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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 09:42 PM
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Did anyone see Obama's speech?
http://www.knox.edu/x9803.xml

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“What will be your place in history?”

In other eras, across distant lands, this question could be answered with relative ease and certainty. As a servant in Rome, you knew you’d spend your life forced to build somebody else’s Empire. As a peasant in 11th Century China, you knew that no matter how hard you worked, the local warlord might come and take everything you had—and you also knew that famine might come knocking at the door. As a subject of King George, you knew that your freedom of worship and your freedom to speak and to build your own life would be ultimately limited by the throne.

And then America happened.

A place where destiny was not a destination, but a journey to be shared and shaped and remade by people who had the gall, the temerity to believe that, against all odds, they could form “a more perfect union” on this new frontier.
And as people around the world began to hear the tale of the lowly colonists who overthrew an empire for the sake of an idea, they started to come. Across oceans and the ages, they settled in Boston and Charleston, Chicago and St. Louis, Kalamazoo and Galesburg, to try and build their own American Dream. This collective dream moved forward imperfectly—it was scarred by our treatment of native peoples, betrayed by slavery, clouded by the subjugation of women, shaken by war and depression. And yet, brick by brick, rail by rail, calloused hand by calloused hand, people kept dreaming, and building, and working, and marching, and petitioning their government, until they made America a land where the question of our place in history is not answered for us. It’s answered by us.

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The true test of the American ideal is whether we’re able to recognize our failings and then rise together to meet the challenges of our time. Whether we allow ourselves to be shaped by events and history, or whether we act to shape them. Whether chance of birth or circumstance decides life’s big winners and losers, or whether we build a community where, at the very least, everyone has a chance to work hard, get ahead, and reach their dreams.

We have faced this choice before.

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In Washington, they call this the Ownership Society. But in our past there has been another term for it—Social Darwinism—every man or woman for him or herself. It’s a tempting idea, because it doesn’t require much thought or ingenuity. It allows us to say that those whose health care or tuition may rise faster than they can afford—tough luck. It allows us to say to the Maytag workers who have lost their job—life isn’t fair. It let’s us say to the child who was born into poverty—pull yourself up by your bootstraps. And it is especially tempting because each of us believes we will always be the winner in life’s lottery, that we’re the one who will be the next Donald Trump, or at least we won’t be the chump who Donald Trump says: “You’re fired!”

But there is a problem. It won’t work. It ignores our history. It ignores the fact that it’s been government research and investment that made the railways possible and the internet possible. It’s been the creation of a massive middle class, through decent wages and benefits and public schools that allowed us all to prosper. Our economic dependence depended on individual initiative. It depended on a belief in the free market; but it has also depended on our sense of mutual regard for each other, the idea that everybody has a stake in the country, that we’re all in it together and everybody’s got a shot at opportunity. That’s what’s produced our unrivaled political stability.

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Damn, still don't like his Schiavo vote but he may force America to look in a very big mirror very soon.
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 10:04 PM
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1. kick
its a good speech;;;


:kick:
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 10:15 PM
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2. So yeah, what did he think of the Rove crap????
Obama is one of these dreamers, and if he catches on......we'll all be better for it, but he's one of these type of people that has a dream of a life that will never happen. He's the dreamer, he's the one that tells us of perfection, a perfect society of harmony. AND IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. It sounds sooooooo good, but, it'll never become reality.
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 10:21 PM
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3. Then you need to study physics
anything that can be concieved in the mind can be achieved.


ask Thomas Jefferson.
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newswolf56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 10:27 PM
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4. I just read the full text of Obama's speech...
...and can't say much because I have to leave in about 10 minutes and I'm still not fully dressed. But the speech, which is genuinely reminiscent of FDR, makes it very clear Obama's of presidential caliber. Edwards is taking a similar tone, but Obama is much more powerful, much more compelling by his focus on the threat to all of us and not just those who are already impoverished. Indeed this may represent a long-overdue and very radical change of direction.

But why the the hell aren't more Democrats talking the same way? (I believe it is because they are too afraid of the monopolies that so thoroughly own them -- the REAL reason they are so often indistinguishable from Republicans.)

Anyway, thanks for posting the link.
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 10:45 PM
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6. LOOK AT HIS VOTING RECORD!!! Yeah he can give a speech
to die for but, where are his votes, look at his voting record, he's not for Mr. & Mrs John Doe. He's a dreamer......kinda like Bobby Kennedy, and look what happened to him, and I don't mean to be a downer, but really look at Obama's voting record. It's not good.
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 10:59 PM
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8. Find what you disagree with
http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm

He talks like a dreamer, that doesn't mean he is one.

You also misrepresent RFK. I would bet you don't know much about either guy.
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a kennedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 11:19 PM
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10. Ahhh, but I think RFK was a dreamer too.....
I know enough about both to stick with what I've said. Obama has not voted for the middle man and woman of the US. Bobby Kennedy did have the correct "voice" of America in 67 & 68, but if you read how he and his brother Jack really handled the power when Bobby was AG, it would may-be make you change your mind. So may-be you should tell me again what I had wrong??? and thanks
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 05:57 PM
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11. There is a difference
between telling me facts and saying you know the facts and I don't Mr. Cruise.

What about RFK Senate record do you disagree with? What part of his desegregation of schools did you disagree with when he was AG?

What specifically do you disagree with from Barak Obamas 6 mos in the senate?
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jmcon007 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 10:43 PM
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5. Yeah, I was a little disappointed in Obama a while back myself, but
I think maybe I expected a little too much too soon. After his speech at the Dem Convention I sensed a little of Dr. King in him, but there will be only one Martin Luther King.
Obama is smart, no doubt. If he keeps sticking his neck out and telling it like it is he will be attacked....and I mean relentlessly and in true neocon sleazeball fashion.....and he'll feel wounded.
But, if he keeps getting up and fighting back with nothing but the strength of his spirit.....who knows? We liberals hold up mirrors to conservatives all the time, to no avail. But, when you think about it, it really is those who hold up the "very big mirror" to all America that make their mark on the country.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 10:46 PM
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7. Powerful as in, POWERFUL. (eom)
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Independent_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-24-05 11:08 PM
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9. He's a great speaker!
Go Obama!
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