I think we have reached a stage where he is going to self destruct like

[KlatooBNikto]

McCarthy.The DSM has started the ball rolling;from now on it is gathering force and it won't be very long before what Paul Krugman called the Moment of Revulsion arrives for the entire American people.

His address tuesday already promises to be a fiasco because we know exactly what he is going to say,"last throes", "resolve", "stay the course" and so on ad nauseam. He knows he is wounded, bleeding and the sharks are circling the water.Uncle Dick is safely tucked away in a hospital, probably feigning a heart attack like Himmler did during the last days of the Third Reich.Rumsfled is reduced to defending the dictionary definition of "last throes".BTW, I noticed I spelt Rummy's name as Rumsfled, that could very well come true when he flees from Bush.Condi can play the piano as the walls come tumbling down.It seems like Powell,the survivor, wisely chose his moment of exit.

I cannot even call this a tragedy of historic proportions except for the people who have lost their lives. There is simply no historic analogue for this epic march of folly.Someone has to invent a word to describe this entire ignoble episode in our history.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

1. People have been saying "he's going to fall apart" for a long time on DU.

Esp. during the campaign. Sadly I wish it would happen but am not holding breath.

[PST]

4. I agree. over 40% of people still support him

even after all the fuck ups

[KlatooBNikto]

8. They are simply people who don't want him to take the country down

with him.When they hear his speech with its tiresome repetitions, his callousness toward the soldiers and civilians and his arrogant refusal to admit his mistakes, that support, which is a mile wide and inches deep will evaporate.

[Maddy McCall]

10. Yes.

I don't think he will be impeached (although I wish he would be) but he will leave office as the most unpopular president in American history.

[KlatooBNikto]

15. My take on this is that the DSM which is written proof of his lies has

materially affected the perception of the public that he is a straight shooter and therein lies his panic. They are asking themselves if he can send soldiers to their death based on his lies, what else has he lied about? 9/11 ,for instance. He is extremely worried that his carefully constructed Potemkin Village is now coming apart.

[Maddy McCall]

16. Lately, I've heard more mainstream chatter about...

the possibility that the 9/11 tragedy is fishy and that this administration may have had something to do with it. And I live in MISSISSIPPI! :shrug: Yes, questions are being raised by the old party faithful.

[Maddy McCall]

9. He has the lowest approval rating of any president in June after...

reelection to second term, EXCEPT for Nixon.

At this point in time, Clinton even had over 60% approval rating. Having this low of an approval rating at this point in the presidential term is unheard of--again, except for Nixon.

[PST]

18. I'm just saying he couldn't have done things much worse

and still 40% likes him. imo this will jump to over 50% if the economy somehow picks up.

[Maddy McCall]

23. I think it's the war.

Communities are having their dead boys and girls shipped home. The war is starting to affect people on a personal level.

But, you're right. As long as gas prices are over $2.50/G, he will remain an unpopular president.

[Vincardog]

25. WE need to commission a real poll. The Bu$hBots are no where near 40%

[Jara sang]

35. I don't know about that

I'm starting to run into Repubs that don't support him.

[Zorbuddha]

63. According to polls

Actual mileage may vary.

[corbett]

5. KKKarl Holds It Together

Until he is out of the picture, the shrub will be insulated from the truth and the echo chamber will remain engaged. Try this:

http://www.johnkerry.com/petition/rove.php

[ailsagirl]

59. I think it's safer to say that chimp has started his decline...

How long it will take for him to leave office is anyone's
guess. There are still a lot of unknowns (e.g., will there
be a mass exodus of support from repugs when they finally
realize their name is mudd; will the media wake up; will
more damning facts about bushco emerge, etc.).

He may make it until his term ends :( but then again,
anything can happen.

[BeHereNow]

2. The word is:

FUBAR.
This period of American history shall
ever more be known as the FUBAR period.

Great post btw...
BHN

[Maddy McCall]

3. I said the same thing last week..that even moderate Republicans...

are becoming repulsed by the Bush admin. I was attacked by another DUer for daring to see reason in the minds of some Republicans, but, I reiterate, there are indeed Republicans who despise Bush. I met one last week--while I was sitting by the hotel pool.

An older gentleman, retired from the National Guard, was watching his grandchild swim, and we started talking about the Klansman trial. Before I knew it, the conversation had completely evolved to a discussion of politics. He said that he is a Republican (from Alabama!) who hates Bush for this war. He said that it's America's second Vietnam, and that he KNEW it was, because he served two tours in Vietnam.

He said he didn't vote for Bush in 2004, and won't support any Republican in 2008.

This war is going to bring Bush down. If the poster who called me an idiot before wants to say it again, go ahead. But, we shall see, by year's end.

Edit: And I rec'd this thread. Love the OP.

[whalerider55]

12. MMc

You aren't an idiot. there are republicans who despise Bush; they are starting to wake up to the fact that with the Bushes, it was never about political parties- it was and always has been about making money and protecting their ability to do so. they mony-laundered for Nazi's, they traded with and encouraged dictators and terrorist nations to protect their monet interests. The republicans were a means to end and the most logical choice for them to ride into the ground; by selling the republican parrty to the right wing fring they were able to throw a series of red-meat wedge issues at pug moderates.

i'm just not sure they've shot the wad or jumped the shark yet, despite their apparent panic.

we'll see.

whalerider

[donco6]

6. Drinking Game!

Everyone get your drinking game rules set up and ready for Tuesday night. "Last Throes" "Resolve" "Cut and Run" "Stay the Course" "God" - Man, we're gonna be drunk on our asses.

[Botany]

13. Also watch to see if * pats his air dog.

the man is going down ..... I feel it

[DoYouEverWonder]

34. I just want to watch him do it on prime time TV

Like Humphrey Bogart's Captain Quig(sp?) at the end of the movie when he's on trial and he totally loses it. Just like that.

[charlyvi]

47. Let's send him some Captain McQueeg steel balls

to roll. I will avoid the obvious joke.

[lfairban]

55. The Caine Mutiny (1954)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046816/


Humphrey Bogart .... Lt. Cmdr. Philip Francis Queeg

As I recall, he kept playing with his balls while undergoing cross examination.

[KlatooBNikto]

17. You forgot "Killers" "terraists","Nucular".

[donco6]

20. Feel free to add more.

I'm sure we'll hear them all.

[POAS]

30. freedom on the march

[madeline_con]

62. "Nucular".

Priceless!!!!!

:toast:

[Ready2Snap]

27. I'm choosing "9/11"

I plan on passing out 15 minutes into the speech.

[donco6]

33. We have to add the nonverbals, too.

The pregnant pause (shot)
The earnest lean-in, with audience scan (double shot)
The dumbass look (kegger)

[bunny planet]

49. Take a drink every time he mentions the word freedom in one of his phony,

jingoistic banality of evil sentences and you'll be shitfaced drunk within the first 5 minutes.

He is such a disgrace.

[Nay]

57. If I could stand to listen to * speak, I'd make bingo cards for the

speech.

[lenidog]

7. Klatoo I wholeheartedly support your and share you hope

If I had a dime for every thread that said the end was near, this is the smoking gun, the sharks smell blood, etc, etc, since just before the election and then donated all those dimes to DU we never need a fund drive again.

[Maddy McCall]

11. He won't be impeached, he won't vacate office...

but he will ruin the Republicans' chance in 2008.

[lenidog]

14. I think you are right what we have to do is make sure we don't

ruin our chances in 2008.

[Ready2Snap]

36. He can be impeached

if we take back the House and the Senate in '06,
and more and more that's looking to actually be possible.

I believe several Dems are already drawing up
articles of impeachment to introduce at the beginning of the 2007 Congress.

[bunny planet]

50. I frankly want him impeached well before the 2006 elections. If he remains

in office until 2008, even if a Democratic candidate wins, he or she will inherit Bushworld and be blamed for everything that goes down thereafter. 2006 won't work out for us if he's still in power and has the vapor not paper machines at his disposal. He needs to go now. All it will take is Republicans that despise the neocons and Rumsfeld's Pentagon and some military to step off of supporting him, and Delay's removal (that's a key lynchpin imho), to start a chain reaction. Republicans will impeach him to save their party once he becomes a liability, hell he already is a liability.

I think soldiers booing him and him cracking up on national television is the dream scenario. Probably can't happen but it's my new fantasy.

[BrklynLiberal]

19. I hope their heads all explode like in that sci-fi movie...

[donco6]

21. Mars Attacks!

Great flick.

[BrklynLiberal]

44. There were head explosions in that one too, but this one had human head

explosions from the inside.

[deacon2]

38. Scanners!

One of my favorite recurring nightmares for the neo-cons. I think Cheney's "accountability" moment will be in his chest. But I can still visualize the rest of these criminals doing the big "spew" on national t.v. They're all off the talking points lately, which indicates interior disorder, disagreement or just general "dissing" going on. The "dis"cipline is breaking down. Next breakdown - their skulls.

[BrklynLiberal]

43. That's the one. I could not come up with the name of it!!!

I kept coming up with SCREAMERS, but when I looked it up, it was the wrong movie. Thanks for the memory jog.

Cronenberg! I should have known.
imdb.com:

There are 4 billion people on earth. 237 are Scanners. They have the most terrifying powers ever created... and they are winning.

Their thoughts can kill!

10 Seconds: The Pain Begins. 15 Seconds: You Can't Breathe. 20 Seconds: You Explode.

Darryl Revok is the most powerful of all the scanners, and is the head of the underground scanner movement for world domination. Scanners have great psychic power, strong enough to control minds; they can inflict enormous pain/damage on their victims. Doctor Paul Ruth finds a scanner that Revok hasn't, and converts him to their cause - to destroy the underground movement.

[DisassemblingHisLies]

22. This total disaster cannot go on forever.

They're finally on the hot seat. When Rove has to come out for damage control - only to make their image worse - you know they're worried. I'm loving it.

[Cocoa]

24. Tom Delay might go first

public drunkenness is not a good harbinger of the bugman's political future...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3945014

[welshTerrier2]

26. heir apparent ??

first, bush is definitely a dead, lame duck ... but let's not rejoice prematurely ...

why not? because it is not at all clear to me that Democrats, who should be the heirs apparent to bush's demise, will actually gain in political popularity using their current political strategy ...

the strategy has clearly been to just get out of bush's way and make him own his own failures ... the belief seems to be that if Democrats either stood in opposition or presented their own views, bush could easily state that while his policies may have failed, the Democrats' approach would have been worse ... absent a Democratic approach, that little game is not really a possibility ...

so bush will continue to decline ...

but who is looking more like the real heroes today? Dean? Durbin? Reid? ... i don't think so at all ... is some of that caused by a hideous MSM? sure it is ... but whatever the cause, I don't believe Democrats are making the kinds of gains they should be given bush's colossal demise ... so again, who "looks like" the real heroes today? i think it may well be Lindsay Graham, Hegel, Snowe, Collins (and maybe McCain) and others who have stood up, at least to some degree, to the tyranny in their own party ...

as a political strategy, the Democrats "rope a dope", lay low strategy may be working great in the short-term ... but i am very worried that the Democratic Party has failed to demonstrate any leadership at all ... eventually, and it needs to happen soon if we are going to do as well as we should do in 2006, the Party has to layout real solutions to the nation's problems ... we will not succeed if we again allow our candidates to define their individual views without having those views tie-in to a longer-term vision for the country that eminates as main themes from the Party itself ...

and one of the most critical areas that will hurt Democrats in 2006 and 2008 is foreign policy ... just at a time where bush is clearly flailing about in Iraq, Democrats not only support bush's continued occupation, but some have warned about both Syria and Iran ... maybe instead of warning about other countries in the region, Democrats should talk to the American people about how we can avoid an expanded war ... Democrats have been way too fearful about being labeled soft on defense ... the American people are tired of fighting a never-ending war ... the politically savvy thing to do is to show us the path to PEACE and not how macho Democrats can be ... that's the kind of leadership that will win elections ...

bush is going down; it's just not clear who the ultimate heir apparent will be ...

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

32. I agree with this post. Dems as a party are still to afraid of being

painted by the Repubs as this or that. Since they are WAY out of power and have in my view nothing to lose this is poor strategy, or lack of it.

[KlatooBNikto]

39. Thank you for a very perceptive post. I agree with most of your

conclusions but want to add that the Democrats's spinelessness is attributable to their allowing the Trojan Horses of the DLC to drive their response to Republican tyranny.As a result, they took the safe route out, pretending that Bush was leading the way in a "just war" against the terrorists and muted their criticisms lest they be perceived as , what else,"soft on Terror". Their spinelessness made them lose a historic opportunity to be perceived as standing up against abuses of our Constitution, like Senator Byrd did.

What can one say about this crowd? They simply lack courage, the quality Winston Churchill identified as the Mother of all other Qualities in a leader.

[Raksha]

41. That's precisely why Rove made his stupid remark last week.

Re >>Democrats have been way too fearful about being labeled soft on defense ... the American people are tired of fighting a never-ending war ... the politically savvy thing to do is to show us the path to PEACE and not how macho Democrats can be ... that's the kind of leadership that will win elections ...<<

It wasn't just that Rove was using the old Republican trick of defining the Democrats as "soft on terrorism" (or soft on crime, soft on Communism--it's always the same old trick, with suitable variations depending on the decade). It was also an attempt to manipulate us into a defensive position where we'd have to try to out-macho the Repukes, thus heading off ANY discussion of a reasonable and viable peace plan.

Then they can say "the Democrats don't have any ideas" except opposition to BushCo!

[phillysuse]

56. The Democrats need some starch and a spine - Clark is the one

I agree that the Democrats need some starch and need to
stop caving in to Rove - i.e. Durbin apologizing, Clinton,
Kerry etc supporting the war.

We need a Dem who supports Dean, who supports other Dems and
who calls the shots like he sees them.

We need a Dem with starch.

Wes Clark has starch.

[kaitykaity]

28. I want to believe that you are right.

That we have finally reached the tipping point.

Maybe it had to be a combination of things all building
up to this moment.

It sure does seem like the whole apparatus is starting
to crack, from their dogged defense of Cheney's stupid
"last throes" comment to the fire Rove is taking for his
first appearance in public in my memory to DeLay's appearance
drunk the other night.

These are not the same in control, arrogant people
who have been running roughshod over us for these past
five years.

[Ready2Snap]

29. Howabout calling it

The Iraqoning.

[snot]

31. I think Bush has become the fall guy for the Repubs . . .

I mean, they don't want an impeachment or anything heinous proved in such a way as to rub off on other Repubs; but I expect, marketing-wise, their next Pres'l candidate will appear clearly distinguished from poor old Bush . . .

Strategically, we and the DNC should be focusing not just on Bush and his immediate circle, but on making sure that ALL Repubs are seen to bear responsibility for the variously unfolding horrors.

[Ready2Snap]

42. The poor Pepug House members

who ran in '04 as steadfastly behind Bush's messianic vision, and revere Rove like a god,
are already running away from Bush like roaches when the lights come on.

And it's only gonna get worse for anyone who continues to stand next to him.
One thing a politician can smell a mile away is failure,
and those guys are scared he'll drag them down with him.

They also see DeLay sinking in his own quicksand, and after the Bolton confirmation debacle,
Frist is now roundly perceived to be Bush's lapdog, so the leadership of the party
is anathema to Repugs continuing as the majority in Congress.

I don't see "Happy days are here again" being played much during the coming election cycle.

[hvn_nbr_2]

37. One quibble, about Powell

Powell,the survivor, wisely chose his moment of exit.

I would say that if Powell had chosen wisely, he would have exited just before the UN speech that forever branded him a lying accomplice and destroyed the good will and respect that he'd built up over many years.

[KlatooBNikto]

40. I was thinking of a word that said he chose an opportune moment.

Sorry I attributed a quality like Wisdom to any of this gang of thieves and liars.

[Ready2Snap]

46. Powell's failure

stems from his choosing loyalty over reason.

He warned Bush- The Pottery Barn Rule.
The Powell Doctrine was completely ignored by the chickenhawks that planned the whole mess.
And still he stayed!!
And why he did that U.N. song and dance completely baffles me.

What did he think he would accomplish except to act as cover for a cabal of greedy liars.
He should have resigned before the invasion started. It may have shaken Bush just enough
to take another look at what he was about to step in.

Powell is a tragic figure, and the only one in this play worthy of our pity.

[salin]

52. No, loyalty over duty

his duty was to the country, not to bushjr.

[salin]

53. for the very reason you state - I have no pity

he has paraded around for years as a hero (conveniently forgetting his role in covering up Mai Lai) - and when he had the chance to be a hero - granted a tragic one that would suffer short term vilification - he didn't. As the truth becomes more widely understood and accepted - he will be forever viewed as an accomplish for that decietful act before the UN and the US and the role it played to make the tragedy unfurl.

[bunny planet]

54. I might have still felt that way about him until I saw him on the Daily

Show two weeks ago lying and shilling away as usual. He is one of them afterall, not a tragic figure. He made his choices and they weren't honorable ones.

[hvn_nbr_2]

58. He chose loyalty to a president over loyalty to his country and to...

the truth.

[salin]

51. I agree - he knew the speech was bogus

where he really committed to this country, he would have refused to do the speech and resigned that morning. That would have been serving his country. It was HIS credibility giving that speech that bought support. It would have been a huge mess for bushco to try to explain such a powerful departure at such an important time. Would have slowed everything down and UN inspectors would have had more time on the ground. More time on the ground - harder to explain no find - harder to keep the american people rallied behind an impending invasion. Powell played his role in history - and to his dishonor there will be a picture of him pointing to bogus photographs or using a vial to suggest bogus chemical weapons. Hack.

[The Backlash Cometh]

45. It's time to start talking about War renumeration.

My vote is for Halliburton to liquidate all of its assets and give it all to Iraq in one tidy sum. How they dispense with it is their business. We walk away, allowed to flog our own for being stupid, stupid, stupid!

[lala_rawraw]

48. We need not invent a word, there is one

and it starts with a big FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[madeline_con]

60. ".... and so on ad nauseam..."

And lots of other redundant shit.

When he gets on that kick where he starts every sentence with a phrase like..."America is safer blah blah blah..." :puke:

[anarchy1999]

61. Yes, dear there is another moment in time, "the fall of the Roman Empire".

There is a very historic analogue for this moment. Do not let yourself be deceived or fooled into beleiving such nonsense. Peace.

The words have been invented already, fascism. Sorry.

[earth mom]

64. The word has already been invented. And it is...

HELL on Earth!

:grr: