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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:29 AM
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SCOTUS decision was a "Liberal Ruling".....so says RW hate radio
amazing... this is the world we live in
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:30 AM
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1. It was a liberal ruling, most of the judges that ruled in favor of the
issue were the left leaning judges, correct?
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Francis Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:31 AM
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2. it was
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:31 AM
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3. Yeah, because we "liberals" are all just a bunch of communists.
Never mind that 3 of the 5 were Republican appointments....
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:31 AM
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4. How could taking peoples homes away be Liberal?
It is the morally opposite of liberal.

Liberal would be tearing down the developers project to build shelters for the homeless, not creating more homelessness.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:37 AM
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8. Well, it was in two ways.....
1)All the "liberal judges" voted for this ruling and the conservative ones did not. Yes, I know that this is all relative and which ones were appointed by repubs, etc. But the fact is that the Scalia's, Thomases, and Rheinquists were against this ruling. So if we consider them conservative judges, then in the interest of honesty it is true that the conservative judges voted against this ruling.

2)The bulk basis of this judgement was done in the perceived interest of the common good or the betterment of the community as a whole. Yes, it had to do with a business and economics but the foundation of this ruling revolved around community good and the benefit of the many at the expense of the individual. I mean even a generous reading of conservative and liberal philosophies will bear this out.

I disagree with the ruling, but I don't care whether it's liberal or conservative to do so. But I think there's definitely a foundation to the argument that this ruling was a more liberal reading by more liberal judges.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:31 AM
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5. It was, and it was also naiive. nt
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:33 AM
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6. why doesn't the congress pass a law
prevent emment domain except in extreme circumstances?

afterall.. THEY RUN THE GOVERNMENT
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:36 AM
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7. the problem is, how do you define extreme?
I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here, but maybe the town on New London thought it was an extreme situation?

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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:05 AM
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13. ok.. then why don't they ban it?
all the supremes said is there isn't a constitutional protection..
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Patty Diana Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:12 AM
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17. NO MORE_______Just ask KING BUSH
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:38 AM
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9. It is a wedge issue that probably will cost us the 2006 elections
From my post yesterday

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1880616&mesg_id=1880616


Going into 2006, Rove will have ads with Grandma losing her house because of Liberal SC Judges and the Democrats....

If you do not think Rove will play this to the hill, well.....
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:42 AM
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10. Unfortunately...
You are probably correct, as they will paint it as a liberal decision because the two Democratic appointees voted with three Republicans against four Republicans.

This will be like those anti-Hillary health care ads (Harry & Louise?)
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:17 AM
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20. Yup...
Not much to say aside from the fact this
smells to high heaven.

*whew* I need some air.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:45 AM
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25. Of course he will.
:-(
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BlueStateModerate Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:47 AM
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11. There are two types of liberals...
There are progressive, honest liberals and there are those who favor expanding the power of government over the people for the "greater good." It's pretty clear which type is sitting on the bench.
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 07:51 AM
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12. Yep I knew it would be the moment I heard the decision.
Having all 5 'liberal' judges vote yes to this thing was like handing Rove and the RW a nuclear bomb when it comes time to appoint a new justice.
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:06 AM
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14. Congress can pass a law banning emmiment domain
why don't they?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:19 AM
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21. Actually, they would have to pass a Constitutional amendment
Since this decsion is defining the scope of the Fifth Amendment, a mere law would simply get sent up to the Supreme Court again, and would again be shot down. This is the same reason why Congress is now considering a flag desecration amendment rather than passing a law. They passed a law banning flag burning years ago, and it got shot down by the Supreme Court, since it was a First Amendment issue.

Since this is a "liberal" issue, both in the judges who ruled for the corporate take over and in the philisophical underpinnings, now would be a great time to get an amendment through prohhibiting such property seizure for private/public development. Both houses of Congress have a Republican majority, and most states have Republican majorities. Thus, we can work with the conservatives to overturn this travesty of justice. So start writing your Senators and Represenatives, and let us stop this corporate giveaway before it can do any more damage.
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:41 AM
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23. not true
from

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0506240150jun24,1,7295148.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

The decision, one of the most anxiously awaited of the term, emphasized that governments have long relied on powers of eminent domain to condemn property for public uses, such as railways and utilities. The court has historically taken a "deferential approach to legislative judgments in this field," the majority said.

Burkland also pointed out that the decision makes clear that states can impose greater protections for private property than the U.S. Constitution provides. Some states, including Utah, California and Michigan, have already done that, he noted.

they didn't invalidate a law saying governments can take whatever they want, they basically said there is no consititutional protection for private property and legislators can do what they want with it.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:10 AM
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15. I'm Kinda Liking The Future Set-Up Here...
Congressman Billy Bob Whitebread needs campaign cash...along comes Mr. Sam Wal-Mart wanting to put a supermall near his town. Well, does Billy Bob take the money from Wal-Mart and use this SCOTUS ruling to destroy his own local business district, or does he show stones and stand up to Mr. Wal-Mart.

This could be fun to trash Repugnicans with next year if we play it right. As Mr. Billy Bob to go on record denouncing that SCOTUS ruling...then find where he's sucked up to some large corporate against the interests of his own community and see how the local voters like dem apples.
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Patty Diana Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:10 AM
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16. These delusional repukes are now grasping at straws
the vote was 5-4 just like in the 2000 election theft by SCOTUS. If this is a liberal thing, then why did all the liberal justices vote against it!!!!!!!
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:14 AM
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19. They Didn't
This was a 5-4 ruling where Scalia, Thomas, Rehnquist, and O'Connor voted against it.

I can't believe I am in agreement with ScaliaThomas and Rehnquist.

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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:14 AM
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18. If a huge meteor was heading for the Earth
those right-wing hate radio SOB's would say it was the liberals' fault.
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:40 AM
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22. The Kelo decision is just like rulings against 'partial birth abortion'
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 08:50 AM by AirAmFan
laws. Far more is at stake here than meets the eye, a narrow USSC majority protected us against future far-right judicial activism, and a right-wing noise machine disinformation campaign has been turned up to the max.

The case pitted elected government against property, and elected government won. Whom would a victory for property have helped more, big corporations or ordinary working people?

This case involved an attempt to re-interpret the Fifth Amendment in a way that would have affected much much more than local zoning. For almost 20 years now, the ultra-right has been plotting to roll back government regulatory powers to pre-New-Deal levels using radical USSC stretches of the Fifth Amendment. Funded by millions of dollars from Scaife and other wingnut foundations, far-right think legal think tanks have been trying to cripple elected government's Fifth Amendment regulatory powers in favor of unlimited corporate power. Narrowly, they lost Kelo from a legal standpoint, but they are trying for--and apparently getting--a propaganda/disinformation victory.

Justice Kennedy's concurring opinion puts this week's decision in context: The ruling upholds the presumption that local eminent domain decisions serve a public purpose, and puts the burden on property owners to show otherwise. Clearly, corporations can corrupt elected governments. But had the court ruled the other way, in favor of expansive property rights under the Fifth Amendment, THAT could have benefited corporations even MORE.

The USSC circumscribed corporations' exercise of power through their ownership of property, which is arguably much more pervasive than their corruption of elected governments.

Had the decision gone the other way, environmental regulations, workplace safety, and even minimum wage laws could have been at much greater risk in the near future.

Here are links to the USSC decision and an article from The Nation on the nutty far-right "takings" doctrine.

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From http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/printer_friendly.pl?page=us/000/04-108.html

"... KELO ... v. CITY OF NEW LONDON, CONNECTICUT...

Justice Kennedy, concurring....

This Court has declared that a taking should be upheld as consistent with the Public Use Clause, U. S. Const., Amdt. 5., as long as it is "rationally related to a conceivable public purpose."... This deferential standard of review echoes the rational-basis test used to review economic regulation under the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses...

A court applying rational-basis review under the Public Use Clause should strike down a taking that, by a clear showing, is intended to favor a particular private party, with only incidental or pretextual public benefits.... A court confronted with a plausible accusation of impermissible favoritism to private parties should treat the objection as a serious one and review the record to see if it has merit, though with the presumption that the government's actions were reasonable and intended to serve a public purpose."

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And, from http://are.berkeley.edu/courses/EEP131/Gieder.pdf :

"The Nation - October 15, 2001

The Right and US Trade Law: Invalidating the 20th Century, by William Greider

"...The Federalist Society organized a lawyers' forum with a provocative title--"Rolling Back the New Deal"--and its star attraction was Richard Epstein, law professor at the University of Chicago and intellectual lion of the right. Epstein's theory of "regulatory takings" galvanized the movement fifteen years ago when his book Takings: Private Property and the Power of Eminent Domain first appeared, describing an ingenious new constitutional interpretation designed to rein in modern government. Regulations, he argued, should be properly understood as "takings" under the Fifth Amendment ("...nor shall private property be taken for public purpose without just compensation"), so government must pay those businesses or individuals whose property value is in some way diminished by public actions....

"The New Deal is inconsistent with the principles of limited government and with the constitutional provisions designed to secure that end." In telephone conversation, I asked the professor for examples and he obliged with gusto. "Most of economic regulation is stupid.... What possible reason is there for regulating wages and hours?" Epstein said. "If my takings doctrine prevails, you have no minimum-wage laws. That's fine. You'd have an OSHA a tenth of the size. That's fine too...." His position ... would not invalidate the regulatory laws that legislatures enact. He would merely make the public pay for them. "We will allow the majority to have its way so long as it's willing to buy off its dissenters at a fair valuation," Epstein told the libertarian magazine Reason.

A host of conservative litigation groups have sprung up to argue Epstein's doctrine in court and taken a series of cases to the Supreme Court. So far, the Court's pro-takings decisions have dealt only with subsidiary questions and stopped short of fully embracing Epstein's claim...."
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 08:43 AM
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24. Well... At least they're yelling something.
All we've managed so far is a big fat... "YIKES!"

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