I believe Tom Cruise is right!

[rainy]

I believe Tom is right. If you do the research there is MUCH
evidence that all disease, mental and physical, is caused by the denatured shit for food we eat as humans. Nature provides us with what we need to create healthy living cells in all raw fruits and veggies. When we cook and process our food we cause abnormal cells and abnormal cell functions in our, before cooked food, perfect bodies. There is lots of literature out there that supports tom's views. But, the pharmaceutical industrial complex would have you believe that half of our children should be on drugs. Hell, they would have us all on drugs.

Cooked food is poison, we are the only animal that cooks our food, destroying enzymes and vitamins.

Until science can use all of their knowledge and make a living cell or a seed that will grow into a tree then I will believe that Nature knows best what is good for our bodies.

Flame away!

[Inspired]

1. I think you are right

but Tom Cruise is self destructing anyway.

[Cha]

2. Yeah, he's right..

I don't know exactly what he said..but what you're saying is right..it's just that no one wants to hear about cells and shit:)

Except me..I like all that stuff. And some others.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

8. Cellular biology? Glycoproteins? Immunocompetence? just wondering

[rainy]

18. In your sig line, where did you get that info? And, are u raw-foodist?

[HysteryDiagnosis]

142. Not a raw foodist, just some links I have picked up along the

way whilst trying to find answers to problems that I didn't think had a pharmaceutical solution.

[zapped 1]

3. Tom Cruise kicked MSM ass today

And they are striking back with a vengeance.

They are not used to informed Celebs talking back at their smugness. Though I don't agree that ALL of Psychiatry is bad, there are many problems with the system, like forced drug and forced electro-shock treatment. Notice how Matt interrupted Cruise when he brought that up.
And Tom was correct in that children are being over-drugged, and that Psychiatry is not a science.
What is very interesting is the way the MSM is attacking him, calling him a "nut", has he "lost his mind", et al. God forbid an intellectual celebrity..

[Lex]

7. Did you just call Tom Cruise an "intellectual celebrity?"

Oh boy.

[zapped 1]

9. yes, in context

to the types he is dealing with in the MSM. And I think that having a commanding knowledge on how Psychiatry works is intellectual, don't you?

[Lex]

28. He has next to NO knowledge of how psychiatry "works"

imho.

[zapped 1]

36. Believe me. He does. eom

[Lex]

39. Believe me, he doesn't.

Of course I'm just judging by what he says--maybe he's intentionally trying to sound like moron to throw us all off the scent of how intellectual he really is.

[zapped 1]

54. well, proove that he doesn't eom

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[zapped 1]

61. sorry, thats the psych meds interferring

[SlavesandBulldozers]

139. you mean "prove"

i assume

[zapped 1]

144. how astute

Now please tell us how Psychiatry is a science.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

148. you mean compared to Dianetics?

I'm just trying to gauge how stupid and meaningless of a conversation I'm about to get into before I start.

[zapped 1]

149. the topic isn't Dianetics

Stay on topic and I will entertain the notion of a debate with you, the uninformed one.

[QC]

151. Looks like we have a $cientologist with us.

Tell me, can Elron cure me of my homosexuality like he did for John and Tom?

[zapped 1]

162. nope. Just a brilliant dem

Though I must say after reading alot of these responses, I am getting curious.

[Endangered Specie]

62. of course... all OTVIII $¢i€nto£ogi$t$ know everything

:eyes:

[mondo joe]

80. "Believe" you? Provide evidence, don't ask for blind faith.

This isn't a fundy board.

[zapped 1]

92. it seems that way

The way that the MSM is attacking Cruise for bringing up a serious topic and the way people are dissing him here...reminds me of a fundy site.

[mondo joe]

96. When your best or first argument is "Believe me" I know not to.

Thanks.

And Cruise had the same argument "Believe me. I know."

Very sad.

[zapped 1]

105. you are sad

Did you even see the whole interview? He stated facts that most psychiatrists won't own up to.

[mondo joe]

108. I read the transcript. His argument was "You don't know what I know."

And the only thing I'm sad about is that so many are so anti-science.

[zapped 1]

111. so you think forced shock treatment is science?

I don't. Especially when the administrators of the treatment cannot explain how it works (it induces brain-damage euphoria)

[mondo joe]

114. Medical treatment is part of science. Sorry that upsets you so.

And for some shock treatment is beneficial.

[zapped 1]

132. give me names

wasn't too good for Hemingway.

[Lindacooks]

150. It helped my uncle who had severe depression

that didn't respond to meds.

[zapped 1]

166. according to whom?

If he truly is, then that is good to hear.

[Lindacooks]

194. According to me, his doctors, ane the rest of the family.

[Bluerthanblue]

205. interesting that you bring up Hemmingway-

how do you explain the family predliction to depression and suicide if it is simply a matter of 'believing' in something, and not in FACT a 'genetic' flaw?

[depakid]

214. Hemmingway was a classic Bipolar II

with comorid substance abuse (as was his father, btw).

In Hemmingway's day, there weren't any meds that were effective to treat the symptoms of bipolar disorder - which is why he (and so many others) self medicated with alcohol.

The first anti-depressant (a MAO inhibitor called Nardil) was only discovered in the late 1950's and lithium salts were too dangerous to use until the late 1960's.

The only real treatment for refractory depression back then was ECT- and while it was over prescribed- it did (and still does) afford positive outcomes for certain kinds of patients.

[Bluerthanblue]

216. you obviously

aren't talking out of your butt-

i agree with your comments- My mom's ect was in the early 60's- alcohol didn't offer her much relief,(it helped my dad cope) but nicotine and caffene were something she abused alot, that and chocolate- (no joke, even when she got older, chocolate could always make things a little more bearable) and she wasn't fat either- quite the opposite.

i fell one step short of ect myself, finally finding a med combo that could quiet my continual suicidal ideation.

they've come a LONG way in ect since my mom's experience.- and it isn't used indescriminately. But it does often help when nothing else does.

[Bluerthanblue]

201. there is VERY little

"forced shock treatment" any longer-
as a matter of fact, my mother recieved 'forced shock treatment' after she was involuntarily hospitalized after the birth of her third child, and nearly killed her first who was dicipling her second- (me)

i have known the effects of medicated mentally ill individuals and non medicated individuals- and believe me, Tom Cruise is full of shit-

While there may INDEED be an issue to be made against the over-medication of children to allow 'school' to operate in less chaos-
His blanket condemnation of ALL mental illness is as foolish as many of his movies-

Our ancestors didn't have to 'understand' why chewing on black birch twigs eased headaches, and allieviated pain, but the salicytic acid contained in it worked anyway.

Electro shock therapy does NOT induce 'euphoria' have you personal experience or expertice?

Don't be afraid to share your knowledge- opinions are great, but using opinions as if they are equal to fact is foolishness. And that's Tom's downfall here.

[Redstone]

106. Oh, so we think that "aliens in the volcanoes" is a bit of an odd

belief on which to base our lives, and that makes us a "fundy site?"

OK. If you insist.

Redstone

[Name removed]

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[Redstone]

117. Aha! We don't believe in the volcano aliens, so we're freepers!

Great way to make friends here, dude.

And great logic as well.

Redstone

[zapped 1]

133. Cruise never mentioned aliens

Not my fault if others are off topic, friend.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

140. i don;' turn to Tom Cruise for science

I turn to Tom Cruise when I want to watch moving pictures with some dumb bastard acting like he's a fighter pilot.

[zapped 1]

145. so

You like watching movies involving people acting dumb?
Interesting.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

147. yes i do

isn't that interesting.

[Swamp Rat]

163. HAHAHAHA!!!!

:rofl:

[zapped 1]

167. not your best art n/t

[Swamp Rat]

171. OK Picasso!

:rofl:

[SlavesandBulldozers]

187. oh no he dih'nt

:popcorn:

[zapped 1]

191. better

[DistressedAmerican]

218. Someone Hold Me Back!!! Urge To Flame Growing!

Ah screw it, I'll have a beer!!!

Pointless to even start.

Chew On This One For A Minute Picasso...

[Swamp Rat]

220. Watch out! You'll scare poor lil' zapped 0.

[DistressedAmerican]

223. Boogada Boogada Picasso!

Hopefully This Scared Him A Little More!!!

[chyjo]

161. Yes Tom Cruise clearly has experience

With Schizophrenics and Bipolar patients that have not taken their medication for a few weeks *eye roll* . People like Cruise have never had the pleasure of dealing with people Who actually really need psychiatry.

FYI a local woman here in Buffalo, who was a Scientologist, had a Schizophrenic for a son. She ignored her doctor's advice to get him medicated, preferring to treat his condition with a healthy diet and vitamins. The ending: he stabbed her twenty some odd times, killing her because "her evil eye" was trying to get him.

[smirkymonkey]

69. Well, compared to the people that watch that crap...

}(

[earth mom]

146. Well Said! The truth can't get out otherwise the pharma giants

aka big time advertisers on all the networks will lose money! :sarcasm:

[MADem]

155. I saw that interview

...and I thought he was off his meds, frankly. Between this interview and the jumping on the couch, he is deconstructing, IMHO.

His favorite word was MATT--he must have said it a dozen or three times. He looked like hell, and didn't impress me with any intellectuality--he just stated his opinion, mentioned that he had read a bunch of vague shit, and got mad at Matt Lauer when he didn't agree with him. I don't especially like Matt Lauer much, don't watch his morning show, but I thought he handled himself well against a guy who looked a bit off the page to me.

While shrinks do overprescribe, in my opinion, he looked like a guy who might benefit from a prescription. YMMV.

[RandomKoolzip]

189. They're calling him a "nut" because he's a nut.

He believes in the great god Xenu, who planted H-bombs in the earth's volcanoes 4 million years ago. If my e-meter wasn't broken right now, why I'd give you such a pievce of my mind!

Are we clear?

[okieinpain]

4. that's the funny thing, he is right. they are over prescribing everyone

we've become a quick fix society, instead of finding out what's wrong it's take this, cut that, snip this. I wish that I could see the whole interview with lauer, I would really like to see who brought up the subject of tom's religion.

I wonder what would have happen if lauer just asked questions about the movie.

[Redstone]

94. "They" who?

Redstone

[Goldmund]

5. All disease?

Woah, quite a claim. :D

[rainy]

21. most diseases, many renouned scientist have come to this conclusion

If fact it is so simple and profound at the same time. My favorite book on the topic is: Nature's First Law.

[zapped 1]

27. Cooked Food is Poison

Just look to the Hunza tribes...
Or,closer to home,raw foodest Dr. Walker who died at the tender young age of 118.

[roguevalley]

152. If you ever saw a bi-polar person go off their meds and talk to the

invisible people and get arrested and go off with strangers towards who the hell knows what, then you would thank god for science. Of course, it could be their inner thetans, not manic depression.

Of course I would take the word of Tom Cruise over a neurosurgeon or a psychiatrist. After all, by his own words, he knows stuff. After watching his matt lauer bruhaha, I would have to say he's the smallest, rudest, pettiest little self-involved dick head I've seen in years. He is the one who knows and everyone else is wrong? Puh-lease.

I hear that War of the Worlds is breaking to be the biggest bomb in the history of Gollywood. The few willing to break the confidentiality agreements who saw it say it 'doesn't work', ie, Tom is a dick in it. So that would explain his behavior, manically running around drumming up 'interest' in himself before he becomes a has been due to the movie. But don't believe me. Wait for the movie.

[Maple]

6. This would be why

'stone age' people only lived to 20 I assume.

All that good raw food. Sheesh.

[Spinzonner]

10. You jump to conclusions

They really committed suicide from boredom over the lousy diet of raw food.

[BattyDem]

12. ROFL!

:rofl:

[Lindacooks]

11. Yep, exactly. And let's not forget that life expectancy increased

for the human population only when modern medicine was developed; i.e. antibiotics, AND regulation of the food supply. Before the FDA got started, milk was 'thickened' with chalk, brown sugar had sand in it to increase weight, and meat was 'treated' with arsenic to mask decay.

http://www.readymealsinfo.com/articles/foodadult.htm

[rainy]

26. Life expectancy has not increased to our pre-cooked food rate.

Before we were meat and denatured food eaters we lived longer and did not suffer such horrible diseases.

[DuaneBidoux]

31. NO one suffered these diseases because they didn't live long enough

to suffer them. You sure as hell better study the life expectancy and health of the average fossil found in an old site. Life truly was nasty short and brutish. And I guarantee you you can go plenty of places where they have no processed food (Bangladesh for example) and they have much shorter lives. Your images of a glorious past3 are fantasy and myth based

[Cronus Protagonist]

32. WERD

I thought you might appreciate the support, although you obviously can handle it yourself :)

http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13
Buttons for brainy people - educate your local freepers today!

[Lindacooks]

70. You got it!!

I don't know where people get this idea that the 'good old days' were so wonderful - life was nasty, brutish, and short, just as you say. Death in childbirth and child mortality alone were at staggering levels before modern medicine in the 20th century.

[mondo joe]

86. But a raw celery stick can keep a woman from dying in labor.

Or so some seem to think.

[roguevalley]

153. During the Roman Empire, the average life span was eighteen.

18.

[Redstone]

99. Got any statistics to back up that absurd claim?

Just curious.

Redstone

[mondo joe]

120. Raw foodists don't need no steenking evidence - they are faith based.

Like the young-earthers.

[rainy]

16. There is evidence that stone agers lived way longer than that.

our life span actually got shorter when we became meat and grain eaters.

[Lindacooks]

29. Where's a link for that?

I have never heard that before, and I don't believe it.

[Zynx]

141. Crap

We're natural omnivores that lean towards meat and the predatory aspects came FIRST.

[roguevalley]

154. The oldest Neanderthal skeleton they have found is between

40 and 60. There are no older ones. I do genealogy and if you look at the statistics and records, people lived until about 60. The Social Security we have now was based on most people dying by 65. Many are the families, mine included that have multiple women married to one man. They died.

It should be noted that the growth in the brain happened with advent of meat in the diet and good upward growth toward modernity came about among many reasons by the cooking of meat, which made it easier to eat and digest.

[rainy]

193. you are responding to a few thousand years, if you go way

back, actually read the info, you will see that we lived longer without modern diseases.

[muriel_volestrangler]

217. Are you sure about that? Have you a link?

For instance, here's something from Nature, June 2000:

For early humans, the average lifespan was around 20 years, as estimated from skeletal remains.

http://www.skyaid.org/Skyaid%20Org/Medical/longer_lifetimes.htm

[waynew706]

13. I don't care how you slice it...

IMHO Tom is one weird dude

[madeline_con]

14. "... denatured shit for food we eat as humans ..."

Maybe American or Western humans, not all?

One thing that always strikes me when I see people in third world countries in the media is the condition of their teeth. A lot of the tsunami survivors, for example, had the most extraordinary smiles.

I've read that some of the more primitive civilizations and underdeveloped communities have far less tooth decay because the y don't eat refined foods such as white flour and sugar.

I also read a report talking about Coca Cola being a staple in the diet of large populations in Africa, citing it as a major contributor to health problems.

[rockymountaindem]

64. Along those lines

I read that in ancient Rome, the upper classes had awful teeth while the commoners had intact smiles. This was because of the reasons you mentioned, specifically that the rich consumed a lot of honey and naturally sweet foods that common Romans could not afford.

[tibbir]

15. I'm sorry but I have manic depression

and as much as I hate taking the drug cocktail I do it sure beats by a long shot the prospect of spending the rest of my life locked up in a mental hospital.

[Flubadubya]

222. Thanks for sharing this...

I just want to say that I hope your treatment goes very well and that you will be able to have the life you want. Thanks again for speaking out. :)

[pie]

17. Variety is the spice of life

And I like my life to be spicey

[undeterred]

19. maybe its hard to cook without opposable thumbs

:popcorn: :beer:

[Celebration]

20. Don't lookat me

I lower cholesterol with policosanol and niacin.
I think my blood with Nattozyme, fish oil and garlic.
I keep my heart strong with alpha lipoic acid and coenzyme Q10.
I improve my moods with inositol.

I also like the energetic stuff that the Scientology people are into. That said, they ARE nuts. I mean they have all these secrets and rites, and there is just too much money involved for the upper echelon. There are plenty of ways to do the same type things without having to join a cult. Others besides Scientologists can do EAV testing.

By the way studies show that a good part of the effects of SSRIs are due to the placebo effect. Not saying some people don't need them. But I sure would try every other route first.

[Misskittycat]

22. Sorry to break up this Tom Cruise love fest, but

he's an extremist on these issues. Yes, there are abuses and dangers in the prescription of psychiatric drugs, they are also a lifesaver for many, many people. His understanding of chemical imbalances -- i.e., he denies there is such a thing -- is bullshit, to say the least. I thought he sounded like a crazed moron on the interviews that were televised today.

I'm sure a flame war will now ensue. I won't participate further, though. First, I have a work deadline to deal with. Second, I just don't feel like getting worked up over this any further.

[Celebration]

23. Don't look at me

I lower cholesterol with policosanol and niacin.
I think my blood with Nattozyme, fish oil and garlic.
I keep my heart strong with alpha lipoic acid and coenzyme Q10.
I improve my moods with inositol.

I also like the energetic stuff that the Scientology people are into. That said, they ARE nuts. I mean they have all these secrets and rites, and there is just too much money involved for the upper echelon. There are plenty of ways to do the same type things without having to join a cult. Others besides Scientologists can do EAV testing.

By the way studies show that a good part of the effects of SSRIs are due to the placebo effect. Not saying some people don't need them. But I sure would try every other route first.

[prolesunited]

24. Have you ever known anyone with mental illness?

Taking vitamins or eating right will NOT make the voices in their head disappear or take away the dark cloud in their mind.

Do people need to take an active role in their recovery? Sure. Are people misdiagnosed? Sometimes. Can medicines be over prescribed? No doubt.

BUT, people like Tom Cruise are trying to take a huge step backward with our treatment and acceptance of mental illness. A pill isn't the only answer, but it often is an integral part of recovery.

Do you have a medical degree? How much knowledge do you have before making this assessment? Where is the literature that backs you up?

[Modem Butterfly]

30. $cientology can help you with that

But first you have to pony up $100,000 and give them all sorts of blacckmail material.

[Endangered Specie]

52. actually its more on the order of 300 grand.

[Modem Butterfly]

60. $100,000 if you sign yourself into slavery at SeaORG

:evilgrin:

[Endangered Specie]

66. Yeah, what is it a million year contract or something?

I forgot if it was millions or billions :shrug: :evilgrin:

[rainy]

37. I have read at least 10 books on raw food. And, do you know

anyone who has actually gone on an all RAW food diet and did not get better? I eat a diet of at least 90% raw. All of my allergies have disappeared. If I cheat on wheat or cheese my sinuses get bad again. I have more energy than I ever believed possible. My moods are sometimes euphoric. I sometimes get an overwhelming sense of peace and genuine joy. I love growing veggies and I feel a strong connection to nature. The real crazies are those who think they can put anything into their bodies and all will be OK.

[zapped 1]

41. The opposite of Raw is WAR

Wae on the earth, chemically induced hostility towards fellow man.

[Modem Butterfly]

45. And then Xenu can get you, right?

:rofl:

[Endangered Specie]

68. please, you got that from the WWF

:evilgrin:

[zapped 1]

79. Please, I got it from here...

rawfood.com

[Endangered Specie]

85. I want to see someone eat RAW pork beef and chicken...

if they are still alive, then we'll talk.

Some foods are better 'raw', but not all.

[zapped 1]

90. if you don't want to kill it yourself,

then you probably shouldn't be eating it.

[Endangered Specie]

98. eh, I shouldnt be doing alot of things...

part of life is having fun, and most the time, fun entails risk... just walking out your front door makes you 10x as likely to die, long life doesnt always mean a good one. Id rather enjoy eating meat than become a herbavore even if it meant +extra years.

Alcohol is bad for you too, but I dont really care either.

Driving reduces your lifespan on average, stop that too?

almost no one 'kills' their own food, be it shooting an animal, or pulling a plant out the ground.

[rainy]

102. raw foodism does not include raw meat or any other animal

product.

[Endangered Specie]

104. then dont count me in on it.

[Modem Butterfly]

42. Raw food made me sick as shit and cased a lupus flare

Damn near killed me. Never again. I'm sticking with a balanced diet from now on.

[zapped 1]

51. did you rush into it?

One thing that angers me about the raw-foodists is that they seldom warn people about de-toxing gradually.

[Modem Butterfly]

59. It was probably body thetans

I've been out-ethics for awhile now.

:rofl:

[zapped 1]

82. it was probaly..

..gluttony and stupidity. You know,combined.

[Modem Butterfly]

179. It didn't work for YOU, so you're a stupid glutton

Got it.

:rofl:

Looks like raw food has made you a bit testy! Or maybe it's the beans and rice treatment...

[Redstone]

110. That was damn funny. The zealots aren't going

to appreciate it, but I do.

Redstone

[JVS]

72. Only a steady diet of Chef Boyardee ravioli can lead to a healthy...

and fulfilling life

[Modem Butterfly]

177. Got to have Coca Cola and Nutty Buddies for a truly balanced diet though

[alarimer]

76. It also carries the risk of bacterial contamination

Even raw vegetables. I take my chances sometimes and eat raw oysters but it is fairly risky. The raw food movement is extreme. There is no scientific evidence to their claims. Our food supply, on balance (GWB's budget cuts to meat inspectors notwithstanding), is pretty safe. People live longer now largely because of an adequate food supply and medical advances like penicillin and vaccines, to name but two.

[alarimer]

77. Oops. Duplicated myself

[Gelliebeans]

138. MB, I can't eat it anymore either

will kill me too in fact it has been years since I have been able to eat raw vegatables --- yeah fun

I have so many people in my life that told me that if I just changed my diet I would be miraculously cured hmmmmm.......my doctor and I have had a good laugh on several occasions regarding the cure alls we have come across.

[Modem Butterfly]

178. When you have a chronic illness like I do...

...people come out of the woodwork with all kinds of well-intentioned but completely worthless advice.

To my mind, the best advice about my health I've ever gotten came from Mrs. Lundquist's 2nd grade class: eat a balanced diet including lots of fruits and vegetables, avoid junk food, drink plenty of water, exercise regularly, and make sure you get a good night's sleep.

[mondo joe]

101. Wow. I've met fundies who have at least 10 books about creationism.

[RandomKoolzip]

190. That's great, but if you start talking about unleashing

the "Thetan" in all of us, we'll turn on ya.

[roguevalley]

156. It strikes me in a way that Cruise is blaming people for their illnesses

and holding them getting science treatment as being bad people. He's a nasty little man, our Tom.

[sendero]

25. Sure...

... that's why it runs in families, why it (most mental disorders) are genetically acquired.

Sorry, that is just so much bullshit. And a moron like Cruise who believes in the nonsense he is taught as a "religion" makes himself look the even bigger fool when he blathers on about something he really knows nothing about.

Sure, psychiatric drugs are probably over-prescribed - that I can accept. The idea that every schizo, bipolar or clinically depressed person will get well if he eat carrots is drooling drivel.

[zapped 1]

33. there are studies..

..that support removing victims from current living situations with positive results, with and without meds.
Their are studies that show cerebral allergies to foods like wheat is a real factor sadly being over-looked by big Pharm.

[sendero]

40. Ok....

... you are talking to someone who is bipolar (luckily a mild case) and who has an autism-spectrum child.

I've spent a lot of time with this. Yes, food allergies are a culprit, I don't disagree with you. Yes, the medical community focuses in on pharmaceutical treatments at the expense of other possiblities. True fact.

The problem is, Cruise maintains that ALL MENTAL ILLNESS is treatable without drugs. And that is simply pure 100% pie-in-the-sky grade-A bullshit.

He's simply peddling a meme of his religious beliefs, his position has no more validity that fundies blathering about the rapture, something that even if you believe the Bible, was pulled straight out of someone's ass.

[zapped 1]

48. I empathize with your condition..

and am not endorsing what Cruise said 100 percent. I think we agree he brought up some valid concerns about a serious problem when he could have been promoting his movie.
It was simular to Lennon's use of "free advertising" to promote Peace during the Vietnam period. He could have used the free publicity to plug his lastest albums but choose the higher cause.

[rox63]

44. You can find a study to say anything you want

As someone who has lived with psych problems, and whose life has been drastically improved and extended by taking psych meds, I would personally like to tell Tom Cruise to fuck off.

[Raster]

34. that's tom (free of my thetan alien inhabitors) cruise, noted authority

on human brain chemistry. really?

[zapped 1]

35. are you saying

that the same people who run household current through (mostly) womens brains and then claim that they "don't know how it works" know anything about brain chemistry?

[rainy]

47. zapped, are you a raw-foodist? Have you read any books on it?

there are many peoples who, untouched by "civilized man" who have never knowned disease or mental illness. The research is out there.

[zapped 1]

57. mostly raw. Mostly reads "Nature's First Law"

..and David Wolfe's books. It all becomes so obvious when one reads "Natures First Law".

[rainy]

74. That's my favorite book on the topic:

At the end of each chapter is this sentence:
Cooked food is poison.
That is a great 1st book for anyone interested.

[Radio-Active]

184. and it's a book that totally plagiarized

another book, called "Raw Eating" by A.T. Hovanessian..

word for word.

Don't recommend the blatant copy, recommend the original.

[rainy]

196. I've read them both. Which part is plagiarized?

[Radio-Active]

199. you obviously haven't read them both if you don't realize this

start with page one.

[rainy]

209. I'm holding both in my hand and I see no plagiarism.

They are both excellent reads though. Very interesting and insightful. Have you read them?

[roguevalley]

157. So, you're a raw food enthusiast. Enjoy it but know most won't.

I have made accomodations to some things but could never give up cheeseburgers. I do remember Euell "Tastes Like Wild Hickory Nuts" Gibbons died of an ulcer. So much for living raw.

[zapped 1]

169. do you kill your own meat?

Furthermore, would you?
BTW, another raw-foodist died at 118. So much for cooked food.

[Modem Butterfly]

65. Reminds me of a conversation I had with a couple of Indian guys once

I worked with a technology firm, importing H-1b contractors. I mentioned over lunch one day that I had a milk allergy. One Indian employee said, "In India, no one is allergic to anything," and another Indian responded with "That's because people with allergies die early on,"

[Sandpiper]

38. You believe that mental problems are the result of Engrams?

Because Xenu the galactic overlord trapped the souls of the surplus population in volcanoes here on earth, then known as Teegeeack?

Because that's what Scientology believes.

[Lex]

43. LOL! I just thought my "humours" needed adjusting. Where's the leeches?

:shrug:

[Redstone]

103. Oh, the aliens in the volcanoes. Remember, the aliens in the

volcanoes say: Be sure to eat your raw vegetables!

We Teegeeackians (or would that be Teegeeackoids?) should listen to them, yes?

Redstone

[Sid Demo]

46. I hate cooked vegetables!!

I eat all vegetables raw. Of course some cannot be eaten raw easily. Beets for one.

[Say_What]

50. Beet's are great if you juice them with

carrots, celery, and lemon--a small beet or portion makes the juice nearly ruby red and very good for you. YUM!!

[Cha]

53. That's the only way I like my beets..

raw and grated by a cruisinart in a salad. They are really sweet and juicy and full of iron and good for the kidneys.

Lot's of garden fresh greens, grated beets, grated carrots, avocado and carrot juice salad dressing..ymmm! :9


http://www.vegparadise.com/cookingwith58.html

[brettdale]

49. Tom Cruise Loves his Fish and Chips

The Last Samuri was flimed here, when Tom came to NewZealand he was phtographed and seen several times eating our favourite take aways here, Fish and Chips.

[Cha]

56. I liked that movie..

"The Last Samuri"..and one of my travel goals is to get to New Zealand, one day!

[Liberal_Dog]

58. You Are Obviously A Malcontent And A Rebel

Now take your dose of "Instant Smile" and be happy like everyone else. :)

The reference to "Instant Smile" is from a "Twilight Zone" episode in which everyone is doped up and cosmetically altered in order to produce phony happiness.

[Orangepeel]

63. when did Tom Cruise say food should be raw?

do you have a link to an interview where he said this?

[orpupilofnature57]

67. Tom croons is a religious fanatic, a millionaire, and right about psychiatry

So what?

[Zhade]

71. No matter the message, a cultist makes a very poor messenger.

YMMV.

[mondo joe]

73. Between the anti-science right and the woo-woo left I think I should just

move to Europe.

Seriously.

[Endangered Specie]

75. The extremes of all sides are equally ugly

:hurts:

[mondo joe]

78. Not so much even the extremes as the "I'll make up my own science" nutjobs

Whether the claim is that cooked food is poison or the earth is 6,000 years old it's all the same.

[Endangered Specie]

81. Or that over unity and perpetual motion machines are possible

:eyes: those are some real gems :sarcasm:

[zapped 1]

95. or that shock treatments are good for the brain?

you are funny!

[mondo joe]

97. In some cases "shock treatment" is beneficial.

Which is not the same as "shock treatments are good for the brain".

[zapped 1]

107. do you have direct experience to back that up?

I am not being critical of you. What you said is a common "talking point" of the APA.

[mondo joe]

109. The evidence is that for some conditions it is benneficial.

You needn't believe me. Look at the data.

[zapped 1]

115. there is no data

Would you believe that there has never been a long term follow up study on people who have recieved this bit of "science"?
Most studies convieniently go out only a few weeks after, while the Brain Injury induced euphoria is still working. They need to ask people how they are doing a year later and whether they have returned to their regular line of work, like,say, Hemingway.
ALso, they need to perform before and after cognitive tests and establish fucking STANDARDS on how much and how long the voltage is applied. Scientists.

[mondo joe]

118. Please don't repeat untruths.

In fact there is plenty of data on the benefits for people with some conditions.

It's not a first choice for any, just as surgery is not a first choice.

But in some cases it is called for, is beneficial.

[zapped 1]

121. Try it yourself, you'll like it

I stand by my facts. Let me know how you make out.
'nite.

p.s Karl Rove sux

[mondo joe]

123. I don't have a condition that calls for it. Thanks for demonstrating how

illogical your stance is.

Maybe I should inject some insulin even though I'm not diabetic. Or use an antibiotic even though I don't have an infection. Maybe I should have a healthy limb amputated to see what it's like for those who need it.

That's what your argument amounts to.

[zapped 1]

127. here is the logic

You are being illogical. You can't compare blows to the brain, the Master of it all if you will, to insulin shots for diabetes.
If someone is depressed, you don't make them better by robbing their memories and cognitive functioning. You don't traumatize them further.
If that is science, it is barbaric science.
There are good psychiatrists with good intent, and there are greedy bastards who know less than Tom Cruise when it comes to the Hippocratic oath.
You seem to have an issue with this. What is it that you don't get?

[mondo joe]

129. Again, for SOME cases it is called for and beneficial.

Medical treatment is not one size fits all.

In Medicine there is a hierarchy of treatment, the most invasive reserved for the last, only when others fail.

In almost all treatment there is a cost/benefit ratio. When you get to the end of the line the margin may get the thinnest, but it's still there.

For some, the benefits of shock therapy outweigh the the costs. For many that would not be the case.

Tom Cruise knows shit because he can't SAY what he knows (other than that he knows it).

My issue is only with emotionalism over facts and superstition over reason.

[zapped 1]

130. 100,000 Patients per year is not SOME

And many are not informed about the side affects. And everyone makes lots and lots and lots of money.
And 'dem are the facts.

[mondo joe]

143. How many are not informed about the side "affects"?

[roguevalley]

158. My sister lost a leg in a motorcycle accident and without drugs

she would have died of pain. Her depression is intense from the accident and from her altered chemistry and without drugs she would be dead by her own hand. Tom Cruise can kiss my ass. He truly can. Lose a limb, Tom and see if you seek Xenu or a doctor.

[mondo joe]

176. Neither Cruise nor some of the posters here give a shit about the

people who have benefited from psychiatry or medication.

[zapped 1]

188. ok.

Your opinion. You are the one who likes using the word "nutjob".

[Name removed]

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[zapped 1]

170. you've convinced me to register as a Repuplican

they are much more civil with each other.

[Endangered Specie]

208. be our guests...

[Name removed]

83. Deleted message

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[Endangered Specie]

87. mmm Margarita!

:beer:

[gauguin57]

84. Jeebus! Wake up! He shills for a cult that robs and kills!

Scientology steals people's money and is reponsible for many deaths (do your research!). By advertising this cult of greed, Tom Cruise has BLOOD ON HIS HANDS UP TO HIS ARMPITS!!!!!

He's blabbering about things he knows nothing about. He's complaining about psychotropic drugs ONLY because Scientology wants to charge you thousands and thousands and THOUSANDS of dollars to "solve your problems" (in other words, hook you up to a phony machine with a floating needle and saying whether you're "clear") instead of you getting tested therapies.

He's shilling for a cult that has stolen millions from brainwashed people; has caused people to commit suicide; has kept people locked up in hotel rooms (when they've wanted to leave the cult) and allowed them to get dehydrated to the point of death (I'm not kidding ... like I said, do your research on the deaths Scientology is responsible for); has wiretapped and harassed reporters who try to investigate them (and has harassed journalists' friends and family members) and is based on the rambling writings of a pulp sci-fi writer. A writer (hubbard) who said the best way to get rich off others is to start your own religion.


Do your research. start here:
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishman/time-behar.html

[rainy]

93. I was not talking from a religious point of view but from a

simply nutritious point of view and a raw-foodist point of view. I have no knowledge of Scientology and thank you for your information.

[QC]

159. Bravo! Excellent post! n/t

[otohara]

185. My Scientology Encounter -

In the 80's I was the marketing director for a large music retailer. This guy calls me and says he's coming to town and wants to take me to dinner to discuss a promotion. He's from LA Scientology and they want to do a promotion surrounding the "soundtrack" to "Battlestar Galactica" (The BOOK) The movie had not yet been made. Of course the "soundtrack to the book" had musician's of Scientology, most notably Chick Corea

They had made a huge blowup of one of the characters and they wanted to pull it around the city and ending up in the parking lot of one of the stores. I said no fucking way would I do such a stupid ass promotion.

He would not take no for an answer and flew to here the next day. Armed w/ really bad cocaine and non-stop babble. I made a friend go with me and we listened to this nut-case go on and on about Scientology. I was surprised about the coke, I thought they were anti-drug, but apparantly they do make exceptions.

Finally I grabbed his shirt near his neck and said "what part of NO don't you understand?" We then left this nicely dressed strange young man at the table.

[gauguin57]

88. And here's the fact-check on his LIES about psychiatry!

http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2005-06-14

Cruise Tripped Up by Magazine Over Scientology Claims

Tom Cruise's beliefs in Scientology are based on misinformation, according to US showbiz magazine Entertainment Weekly - after editors checked facts from a recent interview with the movie star. Just weeks after accusing Brooke Shields of being "misinformed" after she championed anti-depressants for helping her deal with post-partum depression, Cruise made a couple of sweeping statements to Entertainment Weekly reporter Benjamin Svetkey.

The writer chose to check Cruise's comments and found out he wasn't accurate. Supporting Scientology claims that psychiatry is "a Nazi science", Cruise stated, "Jung (Carl Jung, the father of modern psychiatry) was an editor for the Nazi papers during World War Two," which the magazine's researchers discovered is untrue, according to the New York Center For Jungian Studies.

The movie star continued, "Look at the experimentation the Nazis did with electric shock and drugging. Look at the drug methadone. That was originally called Adolophine. It was named after Adolf Hitler." The magazine also questions Cruise on this point, explaining, "According to the Dictionary Of Drugs And Medications... this is an urban legend."

[Sandpiper]

89. Delete

[sweetheart]

175. cooking food kills germs

Cooking also helps break down the food for digestion. It is part of
what we've learned worldwide about preparing food that does not contain
dangerous microbes. Unless you're able to control the entire process
of the food preparation and growth. Unless you plant the seeds, and
control the environment, there is wisdom to washing things, peeling
things and cooking things.

Plus, for anyone who's in to cooking, some things taste like shit if
you don't cook them. Turnips, potatos, rice, parsnips, onions and
other foods are converted to "edible" by cooking. Tom cruise has a
legitimate beef with the quality of food in america, genetic engineering,
pesticides and hormones... and indeed, a balance diet can be a way to
prevent diabetes and some sicknesses. But serious illness will always
be with us, and curing illness is a wholistic thing... using the whole
environment, with EVERYTHING in it, including whatever drugs work.

[Redstone]

186. You're right, I'd also like to see a raw-food nutbar eat

a few raw olives. Granted, olives don't have to be cooked per se, but they do have to be treated.

Raw corn is pretty indigestible, too.

Redstone

[spooky3]

91. I prefer to get my medical advice from someone who is qualified, not

from Tom Cruise. I somehow doubt that he has the training to interpret the best scientific literature, and doubt even more that he has the time to read it.

[mondo joe]

100. When the best defense is "Believe me, you don't know what I know" you can

rest assured you are better off not believing him.

Mr. Cruise should stick to movies.

[Sandpiper]

125. Whom to trust

A board certified licensed psychiatrist?

OR

A dilettante movie star whose "expertise" is limited to the "mysteries" of Scientology?


Wow. That's a tough one.


:rofl:

[Telly Savalas]

137. I'm inclined to believe Tom Cruise.

But I'd feel more confident if his claims were corroborated by other experts on nutrition and medicine like Nomar Garciaparra and Tony Bennett.

[Jose Diablo]

112. I don't know

sometimes beef tastes OK rare, but raw? No thanks. Ever try to eat a pinto bean dry?

Look at our teeth. Do we have the chompers of a herbivore? We are omnivores I believe the term is. We are equipped to eat veggies AND meat. Our intestines show this to be true also else we wouldn't like meat. We are able to eat practically anything that doesn't eat us first.

As for processing the food, I agree about some of the chemicals in our food chain do not belong there, but which ones? A lot of the chemicals are preservatives that allow our western lifestyle of living away from the land. It takes a certain amount of time to harvest the food, ship the food and sitting in the warehouse or store.

Unless we want to abandon our current lifestyle and return to the land, in much smaller numbers I might add, what choice do we have but use some chemicals to preserve the food?

I will grant you though, we do eat far too much pre-cooked, processed food. But there is just no way to get rid of some of the non-food stuff that is there too.

I am not sure about the part of 'before' we started cooking our food we were better off. That would be kind of hard to substantiate that stand. Who was there? Anybody have a book that was written then saying just how wonderful it really was?

If I look at a chimpanzee's teeth, they can look kinda rotten also, just like someone that has never brushed their teeth.

Not to call out Cruse's statements about the food he likes, but I don't think it is entirely truthful. Sounds to me like it is on the same category of statements about how beautiful living was in the past.

It wasn't you know. By and large from the history I have read, before the industrial age, life was short and brutal. If you doubt this just go to a real old cemetery and look at the tombstones and you will get an idea just how wonderful it really was in the past.

[rainy]

126. according to biology our intestines are much longer than carnivores

we only make a small amount of enzymes used to break down proteins
just enough to break down proteins in veggies, nuts and fruits

A mother's breast milk contains about the same nutrients as a piece of fruit in about the same ratios, proteins to sugars etc...

Our bodies stop making the enzymes that break down lactose at about the age of 3, about the age we should be weaned from mother's milk. Dairy is not for our bodies. Causes too much mucus.

Our teeth are not made for ripping the flesh of other animals.
We sweat, carnivores pant.

[really annoyed]

134. Um, You're Wrong Here

Our teeth are made to chew meat.

You know, CANINE teeth. Pointy and sharp.

Sounds like propaganda from a vegan source. I put in your "facts" to a search engine - all biased sources.

[rainy]

195. Are you saying we have dog teeth?

I don't think so. We do not have the same mouth and teeth as dogs. Plus, we chew our food, meat eating animals swallow whole they do not chew. Naugh maybe. Our intestines are waaaaaaaaaaaay longer then meat eating animals. Breast milk has the same make up as fruit, explain that? Breast milk has little protein. You do not need protein to make it. How does a cow get its protein? From the lowly clover.

[Beelzebud]

116. No thanks. No Scientology CULT for me.

[JackRiddler]

119. ahem...

Is this what the OP said? Are you attacking a strawman?

[BMG]

122. I agree with some of what he says.

No, you are correct; a lot of what he said on Pharmacuetical drugs is true, I would know from experience. I ditched paxil and dexadrine (adderall) years ago, and now I am a Medicinal Marijuana User. I dont get the nasty side effects of pills. I can make a thread on this later; I have a lot to say on the subject.

[muriel_volestrangler]

168. Well, you're just on a different drug

So I don't think Cruise would agree with you at all.

[gate of the sun]

124. Well he is right

look I didn't hear all this business about denatured food but the food in the grocery stores is bogus full of high fructose corn syrup and hydrolyzed oils and additives and preservatives not to mention sprayed with pesticides. Our food sources are not congruent with healthy living. I'll give you that but I agree with Tom Cruise on medicating children.. I think it is wrong and we have to keep in mind GW bush's new initiative to have all children tested and medicated. I have 5 children 2 would be considered candidates for medication one is 25 now and I never medicated her, now I have a 5 year old who fits gifted but a candidate ......I say forget it......I want my child's giftedness to pan out.....I am really angry about this and the implications involved in medicating often gifted children. They don't want gifted children. They don't want children to grow up and challenge the status quo. Believe me I have been through it with my children and even though with my eldest who wasn't medicated I am very happy I opted NO for the drugs. What we are really talking about here are kids who don't fit an ideology of easiness and conformity. Sometimes I get frustrated to no end with my 5 year old but when I listen to him talk about the big bang and speak in vocabulary many adults couldn't come up with.... I let him be and try harder.

[Singular73]

128. Yeah, Dahmer just had a Lactose imbalance

Garbage. Pure garbage.

So all physical ailments are just in people's minds too.

[Phentex]

172. .

:thumbsup:

[zapped 1]

131. self-delete

[really annoyed]

135. Whatever

I could care less what the man - and his "religion" - has to say about anything.

[dummy-du1]

136. Let's get rid of psychiatry, and let's bring Scientology to everyone

Four years after my departure, David Miscavige, head of the Church of Scientology, admitted in a 1995 speech to the International Association of Scientologists, that Scientology still had not achieved its goal. He said that:

"There are a lot of opinions out there as to what is wrong with Earth, 1995 - unstable economies, unstable political arenas, criminality, drugs, injustice and so forth - obviously valid concerns.

But if you really want to eliminate those problems, all you have to do is work for the objectives that we, as members of the IAS, have set for the year 2000: Objective One - place Scientology at the absolute forefront of Society. Objective Two - eliminate psychiatry in all its forms.

We don't care what the current think is regarding what's wrong with the planet. Government won't handle it. Politics won't handle it. Legislation won't handle it. All that's going to handle it is what we, of the IAS, have set down in stone.

Let's get rid of psychiatry, and let's bring Scientology to every Man, Woman and Child on this planet."4


http://www.xenu.net/archive/world_without/

[QC]

160. Looks like they're real busy down in Lakeland tonight.

Given what a pluperfect fool Li'l Tom Crui$e has made of himself lately, what with his "romance" and his shilling for the Hubbard cult, we can expect that the folks down at Loony Central are going to have all their drones out on the message boards singing his praises.

Still, though, I didn't expect it to be this entertaining! }(

Anybody up for some clam chowder?

[Spider Jerusalem]

164. I believe that that's an absurd assertion.

There are some diseases which are caused by diet (colon cancer, heart disease, type 2 diabetes, and others) but the idea that ALL disease is caused by diet is laughable. And the idea that mental illnesses like depression, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, etc. have ANYTHING to do with diet rather than genetics, neurology, and the stresses of living in an overcrowded and insanely fast-paced modern world is worse than absurd, it's amazingly ignorant.

And neither Cruise nor Scientology know jack...Scientology "detox" centres give people dangerous quantities of niacin (amounts sufficient to cause liver damage, in fact). Considering the ignorance of dietary needs displayed by Scientology here and elsewhere, I feel pretty confident in dismissing anything they say as hogwash.

Humans have been cooking their food for a very long time; there are good reasons for doing so, especially in the case of meat (e. coli, salmonella and trichinosis are probably even worse than you seem to think cooked food is).

[DireStrike]

173. Without cooking we never would have developed the large brains that we so

treasure. Our skulls would be largely devoted to chewing.

[mikeytherat]

174. What Tom Cruise Doesn't Know Might Hurt You

http://mrcranky.com/movies/whattomcruisedoesntknowmighthurtyou.html

mikey_the_rat

[goclark]

180. Tom may be a little out there but

he has given us something to think about,I liked a few things that he has done.

First, he called out Lauer! I loved that because Lauer is a BUSHCO and thinks he knows everything and how to bully people. Remember how he tried on Kitty Kelly?

I also agree that Tom may not know anything about Medicine but we all know that the Drug industry in America needs a LOT of looking into.

Every time I look at TV, I am told what meds to take for every condition!
I am sick of it and it needs to stop!

So, if Tom does nothing else, he has called attention to the fact that we are over medicated and have no idea what the side effects are, no idea!

Trust me, I kept telling five doctors that the meds were not right for me (tingling/muscle pains/cramps) and only ONE said to get off of all of the drugs immediately.

The others were sure that it could not have been the MEDS they prescribed, it must have been one of the others!

I am now off all of them and taking allergy shots. I have never felt better in my life.

Please keep me in your prayers however. That means that my immune system was severely damaged from all the meds that I have taken over the years.


Let Tom keep talking, he has as much right to speak his mind as BUSH and Cheney.

[GoldenOldie]

181. Tom Cruise did a great disservice to new moms who have post-partum

depression. His nastly little attack on Brook Shields and insinuating she was a drug-pusher made me want to crawl through the tube and smack the sanctimonious little shit.

It took a lotta guts for Brook Shields to tell her story and the story of millions of women who are embarrassed and ashamed about their feelings with their new baby.

We only have to look at the news and those mothers who are now sitting in prison after having similiar problems, unable to deal with them and went on to kill their children.

Tom Cruise has deeper issues of his own and I don't think his Scientology beliefs nor drugs will cure them.

[goclark]

183. Tom has a lot of problems

and I was disappointed in his response to Brook.

I was nit talking about that specifically.

[grumpy old fart]

192. Dude looked seriously psycho in that interview, seriously...

I mean way way too intense and pompous for a guy with little formal education and deep into a wacko cult.....

[progressivebydesign]

182. Uh yeah. There was NO disease before we started processing food. Not. n/t

[rainy]

197. How do you know?

we may live long but we are not healthy. Our bodies have to use good vitamins just to process the junk we put in depriving it of energy. Cancer can't grow in a mostly akaline body, meat eaters are mostly acid bodies. These are proven facts. If you eat raw your white blood cell count does not change. As soon as you put cooked food in your mouth your white blood count rises. This has baffled the meat eating scientists as they are blind to the truth. But, the SCIENTISTS who are aware of the akaline balance and white blood count facts have written many studies about it. Just never makes it to the mainstream, is black balled as it does not fit the corporate medicine theories.

[Bluerthanblue]

210. i'm sure many a human died from ingesting raw mushrooms-

[mondo joe]

219. This sounds exactly like creationist talk about "scientists who are AWARE"

and just as convincing.

[Bluerthanblue]

198. tell that to a hemophialic, or an insulin dependent diabetic

while our environmental trashing is without doubt causing harm to us, as well as the planet as a whole- illness, physical,AND mental has existed since time began.

Tom Cruise is in need of some big time help- and scientology isn't it-
But i believe he's afraid of himself, and how out of control he is-

We may be the only animal that cooks- but we are also the only animal that can actually CURE another animal with the appropriate mixture of naturally occuring materials, administered in appopriate doses and situations-

if you eat meat, don't eat it raw, - ever.

Cooking does indeed destroy some vitimans, but use the broth, in alot of situations- Cooking also destroys deadly germs and bacteria.

We are also the only animals that don't have fur to allow us to survive the winter- or who clothes themself, would you last long in a northern New England winter without clothes, let alone a fire???-

Geneticly mutating foods is something i will never support, organic food is FAR better but sometimes not affordable- as close to natural as possible is the best option- but Cruise is an asshole on this issue- does he allow his skin to be fouled by 'make-up' when he makes his movies????

gimmie a break Tom- live and let live.

[rainy]

203. Medicine cures nothing. It only stiffles the symptoms.

[Bluerthanblue]

206. bullshit- i can prove to you

there are MANY illnesses that pennicillin cures.
Yes CURES not stifles, not puts into remission, not hides, but cures-

You HAVE a point about the closer to natural our food is, often the better it nourishes us, don't blow your credibility with outrageous general statements like 'medicine cures nothing'-

You waste the ground you just cultivated!

[rainy]

207. I meant drugs, not antibiotics, which aid in getting rid of infections

antibiotics are helpful in the acid body where enough of the bodies own fighting ability has been compromised. We all have bacteria, but it gets to the infectious stage by our awful diets. I still think we wouldn't need antibiotics if we were not polluting our bodies on a regular basis, based on the scienfitic research I've read. Why do some people get sick when others do not when all are exposed to the same "germs"? You'll say their immune system is better, but why? Maybe they eat that apple a day, ha!

[rainy]

200. one final word, I'm probably talking to myself,

we are not well, we are fat, diabetic, allergic, diseased. Until science can, with all of its knowledge, produce a living cell or a seed that will grow into a beautiful life giving tree, then Nature will be my guide and nature does not supply cooked, enzyme less food for us to thrive on. Cooking destroys enzymes, diminishes vitamins and alters the chemistry of the natural food which was meant to be our fuel.

[Bluerthanblue]

204. if we invested the kind of

time, energy, and money in learning how best to LIVE, rather than how best to KILL, we'd likely be a far FAR healthier, more contented world Rainy, but the realism in me says that day won't come till society as we now know it has destroyed itself, and possibly begins again.

i'm not a pessimest, i'm an optomist who doesn't like unpleasant surprises.

[rainy]

211. I think you are right but as we get closer to running out of oil

maybe just maybe we will take better care of our food sourse, the earth and all of her majastic beauty and bounty.

[Radio-Active]

202. oh yeah..

I'm sure Raw Foodists everywhere will just love that you are linking their diet to a dangerous cult. Bravo!

[rainy]

212. Yea, I totally get your point, I didn't mean to do that. It was a

hasty post, and I do regret linking it with Cruises religion. Thanks for pointing that out so I could respond.
Truly,
Rainy

[Qanisqineq]

213. Rainy -

Can I pm you to ask you a couple questions?

[rainy]

215. Sure, please do!

[slutticus]

221. "Destroying enzymes and vitamins"

:rofl:

You do know that enzymes and proteins from our food are pretty much destroyed by the acid in your stomach anyway...right?

I'm pretty sure that cooking food came about because of bacterial contamination problems early in our caveman years...but you know best.... :eyes:

[rainy]

224. I knew someone would bring this up under that theory we

might as well eat cardboard.

Found this at:http://www.geocities.com/pathways2eden/raw-life.html
Doesn't the acidic ph of the stomach destoy enzymes?
Viktorus Kulvinskas, one of the world's foremost and most experienced active researchers into enzyme nutrition has information showing then stomach acid merely deactivates food enzymes. The enzymes are then reactivated in the more alkaline small intestine. Many people who eat all raw foods, sense a world of healthful difference in our energy, digestion and connectedness with nature by eating enzyme-rich living foods. When we stopped eating cooked protein foods which require large secretions of stomach acid (which is not healthful for several reasons) our stomach doesn't produce much stomach acid. Many people who eat raw foods eat a low protein diet and are free from the stomach acid secretions and have much more energy and a lighter disposition.