NEOCON is not the right word! Give me another one!

[goclark]

I know why we are sometimes afraid of the word NAZI, if taken out of context, it is not "PC."

But, in the broader sense of the word,it means "a rigid, my way or the high way, I am entitled to own the world, keep pure WHITES in power and keep down the poor and people of color, keep down the WHITES that are LIBERAL and want to be kind and share the world" kind of person.

GWB and ROVE and Cheney and the rest of the NEOCONS/NAZILIKES are just like that, if we don't like the term NAZI please give me some more vivid ones.

NEOCON is just too nice and is meaningless to the general public.
NeoCon is too high tech.

Please don't flame me. I sincerely believe that the label NeoCon goes nowhere with Mr. and Mrs. America.

We need to nail these evil scum bags for what they are-in my mind they are NAZILIKERS not NEOCONS and I hate everything they stand for...
:mad:

[unblock]

1. personally, i like "banana republicans", but maybe christofascists will do

[goclark]

10. Keep um coming

Can I have your meaning of FACIST? Does it fit the same as NAZI?

To me NAZI paints a clear picture of the Hitler salute, the same hand salute that GWB uses all the time.

Huum, maybe that is why I picture them as NAZILIKERS because of the pictures that I have seen of BUSH and his outstretched right hand.

Do you think BUSH means to send a signal to his base when he does that gesture? Huum...

I think we need to show more photos of BUSH with the hand out and let people draw their own conclusions.

[ananda]

2. I like..

.. corporo-fascist .. theocrats.

[wtmusic]

3. "Asspig" never quite caught on with the MSM nt

[dxdem]

4. I like

"christo-fascist"

[oscar111]

5. Neoconneonazis

all one word

It does better in speech or in thoughts, than print.

[OneBlueSky]

6. Fascist . . . just plain, old-fashioned Fascist . . .

as in the blending of government with big business . . . Christo-Fascist adds the pseudo-Christian element that BushCo is pandering to . . .

[peekaloo]

17. needs spiffin' up.......Full Tilt Fascist!

[info being]

65. Fascist works for me. It is 100% accurate.

[Name removed]

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[President Kerry]

102. morons, huh?

before dishing out insults, you may want to check more in-depth on what fascism is. In case you haven't noticed, uberpatriotism, and ridicule and methodical suppression of opposition and intelligentsia is rampant. Oh, and we've invaded a sovereign country that never attacked us. Good luck explaining that to the world.. MORON!!

[dchill]

105. Well, you may not see "jack-booted thugs" -

they're much more insidious than that. People DO disappear, though.

Nazi Germany is not an ideal representation of fascism. Try Italy during the 1930's under Mussolini.

fascism - n : a political theory advocating an authoritarian hierarchical government (as opposed to democracy or liberalism)

We're not there yet, but it's where the NeoCons would like to take us. Oh, and we're not morons. YOU should do some research.

[OneBlueSky]

110. aw, nuts . . . apparently someone called me a moron . . .

and the post got deleted before I could read it . . . I'm s-o-o-o-o disappointed! . . .

[spindoctor]

103. Yep, they fit all definitions, including Musolini's

The term fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that in various combinations:

* exalts nation and sometimes race above the individual. (check)
* stresses loyalty to a single leader. (check)
* uses violence and modern techniques of propaganda and censorship to forcibly suppress political opposition. (check)
* engages in severe economic and social regimentation. (check)
* engages in corporatism. (double check)
* implements totalitarianism. (check)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Definition

[johnaries]

7. Straussian.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straussian

..."As Strauss saw it, "good politicians" need to reassert the absolute moral values that unite society and this would overcome the moral relativism that liberalism had created. To do so, they needed to propagate myths necessary to give ordinary people meaning and purpose as to ensure a stable society. Modern liberalism had stressed the pursuit of individual liberty as its highest goal, and Strauss wanted government to take a more active role in promoting morality. Perpetual deception of the citizens by those in power is critical in Strauss's view because the populace needs to be led; they need strong rulers to tell them what is good for them." ...

..."Leo Strauss saw himself as a conservative, and for the most part, "Straussians" have become closely associated with certain factions within the U.S. Republican Party."

[tex-wyo-dem]

8. How about....

theo-plutocrats
corporotheocrats

a hell...

fascists

[Old and In the Way]

9. Criminal.

nt

[goclark]

31. Oh do I like that one! That paints a picture

of the truth. :)

But,but, but is it "PC" HA

[tex-wyo-dem]

11. Evildoers n/t

[linazelle]

12. Regressives...

They want to take us back to the stone ages, when the world was flat, the crusades were the rage, and we were headed for a civil war.

[Gman]

18. I'm starting to like "regressives" more and more

they bristle at the word "progressive" because it's not "liberal". They need to tatoo them with "regressive".

[goclark]

26. Regressives has a good ring to it!

I like it because it paints them like they really are... BACKWARD thinkers.

"a rigid, my way or the high way, I am entitled to own the world, keep pure WHITES in power and keep down the poor and people of color, keep down the WHITES that are LIBERAL and want to be kind and share the world"


It has strong visuals! We need a one word visual.

Can you hear us DEAN? Listen up!

"Regressives," I can just hear him saying that word!!!:bounce:

[goclark]

28. The visual of that word is so strong!

Even a 6 year old would get it!

ROP = Regressive Old Party!!!!! That fits like a glove.

How many for REGRESSIVES? Let me know and I'll start a Regressives thread so we can make it stick.

[linazelle]

37. There are soooo many instances of their regressivism, including the war

in Iraq. They had to dig back--what--15 years, pre-Clinton, to justify going to war. Their whole agenda and current power base stems from activities begun 30 years ago. There's nothing new with these people--and I suspect their agenda will run out of steam pretty soon.

[goclark]

38. When we start calling them REGRESSIVES

it will come a little faster.

I vote for REGRESSIVE party. Everyone gets a picture of the word immediately.

[linazelle]

76. From here on out, let it be known, that we have hereby

agreed (you and I at least :D) to call them what they are at every opportunity--regressives. Don't let up!!!

And read this essay on regressivism while you're at it:

http://www.crisispapers.org/essays/goodforeach.htm

[goclark]

91. The Chimp is a REGRESSIVE, Rumfield is a REGRESSIVE

Each and everyone of them remains locked in a time zone that is no more.


They are the ROP = Regressive Old Party.


Loved the link!

[GiovanniC]

13. Just Plain "Con" Should Suffice

[merh]

14. fristians (fake christians)

or simply thugs.

[King Coal]

15. Rimshot?

As in, those "Rimshot Bastards".

[Gman]

16. Assholes!

[KarenS]

24. Exactly what I was going to say !!!! n/t

[tk2kewl]

45. me too

[KansDem]

19. Neo-Conmen? Neo-Conjobs?

I think I've seen this floating around the Internet(s).

[bowens43]

20. I use Theo-con

[ChiciB1]

21. I've Been Calling Them "The Corrupt Ones" For Some Time Now!

I would use stronger language, but I'm so NICE all the time!

[fla nocount]

22. Bible-thumpin homophobes? n/t

[Cell Whitman]

23. Theofascists

Not your question exactly but it covers the new Moon-molded right. They are not "Christo-Fascists" nothing "Christian" about them.

In fact I don't think we should dirty the name of the United States anymore with what they have created. We should be called the "Thoefascist States of America"

T-S-A
T-S-A
T-S-A

[BringEmOn]

25. NeoNaziCons

or TheoNaziCons
Fascistians

[one_true_leroy]

75. crypto-theofacists...

bringing back ideas the rest of the world discarded long ago!

[RDANGELO]

27. Most of them are just ditto-heads.

I think most right-wing Repubs are just ditto-heads. They really don't reason enough to be Neocons. They just believe everything that bushco,Limbaugh and Hannity tells them. I believe originally a Neocon was a right winger who believed in the Bushco empirical foreign policy, but now it seems to apply to any right wing Republican.Calling a ditto-head a Neocon is a compliment.

[Zen Democrat]

29. Fascist

[obreaslan]

30. Jack-Booted Thugs. eom.

[RandomKoolzip]

32. Nutgargling Squirrel-felching Giraffe-plooking Dickbreathers

[goclark]

33. And how do you really feel? LOL

[pstans]

34. Check my signature

It is from Garrison Keillor's book, Homegrown Democrat. I like...

fundamentalist bullies with Bibles
Christians of convenience
freelance racists
shrieking midgets of AM radio
brownshirts in pinstripes

[housewolf]

35. Corpotists or just plain right-wing radicals - or "power hawks"

Either one works for me.

I like corpotist/corpotism because it (so far) is a fairly new term that hasn't been over-used or mis-used like fascists has been. It's unfamiliar enough that it sort of makes people think.

I also like the term "right-wing radicals" bacuse that's what they are. There is NOTHING conservative about this administration, it's the most radical administration we've seen in decades.

"Power hawks" is kind of good - it references the aggressive power-grabbing of this administration.

[goclark]

36. You got that right!

They are power mad!

[justsomegirl]

39. Christian Supremacists - n/t

[CitrusLib]

40. I like Neocon. If you look at the history of our language,

there are plenty of words that began with a positive connotation and assummed a negative one by virtue of how they were used. For example, many people take offense at being called 'ignorant', but it means nothing more than a lack of knowledge. Look at this bulletin board. How many people here have had the word 'liberal' thrown in their face as if it were a 4-letter word?

If they've styled themselves Neocons, I'd just as soon keep using the description until their words and actions cement it with a negative connotation for future generations.

Karl Rove is a Neocon and a fuckhead. I think that says it all. :evilgrin:

[goclark]

43. I agree but...

You are smart and understand the meaning and history of words.

I am trying to get a word that a 6 year old as well as a grandpa can understand and get a visual of...

That is why I'm leaning toward the term "Regressives" for a term that is something Dean and others can throw around like the Regressives throw around Liberal.

[CitrusLib]

46. OK, I can see

where Neocon and Fuckhead would either go over the head of a six year old, or be entirely inappropriate. :)

I can live with Regressive. The Thesaurus shows 'conservative' as a synonym.

[goclark]

49. Wow! Thanks for the Thesaurus info! nt

[porphyrian]

41. Traitorous fuckhead? - n/t

[ksilvas]

42. REPLINGONS

[JHB]

44. The "Crazies in the Basement"

That's what the Bush41 people called them.

Except now they're out of the basement.

[goclark]

47. I hadn't heard that one but it sure fits! LOL nt

[KittyWampus]

48. Imperialist? Neo-Colonial?

[maxsolomon]

50. FASCIST

that's what they are. but joe sixpack has no idea what that means.

[goclark]

52. Exactly! Joe six pack gets, REGRESSIVES

and so would everyone else.

It calls it like they are - backward thinking,racist,corporate greedy people.

[theophilus]

51. Corporatists or Malignant Capitalists (practicing malignant capitalism) nt

[goclark]

56. Let's break it down and give it

the joe six pack test..."Greedy Old Party" perhaps? LOL

[Ksec]

53. Conslobaturds and Conservatards

[goclark]

59. Go get um!

[Ikonoklast]

54. My personal favorite

Lying fucktard asshat crapweasels. I think that about covers it. Yep, that's about right.

[goclark]

55. All of the names suggested are fine with me but

what title would be acceptable to someone from 6 -96?

What word would Kerry,Dean, Sharpton and company be able to throw around?

So far, I think it's Regressive but that's just me.

[Tim4319]

57. Con-artist!

[goclark]

58. Not bad and it fits like a glove! nt

[Darkhawk32]

60. Theocratic Corporatists..... n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

61. neofascist newspeakers

[goclark]

62. Better yet neofascist Newscontrollers nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

66. Newsmasters?

[blm]

63. They're NOT neo-conservatives, they're neo-FASCISTS. There's nothing

conservative about this gang of thugs in the least.

Real conservatives are good for a healthy political debate in any country. They don't seek to destroy the other side or establish a totalitarian state. They don't want an imperialistic presidency and don't want to invade other countries.

[goclark]

64. Well said, when I hear the word

Conservative, I even think of myself sometimes.

Conservative is a pretty nice and sane word.

[alfredo]

67. Authoritarians, Theocrats, Corporatist, Monarchist,

Right wing extremist, Plutocrats, Trotskyites.

[goclark]

68. Is Criminalist an appropriate word?

[Blue_In_AK]

69. Criminalist is already taken

That's those guys who do CSI-type work.

[alfredo]

73. Just plain Hoodlums or Brooks Brothers Mafia.

Criminalist could be tagged to much of the Republican party.

[goclark]

77. Mafia fits as well

they are everyone of the titles we have given them.

[alfredo]

79. It's good we are playing with this. Maybe we can find

a word or phrase that will resonate.

[goclark]

81. My thoughts exactly alfredo. So far "Repressives"

Seems to be PC as well as able to pass the 7-11 test for easy to get a visual about, no matter if you are 9 or 89 yrs.

[alfredo]

84. bullies. Repressives sounds good. Still neocons is clear

and it cannot be anybody else but the bush junta.

[goclark]

86. Sorry for the typo, meant from the thread "Regressives"

Regressive Old Party.

All of the names fit these thugs however.

[alfredo]

90. I do like thugs. Has a nice ring to it.

[meow2u3]

94. The Washington Mob

or...

the K Street Mafia

the Texas Crime Syndicate

[LiberalEconomist]

70. How about

punk-ass-motherfuckers?

[NoPasaran]

71. Chimperialists

[Zynx]

72. Neo-con should only be used to refer to warmongering/3rd World fleecing

It's strictly a foreign policy mindset. It has *no* domestic or economic agenda beyond its general goal of American empire.

[goclark]

74. I see your point nt

[annabanana]

78. War Mongers. . . . . . .n/t

[alfredo]

80. I think Neocons is good in that it is easy to remember, has no

other meaning and can't be applied to any others.

[WLKjr]

82. Facists

That's what I like to refer to them as.

[Generic Other]

83. Repukeniks Repugniks Repulseniks Repoopniks

or Uberdorks.

[DistressedAmerican]

85. Leave The Nazi's Out Of It. The Term You Are Looking For IS:

FASCIST.

Nazi's are a specific brand of fascism with heavy historical baggage that makes it a poor analogy.

Fascist is a political science term that has very specific meaning. PNAC/Neocon scum fit it perfectly.

[goclark]

87. Facist fits but we are looking for a term

that would be easily understood by anyone that understands that Regressive has something to do with going backward and not understanding what is happening in today's times.

We want a word that gives instant visuals for young people and older people.

[DistressedAmerican]

96. How About Fucking Douchebags. I Use That Somewhat Interchangeably

for both fascist and neocon.

Although I do love a combo such as, "I wish someone would capture that fucking fascist douchebag Richard Pearle and show him what fun torture can be."

"Douchebag", All the kids are saying it these days and of course Cheney himself dropped a fat F-Bomb on the floor of the Senate.

[goclark]

99. Thanks for the Laughs and graphic TRUTH

This is so much fun listing all the mean names that fit them so perfectly!

[ComerPerro]

88. TheoCon. But it doesn't have a nice ring to it either

We need something as effective as "FemiNazi" was for the right wingers

[goclark]

89. There you go!

If you notice they don't have one bit of a problem making up and using names for us!

Let's MARCH!

[Name removed]

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[meow2u3]

92. Tyrants

Keep it simple, stupid.
American idiots don't understand all this neocon, neo-Fascist, theocrat crap--but they do understand what a tyrant or a terrorist is, and he/they occupy (ies) the White House and/or Capitol Hill!

[goclark]

98. Keep it simple! That is the key!

All the neo's theo's may be too intellectual for Joe Six Pack.

Joe may understand the word TYRANT however, he may find that an appealing title for the Chimp.

[Independent_Liberal]

97. Neo-Fascists

That's another good one.

[kodi]

100. Busheviks. they are more akin to Russian Bolsheviks than anything American

In dealing with the Right, even the most articulate, and reading their most articulate essays I'm constantly impressed with their lack of substance. They seem to be without principles, calling what guides them a Hobbseian law-of-the-jungle philosophy seems to be giving them far more distinction than they deserve. Rather their thought seems to be nothing more than crumbs and shards raked together from various sources-- Hobbes, Locke, Smith (invisible hand leading towards utopia), Marx (economic determinism),
Freud (where they get their constant urge to play on middle class fear) and numerous others -- and shaped together into a formless mass which they mold to the desired situation. There is no philosophical system on the right, rather only cynical opportunism mascarading as coherent thought, a fig leaf of virtue to hide their whoring ways.

I have no respect for them because they have no sense of shame. They are more akin to the Bolsheviks of Russia than to anything American (that is the reason that "Busheviks" appeals to me so much). For them everything comes down to attaining and retaining power and cashing in, nothing more.

It is not that the right, or “conservatives” is a dirty word, rather that it exemplifies a position of no coherent philosophy, except pure, unbridled greed.

[agincourt]

101. How about training pants Fascists?

As they run around with a load in their pants, unlike potty trained fascists?

[Violet_Crumble]

104. I'll stick with neoconservative...

There's nothing particularly difficult to grasp about the implications of neoconservatism, and it's neither high-tech nor just too nice. But to make sure the average Mr and Mrs America can easily follow what's going on, maybe I should cater to them and drop the term neoconservative and instead use something really cutting like Poo Head?

Violet...

[goclark]

106. Poo head has merit and certainly fits the Chimpthug

As I review the thread all of the names "FIT."
It probably depends on who we are speaking to about this regime.

If it's my mom , I say "criminals."

My republican "friend," is another issue. I have yet to find a way to describe them to her because she is lost in Neverland.

Well, there is one that I thought got her attention for a heartbeat. I called them "Racist To The Core." She acted surprised that I would say that about her Greedy Old Party.
Note: we are both African American

Did it change her mind - NO! : (

[are_we_united_yet]

107. Neoplasm?

[mn723]

108. Ass-clown is what I like to call them

but regressive also has a nice ring to it and it is so appropriate.

[goclark]

109. Regressive seems to be more "PC" than some of

our other suggestions.

It can surely be expanded to help people get the visual they need.

Example: Dean could say, "That remark doesn't surprise me at all. We know that the GOP should change their name to the ROP. Better known as the REGRESSIVE Old Party because they want to take us backward. They are lost in the 20's and our view of the world is about TODAY and TOMORROW.