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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 07:58 PM
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Cheney Slanders Hagel: Worse Than You Think (from DailyKos)
The Bush Administration's effort to silence Iraq critics by rewriting the history of 9/11 has reached new levels of desparation.

On national television, Republican Vice President Dick Cheney resorted to slander -- yes, outright slander -- when responding to Republican Senator Chuck Hagel, who recently criticized the Administration's handling of Iraq.

Here's what Cheney said this week on CNN in response to Hagel's Iraq comments:
Since 9/11, we've had people like Chuck Hagel and other politicians and we've had people in the press corps and commentators who've said we can't do Afghanistan.


(For video, go here http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/23/cheney.interview/index.html and click on link to Part I of the Cheney interview. When the video box comes up, click on "More Politics Video" and open Part II of the interview. The quote comes slighly less than halfway through Part II).

Cheney then proceeded to go through various things that were accomplished in Afghanistan, and said that the doubters "were all wrong." In the course of his discussion of Afghanistan, the only two people named by Cheney were Hagel and New York Times writer R.W. Apple.

Cheney then turned to Iraq, and went through a similar argument about how the Administration's successes have repeatedly proven the doubters wrong.

Cheney finished his discussion with this quote:
got a lot of people in it who were armchair quarterbacks or who like to comment on the passing scene. But those who have predicted the demise of our efforts since 9/11 -- as we have fought the war on terror, as we have liberated 50 million people in Iraq and Afghanistan -- did not know what they were talking about .


In its write-up http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/23/cheney.interview/index.html of the Cheney interview, CNN.com focuses on this last statement when discussing Cheney's response to Hagel. And it is indeed noteworthy that Dick "Five Deferments" Cheney would deride the highly decorated Hagel as an "armchair quarterback" who does not know what he is talking about.

But it is infinitely more noteworthy -- and legally significant -- that Cheney would begin his response to Hagel's comments by falsely accusing him of saying "we can't do Afghanistan."

Here's what Hagel actually said after the war in Afghanistan began:

I think the objectives that the President laid out a few days ago are being completed and fulfilled . You noted the briefing that the House and Senate had today. Part of those briefings consisted of the results and the status of where we are.

So based on what I know, I think at least this initial phase of our military action has been successful, 100 per cent . I don't know if anything is ever 100 per cent in this business, but certainly they've done very well.


Cheney's characterization of Hagel's response to 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan is slander, pure and simple.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/26/18480/0163
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:00 PM
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1. Isn't Hagel on the Senate Intel Committee?
Hmmmmmmmmmmm.................maybe a Republican will join with the Dems for a DSM investigation.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:06 PM
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4. Their tactics are becoming very apparent. Any critics of Iraq or the
President will now be labeled as against responding after 9/11 - facts be damned - but really, when have facts ever gotten in BushCo's way when they want to smear someone.

Operation conflate Iraq and 9/11 begins again.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:18 PM
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11. Yes, he is - here are the members.
MEMBERSHIP

REPUBLICANS
Pat Roberts, Kansas
Orrin G. Hatch, Utah
Mike Dewine, Ohio
Christopher S. Bond, MO
Trent Lott, Mississippi
Olympia J. Snowe, Maine
Chuck Hagel, Nebraska
Saxby Chambliss, Georgia

DEMOCRATS
John D. Rockefeller IV, West Virginia
Carl Levin, Michigan
Dianne Feinstein, California
Ron Wyden, Oregon
Evan Bayh, Indiana
Barbara A. Mikulski, Maryland
Jon S. Corzine, New Jersey

Ex Officio Members

Bill Frist, Tennessee
Harry Reid, Nevada
John Warner, Virginia


http://intelligence.senate.gov/members.htm
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 02:14 PM
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32. Yes, he is
Edited on Mon Jun-27-05 02:14 PM by FreedomAngel82
I'm wondering why he's going after Hagel too. Did he not get the correct quote or did he and he's doing something on purpose?
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 02:16 PM
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33. Cheney? Isn't he the Fu*k you guy?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:02 PM
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2. Armchair quarterbacks? Cheney of all people really shouldn't go there. nt
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:02 PM
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3. Isn't Hagel a vet? (n/t)
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:09 PM
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5. Of course, aren't vets Bush, Cheney and Rove's favorite people to attack?
Edited on Sun Jun-26-05 08:20 PM by Pirate Smile
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Norbert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:10 PM
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6. A vet just like Kerry, McCain and Cleland
Idiot Cheney likes to deride the Vietnam vets. The chickenshit must have a complex.
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:16 PM
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10. Of course, Oily Dick had
"other prioroties" during 'Nam
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 02:38 AM
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19. Yep
and to Hagel's credit (and I rarely give repukes credit for anything), him and McCain defended Kerry during the election regarding Bush's remarks that Kerry would be weak on national security.

Hagel has been a fierce credit over the war for a while now. What pisses me off is that in the end he usually capitulates and votes in favor of the administration.

Hopefully this direct criticism by the administration (that too by the VP no less) will cause a greater rift.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:13 PM
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7. Evil + Insanity + Arrogance + Power=Cheney
The mathematics of fascism.
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Barad Simith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 02:55 AM
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20. self delete
Edited on Mon Jun-27-05 03:51 AM by Barad Simith
(perhaps that was a little extreme of me)
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:13 PM
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8. they could care less about what hagel says
he`s from a small state in the red zone that`s has nothing to offer the bush klan.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 09:21 PM
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16. Yes he does
He has shares in voting machines.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 02:17 PM
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34. Exactly
He has ties to the ES&S machine's and when he first ran he was losing in the local polls by a HUGE amount (I think like 19% or something like that was his support?) and then came the election. In his state there hadn't been a republican Senator for twenty-four previous years until he came along. 80% of his votes were counted on ES&S machine's. He came out with 60% and the appointent with 59% or something like that who was winning big time before. He also is a twenty year something friend of the Bush family. So him speaking out against Iraq is very big. He's also apart of Bilderberg I believe.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:15 PM
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9. "have liberated 50 million people in Iraq and Afghanistan"
of which around half are shooting at us, blowing themselves up just to screw with us, or yelling at us to get the hell out of their country. Damned ingrates!

What--you guys don't like liberation?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:21 PM
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13. Cheney is an evil Sociopath.
Here's hoping that Hagel will not bend over to this slander.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 09:52 PM
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17. Atrios has the equation for their new PR campaign.
"It's been obvious, but now it's 150% certain. The new strategy is criticism of iraq=criticism of afghanistan=support for taliban=support for al qaeda = cheering on crashing twin towers. "

http://atrios.blogspot.com/
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:19 PM
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12. This must mean Hagel AIN'T their guy in '08.
They must be wanting to run...JEB. GAAAAWD! Is THAT a horrid thought? :puke:
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:22 PM
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14. Cheney neds to shut his fucking pie-hole
and do something important, like check to see if his defib was under recall.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 08:23 PM
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15. More of the same from the BFEE
Lie, slander and demonize anyone who dares speak the truth. Jeez I hope Hagel slams Crashcart over this.

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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 02:31 AM
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18. Hagel is the man of the hour...
He's waking up to the corrupt schematics at work here. Cheney can slander him all he wants, that won't stop Hagel from speaking the truth.

Keep it up Chuck!!! Show them you got the backbone! :yourock:

Flood him with faxes and mail guys, http://www.usalone.com/index.htm
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 03:08 AM
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21. Hagel is a GOP darkhorse for '08. Watch this guy.
He's flown under the radar, but when public opinion turns against Bush & Co, Hagel takes advantage.

I don't trust him due to PC voting ties:

"DRE technology is one aspect of Squires’ “huge mallet,” and much of the concern over DRE has centered on ownership of the technology. The CEO of Diebold, the second largest voting machine company, is Ohio’s Walden O’Dell, an avid fundraiser for George W. Bush who, after attending a meeting of Bush’s fundraising “pioneers” and “rangers” at Bush’s Crawford, Texas, ranch, wrote a letter to potential fundraisers stating his commitment to “helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year.”

Likewise, the nation’s largest DRE company, Election Systems & Software (ESS), is owned by Michael McCarthy, campaign finance director for Nebraska’s Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel. Hagel, a former CEO and chairman of ESS, still held ESS shares even as his finance director’s voting machines tabulated the majority of Nebraska’s election, from which Hagel emerged victorious. "

http://www.everyweek.com/News/News.asp?no=3670
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 03:35 AM
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22. Hagel is the ES&S man....
But I doubt he'll try to run for pResident.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 02:20 PM
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36. Yep
I didn't know he was a former CEO and chairman of ES&S. ES&S is also a brother company (family related) to, guess who, Diebold. So if he's speaking out against Iraq it's for some purpose. For all we know him going up against Bush and Cheney could be political theatre. A lot of the Bilderberg group I last read (about two/three months ago) was against going into Iran. So they're up to something with Hagel I think. I think he's fighting to be supported by Bilderberg in 2008 instead of Frist or whomever else they may get. With Bilderberg's support he could be the nominee in 2008.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 03:54 AM
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23. The upside of being able to fix elections in your home state...
is that you can say what you feel. Right, Chuck?
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WhoWantsToBeOccupied Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:02 AM
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29. Funny and insightful
Yes, Hagel must feel more independence since he basically elects himself.
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 02:21 PM
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37. For the record
Nebraska doesn't (or at least hasn't) used electronic voting machines for anything but presedential elections.

Chuckie was elected on paper.

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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 02:39 AM
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40. San Francisco uses ES&S optical scan ballots. They're paper... I think the
ES&S tabulator is the big fixer of the elections.

Could Nebraska have used these optical scan ballots for Hagel's election?

Every place I've looked have pointed to him being elected on ES&S machines.
http://www.retrovsmetro.org/dividedtimes/archive/

Chuck Hagel, board chairman of the company that is now ES&S, won the 1996 Nebraska senatorial election in what a Nebraska newspaper called a "stunning upset." Nebraska's votes in the 1996 election and Hagel's 2002 reelection were counted by ES&S when Hagel still had a financial stake in the company.

As stated by Bob Fitrakis of The Free Press, "Wherever Diebold and ES&S go, irregularities and historic Republican upsets follow."
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LightningFlash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 02:57 AM
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41. Someone here was being interviewed...
They worked in the ES&S backroom and saw the insecure code. I think they have all the answers to this....
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 03:07 AM
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42. Good! I hope that means that we’re infiltrating their side too. n/t
:thumbsup:
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 03:58 AM
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24. The Republican, when cornered, is known for eating its own.
I think I heard that factoid on an old episode of Nature.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 04:59 AM
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25. So was this before or after Cheney's knee attack in Vail? n/t
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:34 AM
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26. Hagel has always seemed "on the fence" to me.
he's a "Wannabe-Democrat".
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 07:55 AM
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27. Me too: I like Chuck Hagel
Certainly like him more than that douchebag John McCain.

Oh, and Hagel actually served in ground combat in Vietnam.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:01 AM
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28. Hey Cheney is quite the expert on war !
Edited on Mon Jun-27-05 08:01 AM by tabasco
He watched "The Sands of Iwo Jima" and "The Battle of the Bulge" during those five deferments for other priorities.

I mean that qualiifies him as a military expert, doesn't it? :mad:

Hey Dick ! You're going to jail, azzhole !!
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 08:06 AM
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30. Maybe it was his "football injury"
that kept him from going.....
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 02:11 PM
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31. Swift Boat Vets Against Hagel will soon be appearing !
They're incapable of mentally processing the truth. So sad these Republican neocon kool-aid drinkers.
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spindoctor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 02:22 PM
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38. No shit!
too funny
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 02:17 PM
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35. Why did we go in to Afghanistan? To get Bin Laden. Did we?
No.

Then you HAVE failed, you traitorous coward.
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hnsez Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 12:01 AM
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39. Cheney would liberate 300 million if he would just die
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