Klein - conservative propaganda blowback?

[Cell Whitman]

I am not so sure Klein is as big a liar as we may think. Could it be that he is just the product of the years of right wing propaganda? Lies?.. like they can no longer find their way home to the truth?

Listening to him on Franken, sounded to me like one problem was that he used conservative sources. As we all know the right has been layering lies upon lies upon half truths upon lies onto their cult for the last 25 years. (since about the time they got in bed with Moon) They are feeding off their own propaganda. Some of them really aren't in on the secret the rest of world knows, that conservatives are full of shit.

so you end up with:

K: Clinton held up the airplanes at LAX.

Q: NO he didn't, where did you get that? The FAA said he didn't

K: I have a source.

Q: HUH?

K: One source, Ann Coulter, she has 398,987,304 footnotes and that trumps the FAA.

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This is has been something I find to be big problem in talking to conservatives. The propaganda, the lies they have been fed are so layered..ingrained...hard to get through. How do you talk to someone whose reality is based on decades of lies and half truths?

OK, enough trying to figure a way to make them not as bad as they are...looks like Klein is all in... :)


http://www.nationalreview.com/interrogatory/klein200506200754.asp

I have had more than 40 years of experience as a serious journalist dealing with sources, both Left and Right, on and off the record. And while writing The Truth About Hillary, I scrupulously checked all my sources for fairness and accuracy.

[XOKCowboy]

1. Al Franken and Joe Conason ripped him a new ass today..

Go to www.crooksandliars.com to listen to the whole interview. Good for them.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

3. It was beautiful. Conason was great.

Both really exposed Klein for the fraud he is.

[Eric J in MN]

2. i disagree that Ed Klein was just misled.

Ed Klein wrote that Senator Moynihan hated Hillary Clinton so much that he couldn't bring himself to say her name in his endorsement speech.

When Al Franken pointed out to him that Moynihan DID use Hillary Clinton's name in the speech, Klein's reponse was:

"I should have used an ellipses" (in the Moynihan quote which took out her name.)

If it were an honest mistake, he would have said that he made a mistake based on a bad source which didn't have the full speech.

Instead, he was trying to dodge the issue. Which shows Ed Klein's dishonesty.

[Cell Whitman]

5. I agree, he is a liar but do you think

he is Johnny Gosch? :)

[Panda1]

9. Hahaha

[FloridaPat]

4. I think the airport was Traverse City, Michigan. I remember hearing

something about it. Airports are shut down when the pres flies in and out. I can just imagine LAX shut down for any long period of time.

[Cell Whitman]

6. Transcript -- What was it that did happen in Traverse city?

I heard something about that, too.

But I do believe it was LAX, which as you point out, it would have been HUGE if LAX was really closed down, which make the lie even more ridiculous.

Madia Matters has the transcript up.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200506240007

FRANKEN: Okay. How about the, ah, LAX thing? The haircut that supposedly held up traffic at LAX.

KLEIN: Mm-hmmm .

FRANKEN: Now you know that that's not true, right?

KLEIN: No, I don't know that's not true.

CONASON: Again because you didn't do any reporting. That was, that story was debunked at the time that it came out 12 years ago. You, you, I mean it's just astonishing to me --

KLEIN: What?

CONASON: -- how little work was put into this book --

KLEIN: Well, you know --

CONASON: -- in terms of trying to establish whether any of this stuff that you've written here is true!

KLEIN: So, you're saying, Joe, that the president did not hold up traffic --

CONASON: Yeah.

KLEIN: -- at LAX?

CONASON: I'm saying that not only would I say that, but that's the established fact that's been reported after that story came out in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the FAA made it very clear that not one flight was held up as a result of that.

KLEIN: Well, Joe --

CONASON: And that was established a long time ago.

KLEIN: You and I are reading different, ah, newspapers, I think.

CONASON: No It's, it's not a matter of reading different newspapers; it's a matter of what the Federal Aviation Administration said about this incident. It was debunked at the time.

FRANKEN: Do you want to read -- do you want to hear what the, ah, St. Louis Post-Dispatch said?

KLEIN: Well, if you'd like to read it, that's -- it's your show.

FRANKEN: Well, okay. The story that -- was the planes were kept circling as President Bill Clinton had his hair clipped on Air Force One at Los Angeles Airport. This was 1993, not last month. The haircut by Beverly Hills stylist Christophe became such a metaphor for perceived White House arrogance that the president himself felt compelled to apol...ah, apologize for reported flight delays. But the reports were wrong. According to the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration), records obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, the haircut May 18th caused no significant delays of regular scheduled passenger flights, no circling planes, no traffic jams on runways. Commuter airlines that fly routes routinely affected by the President's haircut confirmed that they had no record of delays, etc. etc. etc.

CONASON: What's peculiar to me is, you don't seem to care whether you get these things right or not.

KLEIN: What's peculiar to me, Mr. Conason, is that you're still stuck back in 1993 instead 2005. This book is --

CONASON: No, you were, you were writing about something that happened in 1993.

[XOKCowboy]

8. You Can't Handle The Truth! LOL

My apologies to Jack Nicholson. What a great interview! I was laughing my ass off while listening to it!

[realFedUp]

7. Money whore

just like a lot of the so-called "journalists"
we have today.

Too busy keeping their job than doing their job.

[kentuck]

10. In the end, he may help Hillary....

the law of unintended consequences...