Cheney's Dead?

[Cronus Protagonist]

What do you think? I think the announcement is about him dying today or being comatose or something like that.

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[tritsofme]

1. I missed this whole ordeal...

anyone want to fill me in?

[Cronus Protagonist]

4. Apparently his ticker tocked and he went to a cardiac unit

...no word on his condition and it's all a big SSSSHHHHHH (secret)... Now the speech on Tuesday, "of consequence" and all that... just connecting the dots.... and there are a lot in this.... post...

[tritsofme]

19. Well I hope

he is not in a persistent vegetative state...

[smirkymonkey]

77. You mean like his little puppet Georgie?

We can't have both of them in that kind of shape. }(

[mcctatas]

106. And they keep him on a feeding tube for 15 years. n/t

[Richard Steele]

38. My theory:

[radfringe]

29. in a nutshell

if Cheney is dead or incapacitated it means bush* is president...
:scared:

[mdelaguna2000]

34. hilarious.. no wait - alarming n/t

[DistressedAmerican]

43. Took My Post!

[Lone_Wolf]

98. Like Darth Vader he is part machine... We could call him Darth Dick.

n't

[conflictgirl]

110. My 7 year old calls him Darth Cheney. nt

nt

[brainshrub]

65. That is so painfully true.

[Theres-a]

71. Nice.

:thumbsup:

[tavalon]

33. Knee attack n/t

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

51. Torn heartliage in the meniscus?

:shrug:

[Zorbuddha]

66. Dick Cheney was born dead.

They're just now figuring it out.

[Cronus Protagonist]

85. Well, that's true, but the Devil lets him walk on the earth

...maybe he's the Devil's equivalent of Jesus?

:(

[Zorbuddha]

104. He's wildly popular

with the walking dead.

[Cronus Protagonist]

2. Oh, and Arnold's going to be appointed VP

You heard it here first. :)

:rofl:

[alittlelark]

6. That is the only way the Gropenator will ever hold another office

His poll numbers here are lower than the shrubs.

[fooj]

82. Amen to that, lark! From one Californian to another!

peace.

[Spider Jerusalem]

8. Not until they amend the Constitution...

foreign-born citizens aren't eligible for the Presidency OR Vice-Presidency. If Cheney croaks, Condi's probably going to get kicked upstairs.

[madeline_con]

24. I heard...

they're working on it.

I've heard something to support every hare-branined (sorry, Bugs) scheme they come up with.

[CBGLuthier]

57. Not true

The constitution says absolutely nothing about the VP being natural born.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.



Now, of course, logically, you would want a VP who could be eligible to be president but there is no requirement. If we did have a foreign born VP, he would just have to be passed over if succession came about.

[GiovanniC]

68. The 12th Amendment

Part of it reads, "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

And a foreign-born citizen is constitutionally ineligible to the office of President, therefore...

[CBGLuthier]

70. OK, thanks, sorry for the mistake.

Damn, knew I should have checked the amendments. :-)

[Roland99]

80. Nope...it would be Giuliani.

[Walt Starr]

46. He can't be appointed VP

He doesn't meet the rquirements to be president, thus he cannot be appointed Veep.

[insane_cratic_gal]

99. Nope Bolton

will be the new vp

He has to get him appointed to something!

[AntiCoup2K4]

115. He's ineligible

Can't be VP if the Constitution says he can't be Prez.

[rooboy]

3. According to www.isdickcheneydeadyet.com, the answer is no. n/t

[BrotherBuzz]

7. LOL!! I want a second opinion!!

And not Dr Frist's, either! :)

[madeline_con]

25. I second that!

Frist can view the bedside video and let us know... :rofl:

[alittlelark]

5. They sure as shit need SOMETHING....

The Iraq torture pic's/vid's are coming out. b*sh's polls are in the dirt, the 'Downing Street Minutes' aren't going away as planned, the Iraq war REEKS of Vietnam........

Hey, a new VP... 24-7 coverage for WEEKS - or even more.

He doesn't even have to really die. They can just kill a 'double'.

[brettdale]

18. agree 100 %

This will blow all other stories out of the water, The Iraq torture pics, Bu*h's poll numbers, the DSM.

Would it beyond the repugs to say hes died? or is that just crazy talk?

[madeline_con]

26. "They can just kill a 'double' "

EGADS! There's a clone of that clown somewhere???!!! :wow:

[tavalon]

35. That's how it works in totalitarian regimes

You didn't know that? ;)

[Mich Otter]

56. Ever notice how much all reptiles look alike? eom

[Pab Sungenis]

50. And then....

...they can make a dead Cheney take the fall for everything, just like Reagan and his cohorts did with Bill Casey and Iran/Contra.

[LightningFlash]

9. His heart failure problem certainly contributed....

He was in the hospital and it seems he's still there. Lying all the time for your own greed isn't good on the health...

[CoffeeCat]

10. I wouldn't be surprised...

...if BushCo orchestrated a Cheney exit and a new VP.

They're tanking.

Who would it be, though?

McCain? Rice? Jeb?

It would be a brilliant political move to put in a place a very popular Republican in the VP slot. Then, that VP could run for president. That's the only way I see them having a snowball's chance in hell shot at winning more than 10 votes in 08.

[lazarus]

13. their problem

is that there aren't any very popular Republicans. Not anymore.

[CoffeeCat]

That's why I thought of McCain...

...he's semi popular. Plus he's been jockeying for SOME KIND OF position these past few months. Especially with that "compromise" he so blatantly organized on the judges. McCain even contradicted Cheney's opinion about the insurgency being "in its last throes."

If McCain was the VP--it would help Bush's numbers. Bush would be viewed as more of a centrist and McCain's views would appeal to more Independents. The administration would get a bump from it.

I'm not saying it's going to happen.

It is interesting to ponder, though.

You never know what these rat bastards will do next.

[anitar1]

32. Well, McCain and Shrub did excange a big kiss

if I recall correctly. McCain was hanging on to him tightly, it appeared.

[Me.]

62. Well If Kisses Are The Criteria Too Becoming Veep

That puts Joementum in the running.

[SophieZ]

81. unpopular Republican candidates + electronic machines = R victories.

All they have to do is tell the media to sell it that they won, after they hack the machines.

[tavalon]

36. Cheney is the President

The figurehead isn't going to topple him.

[helderheid]

79. Jeb

Gotta keep it in the family. My mom was speculating on this too.

[Auntie Bush]

83. Since my brother and sister would give him two...maybe he'll get 12..

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[norml]

12. Cheney is in his last throws.

As is his administration.

[madeline_con]

27. " in his last throws.."

I wonder if his will be very violent? :nopity:

[tavalon]

37. I wonder if we can throw them far enough

to land near the Hague?

[Spinzonner]

41. Well, he sure can toss the crap

but I assume you meant "throes", just like the insurgency

[norml]

84. "throes" That's a funny word. I should've checked on it first.

I just assumed it was spelled the other way. Thanks for the correction! And yes that's what I meant.

[madeline_con]

95. I was going to say something...

but some people get hurt if they're corrected. Someone stepped up to the plate where I was chicken, so all is well. :)

[Swamp Rat]

14. He's flying around in his space ship, poised to strike!

:D

[funflower]

15. Didn't we have the Dick died discussion about 2-3 weeks ago?

:spray:

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[funflower]

113. Oh, brother. I can only imagine what got deleted here.

:eyes:

[yurbud]

16. even if Cheney died, they'd keep his brain alive in a jar so he could...

run the country.

Hillbilly Hitler art:



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[fujiyama]

17. Or his head in a bottle

a la Futurama:

[yurbud]

54. he looks like he's been gone since the Nixon administration

Like the undead that's figured out how to speak, but not mimic human emotions.

Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:

[Up2Late]

20. NOoooooooooo!, You can kill the Already dead, he'll never die.

Seriously, I think that would make the news, It hasn't. AaRrg! Must eat brains!

[Beam Me Up]

21. I have to NOMINATE this thread. It truly is a work of art.

:rofl:

[Swamp Rat]

22. Check out my new "Cheney" animation:

[KlatooBNikto]

23. This sentire thread is too morbid for my taste.But that doesn't mean you

should stop it.Keep it coming!

[madeline_con]

28. Hey!

Do I know you? Did you used to be a Greek philosopher somewhere else?
(I'll never tell)

[Swamp Rat]

30. Very likely

But I'm sure I made a "fat senator" joke and got kicked out of Athens. :D

[pinniped]

39. If the dark skies are gone, you know what's up.

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[0007]

40. I want Richard Cheney alive and well at the Hague War Criminal Trial

[WePurrsevere]

49. Agreed... besides it would detract from the DSM &

all the other new evidence and soon to be released "new" prison torture pics.

[zanne]

58. I'm with you, 0007.

Most war criminals escape punishment, one way or another. I think this administration should face a jury, sooner rather than later.

[insane_cratic_gal]

101. We can keep him alive

against his wishes.. Just take an act of congress, hell they did it for Terry and she didn't want it!

Forcible feeding tube, and life support.

[Pachamama]

111. And show him on TV in his robe drooling...

Show him the same "dignity" given to Terri Schiavo....

[LynnTheDem]

42. Yer just trying to cheer me up.

On a Monday morning.

[shadowknows69]

44. Here's another cheery thought.

Cheney's was just in getting his pre-disaster shots and he headed to the bunker for the next MIHOP. Tin foil hat off now.

[Catfight]

45. The next CNN worthless poll: Should Dick Cheney be pronounced dead? nt

[Lex]

47. LOL!

Now that was good. And just about right for (stupid) CNN.

[zinndependence]

108. hahahahahaha

I hate to admit it....when I read the original message, I got a little excited....

[deutsey]

48. Rumor has it Van Helsing was seen in the vicinity and he

was missing one of his wooden stakes.

[Mythsaje]

52. Rumor has it...

...that Buffy's 'Mr. Pointy' was seen in the vicinity of a large pile of ashes very close to where the VP was last spotted.

[kansasblue]

53. If he was then Fox will play state funeral music for hours

(USSR reference) joke

[Poiuyt]

61. LOL!

[Kazak]

55. If so,...

NOW is the time to impeach!!

[Bridget Burke]

59. "How can they tell?"

Credits to Dorothy Parker, who said it about Calvin Coolidge.

She was always eager to give credit to others:

If, with the literate, I am
Impelled to make an epigram,
I never seek to take the credit;
We all assume that Oscar said it.

[LibDemAlways]

60. If true, I'll have the same reaction the Munchkins did

when they learned of the demise of the WW of the East.

[Lone_Wolf]

96. We could all sing "Ding Dong the Dick is Dead......."

Sorry I couldn't resist.

Actually, I hope he's alive long enough so that he can stand trial for war crimes.

[tk2kewl]

63. Bush will claim he was poisoned by Iranian Ayatollahs

and we march right in

[brainshrub]

64. God-Dammit, this is exactly like what the Soviets used to do.

I'm pissed. The health of the Vice President is hardly a state-secret. Does anyone seriously think that "The Terrorists" are waiting in the shadows for Cheney to die before they attack?

If the VP is sick: The people of the US have a right to know about this promptly. FDR was in a wheel-chair and he was one of the greatest presidents we ever had; Surely the Republic will survive if Cheney is disabled.

[Tinoire]

67. When you have nothing nice to say, say nothing

So I sit here wonderfully silent.

[spinbaby]

69. Last photo of him was on the 21st.

I did some searching for Cheney photos on news sites--if he were fine, we'd be seeing pictures of him. The most recent photo I found was taken on the 21st--six days ago. When was he supposedly put into the hospital?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050621/480/whre20106212156

[Laughing Mirror]

72. I'm starting to get really worried!

Last AP reference to Cheney shows picture of limousine, but no Cheney.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050623/480/whcd10906231623

Ibrahim al-Jaafari's motorcade flies the Iraqi and U.S. flags as it is parked outside the West Wing of the White House shortly after al-Jaafari arrived for closed meetings with National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley and Vice President Dick Cheney Thursday, June 23, 2005 in Washington. Iraq's prime minister reviewed strategy with President Bush's top advisers Thursday amid growing pressure on the White House to bring troops home from a war that has cost the lives of more than 1,700 U.S. troops. He will meet with Bush on Friday. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)

[BlueStateBlue]

78. Friday, I think. n/t

[jmowreader]

73. Jim's wild-ass guess

The Republicans have two choices: long-range planning or short-range planning.

In your case, long-range planning is like putting that four grand into your retirement account instead of that plasma television.

In the Republicans' case, it's what to do with this administration. Bush's approval ratings are so far in the hole they're starting to head toward his base numbers--that 30 percent of voters who would stick with Bush even if they found both a dead girl and a live boy in his bed. He's starting to exhibit the negative coattails I spoke so frequently of last year--his going down and dragging Republican congressmen and senators with him.

Here's what I think is going to happen:

1) They'll declare Cheney incapable of carrying out his duties. The Constitution says a president--and, by extension, a vice-president--has to be replaced when he cannot carry out his duties. This saves them the trouble of either making some shit up about his death or of actually shooting him, and it still gets him out of the chain of succession.

2) Here's where the long-range/short-range planning issue comes in. At this point we need a new VP, and they can go two ways. Long-range planning says bring in a telegenic, likable Republican from somewhere. It can't be a congressman because we could always pull out a Contract-on-America style election campaign next year and pull many seats from the GOP, and they need to maintain all of the Republicans they have over there. It can't be a standard Republican senator for the same reason. It won't be a moderate Republican because Bush hates those people. Hence, it's going to be someone like a governor, maybe a large-city mayor--not the mayor of New York, who is a the GOP's biggest limousine liberal, and not the mayor of Dallas, who really is a liberal. This person stands as VP until 7/10/2005, at which point Bush announces that he's not a crook and flees the country. Short-range planning puts Tom DeLay or Catkiller Frist in as VP as kind of a Danny Quayle insurance policy--if anything happens to Dubya, look what replaces him. (Incredibly short-range planning puts DeLay into Cheney's seat then removes Bush in a Soviet-style accident...oh, someone rigs the steering and brakes in his pickup to fail then sends him out to drive around his ranch, or has him go to Iraq to "cheer up the troops" but arranges for insurgents to shoot down Air Force One. Unfortunately for them, that really would cheer up the troops.)

3) Assume they're not stupid enough to install DeLay then ice Bush, or to install DeLay and leave Bush as the figurehead that he is. If Bill White, the mayor of Houston, replaces Cheney then Bush, he will do very well to do whatever it takes to turn Iraq into a market-based economy with a volunteer army. If given a timetable (atrocities stop this instant, people who committed them will be thrown into Iraqi jails by the end of the week, Iraqis sent to American business, government and military schools starting in September, Arabic-speaking drill sergeants sent to Iraq by the end of January, troops start being withdrawn in February, complete turnover in 2010) and we STICK to it, the civil war can be averted.

[pgh_dem]

74. You'll know when Mount Doom blows up... n/t

[Maraya1969]

75. No he's just giving up politics and going into real estate.

(so sorry for the pitiful joke)

[lolly]

76. He Can't Appoint a Charismatic Republican

As VP.

Leaving aside the standard reply that there ARE no charismatic Republicans these days--

AWOL absolutely CAN'T ABIDE anyone taking any of the spotlight off of himself. He would pitch a major hissy-fit if he appointed McCain, and everybody started talking about McCain. He'd have to start viciously insulting McCain (all in fun, of course . . .) to put him in his place.

On second thought, he's already done that, and McCain still slurps it up.

[0007]

86. bttft

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[libodem]

87. the only thing better than his sudden death

would be a long slow deterioration on a vent with a feeding tube...they can keep your corpse alive for years, possibly suffering ...with no way to tell anyone to make it stop. We can only hope his next of kin are as self-absorbed as Terry Shiveos, parents were.

[Bouncy Ball]

88. Uh, can I vote for this?

The long, slow thing? I mean, after all, they wanted to keep poor Terri Schiavo's body alive for an indefinite time!

[Cronus Protagonist]

89. Yeah, can we vote for this?

Not that it would count anyway...

[Cocoa]

90. so who becomes President now?

[helderheid]

91. Jeb

[KaliTracy]

92. What Happened? I've been peeking on and off at CNN and Yahoo headlines

most of the day, and saw nothing about him going into the drs. or hospital or whatnot.

edit spelling

[ailsagirl]

94. Here's one of the threads started a few days ago...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3945127&mesg_id=3945127

[KaliTracy]

102. thanks, I was out of town for 5 days without media or Internet access.

appreciate the catch-up. :)

[ailsagirl]

114. Five days without media or internet access sounds great

about now. This is being written shortly after Chimpo
disgorged his swill Tuesday evening.

Revolting.

[GeekMonkey]

93. And they say evil never dies

[Snotcicles]

97. He ain't dead he's on that island where all that KBR money is stashed n/t

[the_spectator]

100. Oh they'll tell us when he dies -

Not only will they be able to pick a new VP, but they'll be able to do another "Reagan Week!" Well, maybe for Cheney, not quite a week. Maybe a "Cheney Four-Day Weekend" -- lying in State under the Rotunda, many speeches with some decorous tears shed, flying his body back out to high Wyoming, to be buried perhaps on some Western-facing mountainside in the sunset (a la the Pacific burial for Ronnie!)

[linazelle]

103. No they won't, they admit nothing!

:silly:

[BrightKnight]

112. Halliburton replaced Cheney a couple of years ago.

Like Saddam Hussein, they are keeping several doubles in undisclosed locations.

This explains why he is so cartoon like. He is a just a bad actor trying to convince everyone that he really is Cheney.

[jokerman93]

105. Cheney will never die

He's been recalled to his home planet for scheduled maintenance.

;-)

[Lars39]

107. We need to demand to see him, like they did Chavez!

Wouldn't it be fun to watch them panic? }(

[hnsez]

109. wishful thinking