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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:36 PM
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"White folks need to get over their fear of being called a racist."
http://www.campusprogress.org/page/community/group/collegegopundercover

This statement above was heard at the College Republicans National Convention.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:37 PM
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1. Fear of being called racist?
They wouldn't need to be afraid of being called racist if they weren't bigots.

I know I'm not afraid to be called a racist. But that's because I know I am not one.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:42 PM
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2. Ew!
White folks need to address being racist.

I was raised about as color blind as possible and even I find myself swimming mentally upstream against the prevailing historical tide of racist undertones and overtones in this country on occasion.

I apologize for not having time to read the content of the link you included so I am commenting solely on the sentence in your headline. But that screams to me "be white and be proud of it." The thought of being proud of yourself because of the genetic mix that resulted in your skin color is repugnant to me.
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:43 PM
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3. I agree.
If they all came out of the bigot closet things would be a lot better.
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boohootwo Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:46 PM
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5. I'm white and I hear very few racial comments from other whites.
But I hear plenty from other races.
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:50 PM
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6. Yeah, that's the thing about racists.
They like to pretend they aren't.
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boohootwo Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:56 PM
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8. I really don't understand your comment.
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:58 PM
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9. I mean most racists won't come out and admit it.
Usually you'd never know they were racist until they slip up and make blatantly racist comments.
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boohootwo Donating Member (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:00 PM
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12. Is it racist to prefer your own race to others?
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Kraklen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:02 PM
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13. Sure is.
But if you mean things like the NAACP, United Negro College Fund, BET, black empowerment groups, and things of that nature...

No, those aren't racist. Obviously.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:19 PM
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15. You "prefer" your own "race" to others?
Care to elaborate? I'd also like to hear more about all these racist non-white people you've heard, um, being racist.
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jmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:37 PM
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21. If you prefer your own race to others then
I can see why you don't hear very few racial comments from other whites.
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DistressedAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:58 PM
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28. You Sir Or Madame Seem To Have An Agenda.
The tenor of a lot of your messages today makes me really wonder where the hell you are coming from!

Show me someone that does not know that prefering your race over other is not the very definition of racism and I'll show you someone who's opinion can not be trusted!
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:44 PM
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4. Yeah, and Men need to get over the fear of being called sexist...
Now fix my dinner, woman!

Oh, and America needs to get over the fear of being called imperialist...

France, you're next.
That is all.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:56 PM
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7. This isn't a new thought or argument from the right
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 03:56 PM by Eloriel
I've heard it and variations of it for many years now -- since the 1980s. Another variation goes like this (courtesy of Neal Boortz): "Just as soon as someone says 'racist' or 'racism,' it just shuts the conversation right down. It stops the dialog completely." Which is, of course, utter nonsense, OR the people involved need to grow a MUCH thicker skin.

I consider it part of what I call the New Racism -- a higher, more subtle form. It's part and parcel of turning the tables on the quest for equality by insisting that, among other things, Affirmative Action is racist because it gives preferential treatment to minorities and the Constitution says we should all be EQUAL.

Another favored argument is that we should drop all the "hyphenated American" terms. "No more Italian-American or Irish-American (or African-American, of course), we're all just AMERICANS." (Response: we all get to self-identify, and trying to deny anyone that right is in itself racist and discriminatory. The Dominant Culture is forever trying to define reality for oppressed groups and classes.)

These people know very well, in their hearts if not consciously, that if their demands were implemented, the "natural order of things" in an innately racist society would tilt more and more of everything right back in favor of the dominant culture (white).

:grr: Makes me angry to even think about all of it again.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 03:58 PM
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10. Utterly wrong.
They need to understand why they have been called racists. And by "they" I mean "I".
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Lecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:00 PM
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11. Sounds like a typical republican n/t
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:15 PM
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14. Jesse Petersen, a black-faced rightwinger uttered those words
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 05:06 PM by noiretblu
words that his white right-wing friends cannot utter without being
labelled racist, hence his usefulness to the GOP.

in CONTEXT, that statement of his is exactly what his white rw friends want to hear:
"don't worry about being called a racist, just be proud about being a racist, like me"

let's review Petersen's racist diatribe:

- "I am an American, not an African-American." hmmm...that just might work when some skinheads catch your black ass on a dark highway somewhere...i propose an experiment.

- The Civil Rights movement destroyed black people's sense of self-respect and their compass for what's right.
you fail to mention the "hows" of this opinion, however i am certain is resonates as truth among your listeners.

- The Civil Rights Movement took the men out of their homes and prevented black people from thinking for themselves.
how exactly did this happen...again? how did black people getting the full rights of US citizenship for the first time in over 400 years destroy the black family?

- It is not racism but lack of moral character that causes problems for black people.
the KKK agrees with you

- The black leadership succeeds by keeping black folks angry.
but you and your tiny flock are lambs overflowing with love and positivity...see above and below for examples

- Now Muslim folks are moving in and trying to take over.
but you're not angry about that, are you?

- "I don't care what people say, but (Muslim people) don't like us!" i'll be sure to mention that my my muslim nephew...but i'm not sure who he isn't supposed to like...black people, conservatives, christians, americans...or bigots? i'm almost certain it's bigots

- America has already given black people all it has to give.
does that apply to white people, asian people, indian people as well, you pathetic ass-kissing apologist?

- On reparations, he emphasizes the fact that all the slaves are dead.
no shit, sherlock. did they get reparations when they were alive? their children? grandchildren?

- On those who want reparations, he says, "Instead of reparations, how 'bout a free ticket back to Africa?" (Raucous laughter.)
hmmm...is this comment more like marcus garvey's movement...or more like the segregationists' wetdream? and WHO would keep your sorry ass in business if we took you up on that offer?

- "The Democratic battle is ordained by the devil."
THE DEVIL IS AN ORDAINED MINISTER? :shrug: at least he's honest about himself.

- "It's not white vs. black, it's good vs. evil."
considering all of the above, which color does Jesse think represents evil? hint: it's not white.

- "White folks need to get over their fear of being called a racist
and just BE racist, like me
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:26 PM
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17. My daddy taught me that
THAT brand of nonsense is called "identification with the oppressor."
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:36 PM
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20. hello!!!!
nothing more vile than a black-faced collarborator, imho :hi:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:52 PM
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27. Collaborators...
Condi, Colin, Leo Strauss, Tom Delay, the FOURTH ESTATE... whatever.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:31 PM
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18. Thank Bill O'reilly for Jesse's emergence onto the national stage. Bill
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 04:34 PM by oasis
snactched this "nowhere" man out of obscurity to help him with his weak attacks on Jesse Jackson a few years back. Bill thought criticism of Jesse Jackson would have more impact coming from another black Reverend.

I remember a "debate" between him and Professor Dyson. Dyson told the inarticulate boob something like "You need to work on your grammarian, my brother". I was cracking up. :-)
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:48 PM
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23. just like the remarkably inarticulate
armstrong williams :puke: rw formula for black success:
take one marginal black man, add funding from the usual suspects, use him to do your race dirty work = the typical black conservative talking head :wow:
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:58 PM
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24. Whoops! There it is!
Edited on Fri Jun-24-05 05:01 PM by Behind the Aegis
Way to go!!! I have not seen a great breakdown of someone with internalized racist attitudes as your piece did! With all the enemies that any minority may have, it is even more sad when they (the minority member) joins in the rhetoric of the oppressor or bigot.

This is a FANTASTIC post!!

:applause:
:woohoo:

On edit: The worst thing about people like this (the one whose argument you justifiably ripped to shreds), is they become tools for bigots! "See," says the bigot, "He thinks the same as me and he is one of them!"
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:33 PM
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25. you know what bothers me about him the most?
he's so dumb. he doesn't even try to come with a coherent, or even resonable argument. he simply mouths tired rw memes and makes idiotic pronouncements...i suppose that's all it takes these days.
it's sad that some people are so eager to have their bigotry justified and reflected back to them that they will listen to an inarticulate buffoon like petersen...or bush, for that matter.
petersen is a collaborator, as i have taken to calling rw enablers these days. and i agree...he is of the particularly odious variety: a modern-day overseer on the rw's (anti) intellectual plantation.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:23 PM
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16. Republicans have no fear of being called racists
because they know they are and it makes them feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside. :puke:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:33 PM
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19. College Republicans aren't afraid of being called total fucking morons
I don't see why the tag "racist" would bug them.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 04:40 PM
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22. hahahha, yeah sure they're all the sudden going to become confrontational
the only reason they hide it now is because they understand that they will get a serious beating if they actually were open about their racism.

bravery, and "getting over fear", aren't exactly hallmarks of a college republican.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 05:39 PM
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26. It is called stereotyping. When a used car salesman or psychopath wants
to change your behaviour they just get you labeled (or get a friend/patsy) to label you as the opposite of what you are.. and you react emotionally because you are so loath to be categorized as such.

The freepers use it all the time on the boards.

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