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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:59 AM
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Link to NYT/AP article in which Billy Graham praises the Clintons CHANGED!
Here is the article posted last night in LBN, and the responses:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1581812&mesg_id=1581812

If you click on the link now, however, you get an article that does not include Graham's praise for the couple, or his quip that Bill should become a preacher, and Hillary should run the country. Here is a link to the original article, which I located in the UK Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5099036,00.html
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 09:02 AM
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1. I just noticed that when I was going to post a segment of the article
in a new thread.

They took out all the good stuff.

I googled for the paragraph where he says Bill should become an evangelist and let Hillary run the country. No matches.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 09:41 AM
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6. Is this common, do you know, for a link to change to a different article?
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 10:15 AM
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9. I know they update and modify them somewhat but it seems
weird that they took out those quotes of Grahams. That was the most interesting part of the article.

:shrug:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 09:06 AM
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2. kick.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 09:09 AM
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3. Just emailed them and asked why they took it out
what weirdness.
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 09:14 AM
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4. Betcha a quarter they say the reporter put it in there as a joke. n/t
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 09:40 AM
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5. That would be a great quote in a Hillary campaign
You'd think that could be considered almost an endorsement, wouldn't you?

I wonder how the GOPuke "holier than thou" crowd are feeling this morning.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 09:58 AM
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7. It made front page of AOL!
With the paragraph intact....

Graham called the Clintons ''wonderful friends'' and ''a great couple,'' quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow ''his wife to run the country.''

...http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20050624162009990007&ncid=NWS00010000000001

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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 10:06 AM
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8. Thank you! I'm relieved it hasn't been removed everywhere. nt
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 10:30 AM
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11. CNN playing tape of Graham making his comments; he also said...
after saying that he told Clinton after he left office that he should become an evangelist, that it was because "he had all the gifts," and he did indeed say that Clinton should then leave his wife to "run the country."
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 11:41 AM
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18. cnn???
wow! That is good news! :)
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Alizaryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 11:50 AM
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19. There's a poll on the AOL link too
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 10:29 AM
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10. They just played the statement on CNN
Bill and Hill were up front by Rev. Graham and Bill cracked up about the evangelist line. Graham said he has all the gifts.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 11:38 AM
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17. I'd love to see this on Dembloggers.
:)
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 10:51 AM
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12. Perhaps the NYT was pressured to remove it.

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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 10:58 AM
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13. That's what I'm wondering.... nt
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 11:07 AM
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14. Hey Mr DJ! Got a disc of
"THIS IS HOW WE DO IT?"

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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 11:10 AM
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15. Here's the entire article
Last night when I saw the article, I emailed the entire article to myself. So if the New York Times has changed it or something, here is the entire article:

Clinton Honors Graham at Last Revival

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: June 25, 2005
Filed at 9:08 p.m. ET

NEW YORK (AP) -- As his final American revival meeting continued Saturday, a fragile Billy Graham was met onstage by former President Clinton, who honored the evangelist, calling him ''a man I love.''

Clinton spoke briefly before Graham's sermon and recalled how the man known as America's pastor had refused to preach before a segregated audience in Arkansas decades ago when that state was in a bitter fight over school desegregation.

''I was just a little boy and I'll never forget it,'' said Clinton, who was joined by his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. ''I've loved him ever since. God bless you, friend.''

Graham called the Clintons ''wonderful friends'' and ''a great couple,'' quipping that the former president should become an evangelist and allow ''his wife to run the country.''

Graham, 86, then launched into a short sermon that was interrupted by applause five times. Organizers estimated 80,000 people had come to the crusade at Flushing Meadows-Corona Park in Queens -- about 20,000 more than the opening night Friday. The rally ends Sunday.

The evangelist is suffering from fluid on the brain, prostate cancer and Parkinson's disease. He uses the walker due to a pelvic fracture and is largely confined to his home in Montreat, N.C. He had said previously that the rally ''will be the last in America, I'm sure.''

Despite his many ailments, he spoke strongly for about 15 minutes, in an address meant to appeal to young people. He peppered his speech with pop-culture references from Madonna to Bono to MTV. He wove a parable about bad decision-making from the plot of ''Star Wars: Episode III -- Revenge of the Sith,'' in which Anakin Skywalker becomes the villain Darth Vader.

''The decisions you make tonight will effect your whole future and your eternal future,'' he said, before inviting people forward to accept Christ.

Graham's son and successor, the Rev. Franklin Graham, sat nearby, ready to finish the speech in case his father could not. But Franklin Graham was needed only to help his father move onstage.

Seats began filling hours before the event began, as temperatures reached into the 90s. Speakers repeatedly encouraged people in the audience to drink water to avoid fainting. Graham waited to go on in an air-conditioned tent, with aides nearby in case of a medical emergency, and the stage was shaded by a massive canopy.

Graham's pulpit has a movable seat hidden from view, so he can sit if he feels unsteady. He used the seat Saturday only after he finished his sermon.

Graham is considering a request to hold a rally in November in London, but Franklin Graham said his father no longer adjusts well to time zone changes and does not like to be away from his wife, Ruth, who is also in ill health.

Graham has preached to more than 210 million people in 185 countries. He has been sought out by U.S. presidents and leaders worldwide and, more than any other religious figure, has come to represent the American evangelical movement.

Marie St. Louis, 34, who came to the event hours early Saturday with friends and family from her New York church, called the rally ''bittersweet'' because it was Graham's last in the United States.

''It's sad because he's such a legend,'' St. Louis said. ''When you think of Billy Graham, you think of a lot of things a Christian should be.''
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 11:29 AM
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16. Graham is a Democrat, and I think we should try to involve him more.
:)
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 12:23 PM
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20. I just checked and the old story with the Hillary and Bill quotes is in
my local RW Rag - The Cedar Rapids Gazette. I'll bet many of the Sunday papers carried the story as written last night.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 01:26 PM
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21. Wow! Thanks, Pirate. I'm feeling better about this.
Edited on Sun Jun-26-05 01:27 PM by DeepModem Mom
On edit: I guess we can just say Cheney the New York Times on this one.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 03:10 PM
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22. They did the same thing in their article re- the election on Nov. 3
As I quoted in an e-mail to a friend on Nov. 3,

"Per the New York Times, “surveys of voters leaving the polls . . . showed Mr. Kerry leading Mr. Bush by as much as 3 percentage points nationally.” Nonetheless, “ith 98 percent of the national vote reported as of 8 a.m. Eastern time , Mr. Bush was leading Mr. Kerry by a margin of 51 percent to 48 percent . . .”(http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/03/politics/campaign/04electcnd.html?hp&ex=1099544400&en=ba992171a995deaf&ei=5094&partner=homepage)).

--so those exit polls were off by as much as 6 percent. Is that an unusually large discrepancy?"

By the time my friend looked at the article, this information had been expunged from it.
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