Cheney Says Downing Street Memo Is Wrong

[RamboLiberal]

Forgive link to Sludge - just don't click the link - I posted it all.

Vice President Dick Cheney was asked on CNN about the 'Downing Street memo' which said the Bush Administration had decided to go to war with Iraq and the intelligence would be fixed around that policy.

Asked if he disputes the memo's claim, Cheney said, "Of course. The memo was written sometime prior to when we actually got involved in Iraq.

"And remember what happened after the supposed memo was written. We went to the United Nations. We got a unanimous vote out of the Security Council for a resolution calling on Saddam Hussein to come clean and comply with the UN Security Council resolution. We did everything we could to resolve this without having to use military force. We gave him one last chance even, and asked him to step down before we launched military operations.

"The memo is just wrong. In fact, the president of the United States took advantage of every possibility to try to resolve this without having to use military force. It wasn't possible in this case. I am convinced we did absolutely the right thing. I am convinced that history will bear that out."

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm

[w13rd0]

1. I am convinced...

...Dick Cheney is a child-molesting, seal-clubbing, black-hearted, satan-worshipping traitor, and I'd like him to address my charges, NOW.

[dbeach]

20. I agree with your assessment

plus he is SAURON
Where da heck is frodo with da ring??

[bpilgrim]

40. "We went to the United Nations" (to get a 'fig leaf' for our ILLEGAL WAR)

in other words all part of the plan as the DSM spells out.

now when are our M$MWs going to point that the fuck out?

if they don't get their act together some enterprising individuals may start their own media :evilgrin:


http://media.GlobalFreePress.com

peace

[helderheid]

2. LIAR

[tk2kewl]

3. Feeling a bit defensive, are you?

Squirm yo evil bastard! Squirm!

[whistle]

4. There you go then, that clears it all up.....

...Move along, nothing to see here!:sarcasm:

[BamaBecky]

5. He can say that, but that doesn't make it so! His credibility is in the

gutter! They are getting desperate!
Bama

[still_one]

11. The point is he didn't deny the authenticity of the memo

[BamaBecky]

45. You are right!...n/t

[fooj]

27. Hiya Becky...I'm with you on this one!

Notice how the snakes are slithering out of their holes...


peace.

[bowens43]

6. "We went to the United Nations"

and used lies, distortions, fear, forgeries and threats to fix the data to support the already decided on course of action.

[SittingBull]

25. Right- seems he forgot this: We went to the UN

to became the legitimation for this illegal invasion!

:-/

And not to avoid war...


And: Saddam let the inspectors in- no wrong-footing. No case for a war. What a pitty.

And in the end they ignore the UN, don't forget this fact. They took all the inspectors out because war was underway.

[salin]

38. thereby verifying exactly what some of the DSMs said

we would do.

[SittingBull]

26. Right- seems he forgot this: We went to the UN

to became the legitimation for this illegal invasion!

:-/

And not to avoid war...


And: Saddam let the inspectors in- no wrong-footing. No case for a war. What a pitty.

And in the end they ignore the UN, don't forget this fact. They took all the inspectors out because war was underway.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

7. Cheney says Up is Down,

Black is White, Yes is No, Losing is Winning.

And, on top of that, he claims he's "human."

OK, I hate him. I admit it.

[pie]

21. I see you kept the cat. Cool.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

31. Yeah, well,

he's sort of on double-secret probation for now.

:beer:

[charlyvi]

49. He is Beezlebub.

He is a warped version of Beezlebub; he is the darkness of ignorance, a cesspool of sadistic pleasure. The puppetmaster of evil acts......I guess I hate him too.

[annabanana]

8. Downing St. Memo says Cheney was wrong..

to go in with no plan and work so hard to sell an illegal war to the American people..

what a POS

[joemurphy]

43. Why We Had No Plan For What Happens After The War

Because we never planned on leaving.

[annabanana]

47. I believe you are right, unfortunately.

and
Welcome to DU!
:toast:

[merwin]

9. That's the funny thing about fixing intel. You can get others to go along

with you when you do that.

Just because they hadn't hadn't invaded them yet doesn't mean that they weren't fixing the intel so that people would be more apt to go with them.

[seabeyond]

10. better for them to say it is wrong than so. this is a good thing

hard to argue u.s. and media complicity easier to argue in fact.

[flordehinojos]

12. dick and lynne cheney are natural born liars, if they are not, they

certainly have a natural flair for lying.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. LOL....YOU PEOPLE LIED and the DSM PROVES it, you fucking MORAN!

:grr:

[Fridays Child]

14. Notice that they keep saying the proof that the DSM is wrong...

...is that they did everything the DSM said they would do. Is anybody accepting this bullshit?

[MichiganVote]

15. No Weapons of Mass Destruction, you moron!!!!

You did the "right thing" cost us billions and not one goddamn WMD found? Earth to Cheney: We are not all stupid and we are not all powerless.

[jimshoes]

16. Is dick saying Downing Street

is occupied by a pack of liars? That's what it sounds like. I'm sure he'll apologize.

[Dr.Phool]

17. Downing Street Memo says Cheney is wrong

Let's look at the evidence and decide who's right.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

18. Bush's own words as quoted by TIME prove Cheney wrong:

"...the president of the United States took advantage of every possibility to try to resolve this without having to use military force. "

Bush: "Fuck Saddam. We're taking him out."

Does that sound like someone who "took advantage of every possibility to try to resolve this without having to use military force."?

Jingoistic maggot. To hell with him and all who support this invasion.

[Roland99]

19. HA! What a lying POS! It was *Cheney* that didn't want a UN vote!!!!

[dogday]

22. Me thinks Cheney is going to regret saying that

The British SS have been leaking memos this past month. Lord know what else they might have.

[johnaries]

23. Here's what he left out....

"And remember what happened after the supposed memo was written. We went to the United Nations. We got a unanimous vote out of the Security Council for a resolution calling on Saddam Hussein to come clean and comply with the UN Security Council resolution."

Which he did comply with, but we pretended he didn't.

"We did everything we could to resolve this without having to use military force."

As far as anyone else knew at the time.

"We gave him one last chance even, and asked him to step down before we launched military operations." Actually, we gave him an impossible ultimatum that we knew he couldn't comply with. So, you see, we did everything the memo said we could do to fake justification for the war.

And you suckers fell for it.

[dbeach]

24. repetitive lies = truth

"as long as I was the dictator.."

King George Bush the second = KGB II

[Sydnie]

28. catapulting some propoganda is hard work

"Fool me once ..." and all that rot. We knew Nixon was guilty although he denied it, we know you are too.

We are awaking from our slumber. Once the villagers get the torches lit, it's time to search for the monster Dick.

What part of "We don't believe you anymore" don't you get?

[dbeach]

34. LOL ! Heavy hit..

what part of the no word does evil dickie not comprehend.

oh the second sylabble!..explains why he flunked out of yale u and faked his way through college

he skipped his pstcye class and still got an A and laffed about thow he fooled his profesors..

like I say to my kids

'cheaters NEVER win'
and winners don't have to cheat

[KharmaTrain]

29. Chenney's Rules...He's Totally Unaccountable

Shall we cite not just the lies but the LIES this man has uttered over the past 5 years and how they've never been questioned...not a single one.

He's been the leading Mininster of Disinformation for this regime and is so intimidating that no one dares to question him. It's pathetic as he's such a bully and autocrat that flaunts his power. And he just keeps putting it in our faces.

[leesa]

30. All seven of them? How about the one where you stepped up bombing and

dropped tons of bombs on them to goad them to respond a year before you went to the UN? Isn't this EXACTLY what you are doing in Iran now?

[Orion The Hunter]

32. RE: DSM

Riiight Cheney...and the insurgency is in its final throes now too...

[SammyWinstonJack]

33. Don't these assholes ever get tired of lying?

And how can they possibly keep all of their lies straight? Must be hard work!

[lovuian]

35. Mr.C is all over that Memo and we know who Mr.C is!!!

:bounce:

[joemurphy]

36. Timing of the War

Cheney's lame answer to the DSMs forgets history. "We went to the UN, didn't we? We couldn't have had our minds made up for war. Thus the DSMs are WRONG!"

Bullshit.

One of the things the DSMs show is that in July the Brits felt that the Bush Administration thought war was "inevitable". It was just a question of when and how to go about it.

The "when" answer is also revealed in the DSMs. And this is something people interpreting them haven't focused on much. The DSMs state that the marketing effort was to coincide with the run-up to the 2002 midterm elections in the US.

Remember:

1. Andy Card's statement that the "marketing" started in September because you don't do marketing in August (when Bush was taking another one of his month long vacations after repeatedly saying he had no plans "on his desk" for war.

2. Recall the computer disks discovered in early 2002 wherein Karl Rove stated that Repubbies needed to stress war in the upcoming November 2002 elections.

3. We went to the UN, reportedly, because the Brits wanted some legal justification. That's in the DSMs too. The idea was to try to get a UN Resolution presenting Saddam with an ultimatum. Admit inspectors or else! The Brits were hoping that he'd refuse and, voila, the justification for invasion is there.

4. Cheney, reportedly, didn't want to go to the UN

5. Rove reportedly did. The UN route "worked" because the war fever
would take the American public's mind off of Enron, budget deficits, the lame hunt for Osama, and other Republican vulnerabilities that would normally cost the Republicans mid-term seats.

6. We went the UN route and got our resolution, but Saddam crossed everyone up by admitting the inspectors.

7. The war fever, however, worked politically and gave the Republicans their mid-term wins...something atypical in US politics where the party in power typically loses seats.

8. After the elections we bad mouthed the inspections, refused to go back to the UN and went into Iraq without international backing
(aside from the Brits, the Spaniards, and a few assorted other members of the "coalition of the willing".

Cheney's argument that "we went to the UN" doesn't hold up.

We shouldn't let him bullshit us.

Look at this interesting article on "why" we went to war when we did.

http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=2869§ionID=15

[joemurphy]

37. Timing of the War

Cheney's lame answer to the DSMs forgets history. "We went to the UN, didn't we? We couldn't have had our minds made up for war. Thus the DSMs are WRONG!"

Bullshit.

One of the things the DSMs show is that in July the Brits felt that the Bush Administration thought war was "inevitable". It was just a question of when and how to go about it.

The "when" answer is also revealed in the DSMs. And this is something people interpreting them haven't focused on much. The DSMs state that the marketing effort was to coincide with the run-up to the 2002 midterm elections in the US.

Remember:

1. Andy Card's statement that the "marketing" started in September because you don't do marketing in August (when Bush was taking another one of his month long vacations after repeatedly saying he had no plans "on his desk" for war.

2. Recall the computer disks discovered in early 2002 wherein Karl Rove stated that Repubbies needed to stress war in the upcoming November 2002 elections.

3. We went to the UN, reportedly, because the Brits wanted some legal justification. That's in the DSMs too. The idea was to try to get a UN Resolution presenting Saddam with an ultimatum. Admit inspectors or else! The Brits were hoping that he'd refuse and, voila, the justification for invasion is there.

4. Cheney, reportedly, didn't want to go to the UN

5. Rove reportedly did. The UN route "worked" because the war fever
would take the American public's mind off of Enron, budget deficits, the lame hunt for Osama, and other Republican vulnerabilities that would normally cost the Republicans mid-term seats.

6. We went the UN route and got our resolution, but Saddam crossed everyone up by admitting the inspectors.

7. The war fever, however, worked politically and gave the Republicans their mid-term wins...something atypical in US politics where the party in power typically loses seats.

8. After the elections we bad mouthed the inspections, refused to go back to the UN and went into Iraq without international backing
(aside from the Brits, the Spaniards, and a few assorted other members of the "coalition of the willing".

Cheney's argument that "we went to the UN" doesn't hold up.

We shouldn't let him bullshit us.

Look at this interesting article on "why" we went to war when we did.

http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=2869§ionID=15

[ComerPerro]

39. Written before they got involved with Iraq?? Well DUH!

Its about the falsification of prewar intelligence.

[Rob H.]

41. Excellent commentary in the LA Times today

It's entitled, "The Real News in the Downing Street Memos" by Michael Smith. I've included some excerpts below, but the whole thing is so good I urge anyone who's interested to take the time to read it in its entirety here.

Excerpts:

But another part of the memo is arguably more important. It quotes British Defense Secretary Geoff Hoon as saying that "the U.S. had already begun 'spikes of activity' to put pressure on the regime." This we now realize was Plan B.

Put simply, U.S. aircraft patrolling the southern no-fly zone were dropping a lot more bombs in the hope of provoking a reaction that would give the allies an excuse to carry out a full-scale bombing campaign, an air war, the first stage of the conflict.

(snip)

But these initial "spikes of activity" didn't have the desired effect. The Iraqis didn't retaliate. They didn't provide the excuse Bush and Blair needed. So at the end of August, the allies dramatically intensified the bombing into what was effectively the initial air war.

(snip)

In other words, Bush and Blair began their war not in March 2003, as everyone believed, but at the end of August 2002, six weeks before Congress approved military action against Iraq. (emphasis added--Rob)

So they knew Saddam didn't have WMDs, they fixed the intelligence to support an invasion which they knew was illegal, then when all else failed they bombed the Iraq to goad Hussein into retaliating, and the whole time Bush claimed that war was "a last resort." Good thing the adults are back in charge. :sarcasm:

[Village Idiot]

42. I suppose he forgot to mention that the US blocked inspectors, eh?

Or that Iraq had NOT kicked the inspectors out, as had been widely reported in US Propag....I mean US Media, but that the US had pulled them out themselves (they began bombing the next day).

http://www.staff.city.ac.uk/p.willetts/IRAQ/PRSC7564.HTM

"JOHN NEGROPONTE (United States) said that the resolution constituted the world community’s demand that Iraq disclose and destroy its weapons of mass destruction. The new course in that effort would send a clear message to Iraq insisting it disarm or face the consequences. Describing the text, he said that Iraq had ignored obligations essential to peace and security."

So, given that Iraq HAD NO WMD, the US is in OBVIOUS BREACH OF INTERNATIONAL LAW, right?

[Kurovski]

44. Tricky Dicky II

Nixon's got nothing on this fatfuck of a liar.

[Cocoa]

46. the memo is in its last throes n/t

[Independent_Liberal]

48. STFU Cheney!

You can't benchpress your way out of this one!

[merbex]

50. Where is old Judy Woodruff with her "Some people say....

when you need her

Did she ever ask a question in that manner to Republicans?

I hated it but it would be appropriate here