn by British timidity and William Cohen, U.S. SecDef at the time.

At the interview, Clark came along without the standard platoon of handlers and treated the little folks who poured the coffee and served the bacon and eggs with exactly the same respect and consideration he gave the biggies in the dining room like my colleague Larry King and Bob Tisch, the Regency Hotel's owner. An appealing common touch.

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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:52 PM
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1. That is a powerful endorsement--about Hackworth
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 09:54 PM by DrBB
Aug. 4, 2003  |  Retired U.S. Army Col. David Hackworth is a cocky American military commander who for half a century was at the front lines of the Army's most important battles. Most recently, though, Hackworth has been at the frontlines of a domestic war: the debate over U.S. military strategy in Iraq, and whether the Bush administration planned well enough to achieve a decisive military victory, and to keep the postwar peace.

Hackworth was everywhere on cable television during the first days of the war, when early military setbacks convinced him and other retired military leaders that the administration, whose backers sold the conflict as a "cakewalk," hadn't sent enough troops to quell Iraqi resistance. He wrote a widely quoted column headlined "Stuck in the quicksand" in early April -- just as the tide seemed to turn and the pace of victory picked up again. Though he is a colonel by rank, Hackworth was counted among the so-called "television generals" the administration blasted after Baghdad fell, and many conservative admirers turned against him.

But now, with American soldiers still dying almost daily in Iraq, the tide of opinion may be turning again, in favor of Hackworth's argument that the administration was unprepared for what's turning out to be a long-term guerrilla resistance in Iraq. Today the primary front of Hackworth's war of opinion isn't cable television, but a pair of Web sites -- Soldiers for the Truth and his own site, Hackworth.com -- where he's campaigning to document the dire fate of U.S. troops in Iraq. The sites have quickly become a repository for the gripes and fears of America's beleaguered combat troops.


From the Salon.com profile:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/08/04/hackworth/index_np.html

This is one of the most powerful voices on our side.
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dobak Donating Member (808 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:57 PM
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4. thanks for the info!
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dobak Donating Member (808 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:56 PM
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2. Wow - A great piece!
I cannot believe that WorldNetDaily ran that. They are very conservative.

---

Anyone know more about Hackworth?

I know he is one of the most decorated soldiers ever, but what about his political affliation? I heard that he was very opposed to Iraq?

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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 09:56 PM
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3. Hot Damn Hack!!
I was worried about that "perfumed prince" name and it was the only reason I've been a little cautious about Clark. Thanks for clearing that up!! Full speed ahead now!!
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dobak Donating Member (808 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:02 PM
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5. Interesting?
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 10:02 PM by dobak
On the same website, there is a column by Joseph Farrah. In the article, he mentions that Clark is Catholic?

Is that true? I could care less what religion, if any, that he follows. But I had not heard about him being Catholic. I thought that would attract more attention in the media and among fundies (like Farrah).
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:07 PM
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9. Clark was born into a Jewish family
Raised as a Southern Baptist and converted to Roman Catholisism in Vietnam. He is however STRONGLY pro-choice, in an obvious break from that churches doctrine.
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RandomUser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:07 PM
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10. Clark is three different religions
He was raised a Southern Baptist. When he married, he converted to his wife's Catholicism. And he found out after he grew up that his birth father was Jewish. So he understands religious diversity, tolerance, and seeing the other guy's point of view.
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dobak Donating Member (808 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:08 PM
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11. wow
I did not know that.

He seems to get more interesting and better every day

:-)
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:18 PM
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19. Randomuser in his book
he says he converted to RC in Vietnam. I'm unsure when he got married. Did he get hitched in the states while rehabilitating from his combat wounds?
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RandomUser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:31 PM
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25. He got married during Vietnam
I'm not sure where I read it originally, but I googled and found a few references:

http://www.ourcampaigns.com/cgi-bin/r.cgi/CandidateDetail.html?&CandidateID=4018

His conversion and marriage were both during Vietnam.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:09 PM
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12. Clark converted to Catholicism when
he married. His father, who died when Clark was young, was Jewish. His mother re-married and Clark was raised Southern Baptist.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:16 PM
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17. I have read that Clarks father and grandfather were both rabbis
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 10:18 PM by NNN0LHI
Bet Lieberman does not try to label him as being anti-semitic.

Don

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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:39 PM
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26. His father
was an attorney and Dem pol.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:49 PM
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27. I may have misread the article?
I had posted a story here at DU concerning this within another thread. And I really don't feel like doing a search right now. Perhaps tomorrow?

Don

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:10 PM
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31. I made a mistake. He actually comes from at least 5 generations of rabbis
http://www.juf.org/news_public_affairs/article.asp?key=4436

Latest contender for president comes from long line of rabbis

By Ron Kampeas
Jewish Telegraphic Agency

WASHINGTON, Sept. 17--Raised a Southern Baptist who later converted to Roman Catholicism, Gen. Wesley Clark knew just what to say when he strode into a Brooklyn yeshiva in 1999, ostensibly to discuss his leadership of NATO´s victory in Yugoslavia.

"I feel a tremendous amount in common with you," the uniformed four-star general told the stunned roomful of students. "I am the oldest son, of the oldest son, of the oldest son--at least five generations, and they were all rabbis."

The incident could be a signal of how Clark, who became the 10th contender in the Democratic run for the presidency on Wednesday, relates to the Jews and the issues dear to them.

Apparently Clark, 58, revels in his Jewish roots.

He told The Jewish Week in New York, which first reported the yeshiva comment in 1999, that his ancestors were not just Jews, but members of the priestly caste of Kohens.

Clark´s Jewish father, Benjamin Kanne, died when he was 4, but he has kept in touch with his father´s family since his 20s, when he rediscovered his Jewish roots. He is close to a first cousin, Barry Kanne, who heads a pager company in Georgia.

more

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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:31 PM
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24. I believe he converted to Catholicism....
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 10:32 PM by familydoctor
to marry his wife.
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RandomUser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:02 PM
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6. Nothing like repenting reporters
When a jouranlist who once wrote articles bashing the General now admits he was wrong, you know Clark's the real thing.
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toddzilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:05 PM
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8. hackworth annoys me
he's always fucking grinning like an idiot no matter what he's talking about..
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coralrf Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:23 PM
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21. he never made it past Col....
nuff said.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:50 PM
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28. How high did you advance?
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karlschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:59 PM
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29. So what? Shrub never made it past Lieutenant. But he thinks he's a fuckn
9 star General.
Poo on you.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:56 PM
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32. He crossed the wrong swords.
But he knows his ground, and he still helps the men (a lonely post) even now, over 55 years after he started in Trieste.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:04 PM
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7. That just about says it all...
...and maybe it will garner a few rightwing votes... I smell another Bush one term presidency!
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RandomUser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:09 PM
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13. Unless we have another disaster
Unless there's another 9-11 or a new war in Syria/Iran, I think we'll win.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:15 PM
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16. I think something like that would seal the deal...
... with approval of the Iraq war dropping like a stone in a pond, another preemptive war wouldn't sell.

And another catastrophie would expose Bush for the ineffective leader that he is.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:10 PM
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14. but-but- some one posted an article that said there were "misgivings"..
Edited on Tue Sep-23-03 10:11 PM by Dr Fate
Remember that- there was an article right here at DU that claimed that certain annonymous military types have "misgivings" about Clark!!!

This article seems to actually names names and actual details, unlike the other...

The media want even us DEMS to think there are "misgivings" about Clark- their lies are staring to be more ridiculous than they are redundant...
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:13 PM
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15. This is truly amazing. The hatchet job he did on Clark was
brutal. I can't imagine that Clark would even give him an interview. They must have come to terms some time ago. I am glad to hear it. Clark is a great man.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:17 PM
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18. Another salute to the General!
I won't hold Hackworth's past mistakes in judgment against him. He's come clean and fessed up to the facts.

Clark is driving an express train straight to the White House! The Dunce is out; the Will of the People will soon be in! "All aboard!"


:kick:
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:23 PM
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20. I almost got a concussion falling over backwards when
he actually said "I was wrong". I guess I'll have to give him this one for being big enough to admit it.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:31 PM
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23. I believe that any rational person, concerned about the future of this
American democracy, will see that Gen. Clark is the absolute best hope we have. His poll numbers support what I have believed since the first rumors started circulating that he might run in '04. But by the time he finally announced I had practically given up. Yet now my dream has come true, and Clark is actually an official candidate. OMG, I truly believe that Clark can beat the BFEE!
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coralrf Donating Member (656 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 10:26 PM
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22. How to you abbreviate Hackneyed and Worthless?
Hackworth.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 11:05 PM
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-24-03 12:01 AM
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33. ROFLMAO!
:toast:
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