Jon Stewart is BRILLIANT!!! Last night's TDS made it look so simple

[CatWoman]

Bush blames everything and anything on everybody and anybody.

I love the way the Daily Show presented it.

The Dems don't control a damn thing, yet THEY are stopping him from doing the things he wants to do legislatively.

The American people are finally waking up, yet THEY are responsible for the war going badly.

Michael Jackson, well, ok -- it's Jackson's fault that Bush's poll numbers are in the toilet. Damn that MJ media coverage. Took time away from covering Chimpy's many successes and accomplishments.

And an honorable mention for the media. Its THE MEDIA'S fault we keep seeing all the cars that are not being blown up.

[MuseRider]

1. He just gets

better and better and he started out quite well to begin with. I love the Daily Show, a can't miss in my house.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

2. He stepped out

and did something in a format I'd not seen before (of course, I don't see every show).

I thought the bit was about as smart and scathing and funny and important as anything one might find in any kind of reputable newspaper or news magazine.

By the way, go to newyorker.com, and read the article written by the woman who was the guest on last night's show - about Patrick Henry College. It's given me bad dreams ever since I read it last week. It is vital to know about a place like this.

And chilling.

[CatWoman]

3. thanks for the tip. will do!!

[Tux]

5. Link?

[CatWoman]

9. I'm still trying to find it

http://www.newyorker.com/online/

[OldLeftieLawyer]

14. You are such research wusses.......

You gotta be a little creative, since the New Yorker's website is now up with the current issue - the Patrick Henry College article is from LAST week's issue.

What am I gonna do with you?

::: sigh :::

I guess I'll make it easy for you this time. BUT, next time, you're on your own.

http://tinyurl.com/cmo4m

:hi:

[Tux]

18. Liberal snob

First, I don't read New Yorker.
Second, I assumed the article was in the current issue since the writer appeared on the Daily Show last night.
Third, newyorker.com lacks a search option and their archive organization sucks.
Fourth, who really cares? Article shows me what is happening in my town now. So what?

[Tux]

19. Liberal snob

First, I don't read New Yorker.
Second, I assumed the article was in the current issue since the writer appeared on the Daily Show last night.
Third, newyorker.com lacks a search option and their archive organization sucks.
Fourth, who really cares? Article shows me what is happening in my town now. So what?

[CatWoman]

21. LOL

Thanks.

It didn't occur to me to look at last week's edition :D

[OldLeftieLawyer]

25. A hint

(and this might make you a "liberal snob," so be very, very careful): all you have to do is is google "Patrick Henry College New Yorker," and there it is.

Now, be warned. You know what happens to "liberal snobs," don't you?

That's right.

Every great thing.

(The New Yorker on the streets is the one with the Rosin article - I'm a subscriber, and the website is, I think, ahead like the subscriptions)

[mongo]

34. Are you still teaching classes

in Liberal Snobbery 101 at Whatsamatta U?

[knitter4democracy]

37. Apparently so.

Such a lovely, welcoming person. So helpful. So kind. So understanding. Such a wonderful example of progressive values.

:sarcasm:

[mongo]

39. well, I guess I probably should have put on the sarcasm sign

but the person I was replying to knows where I was coming from.

As opposed to those who merely make assumptions and lash out.

[knitter4democracy]

40. Apparently you didn't read further down the thread.

I wasn't making any assumptions but was reacting to how OldLeftyLawyer has been responding to my posts further down.

Thanks for being so nice about it, though. :eyes: Honestly, people have been pretty nasty here, lately. I'm not sure why--maybe it's the stress of having to watch our President lie this week yet again, maybe it's the war, maybe it's the economy. Frankly, though, I'm getting tired of superior attitudes and nasty tones used against anyone who disagrees or has a slightly different opinion. How does that make us Progressives?

[mongo]

41. You're right

And I guess I made a bit of an ass of myself

Ain't the first time - won't be the last

But really, It's only a message board. Try to remember that.

Frankly, though, I'm getting tired of superior attitudes and nasty tones used against anyone who disagrees or has a slightly different opinion. How does that make us Progressives?

Or maybe people have different styles. Perhaps you are reading way too much into what is said to you. Being a progressive doesn't mean we are all going to agree all the time, or gather together every night to sing kum-by-ya. Some of us are by nature, fighters

OLL is gruff, flippant, sarcastic and a wonderful old coot that's done more IRL than just whine on a message board. Someone I'd gladly share a foxhole with.

Perhaps you should re-read the exchange, I'll recap:

OLL: Everyone should read this article - it's scary!
K4D: I don't need to read it - I've lived it.
OLL: Really, you should read it, there's some really good info in there - that may be different from your experiences.

And it goes downhill from there.

K4D, perhaps you can start knitting us all some backbones, starting with the dems in congress. We aren't going to retake this country with fuzzy bunnies. And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

[knitter4democracy]

44. I enjoy debates and differences of opinion.

I just don't enjoy being treated as less than. I appreciate your respect and honesty, and that helps me understand this thread better. Thank you.

Hmm . . . knitted backbones. That would give me a chance to work with wire and learn that technique. ;) Would they still be too flexible?

[mongo]

45. Can you knit with steel cable?

That might do the trick... :evilgrin:

:hug:

[knitter4democracy]

46. Actually . . .

There's a new steel yarn, and I've seen art in which steel cable has been knitted (usually with mechanical help of some kind).

Ooh, there's an art installation to put in front of the Capitol. :)

[OldLeftieLawyer]

42. Clearly,

you failed my class. I'm a fair grader, but if your papers weren't well-done, if you used too many emoticons, or if your reasoning was faulty, syntax tortured, grammar spotty, and overall tone unpleasant, well, then, yes, you got an F.

Others got As, the ones with curiosity and open minds, the ones with the intellectual courage and raging desire to know the world, know what's in it beyond the tiny little tips of their adorable little noses.

Plus, Mongo was, I believe, addressing me, and not you, and such intrusive and ill-mannered behavior is hardly anything we want in Liberal Snob 101.

I know a trick with knitting needles. If you want, I can show you.

So, yes, Mr. Mongo, in response to your question, now that I've cleared the runway of quacking ducks seeking to mate with a bigger bird, I am in fact teaching the aforementioned class, and it's an Honors Class, which comes as no surprise to anyone familiar with it.

It's open only to the sentient, though. We have rules.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

43. WHOOPS!!!

[Tux]

11. Yes

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050627fa_fact

[CatWoman]

13. thank you!!!!

[knitter4democracy]

15. I couldn't even finish it--gave me the creeps!

Of course, I went to a college like that one, Mt. Vernon Nazarene College in Ohio (I refuse to call it by the new name of university :puke: ).

Yup. Too freakin' familiar, and I still get nightmares enough as it is. Those "colleges" are scary, really. In fact, many of my classmates are progressives now, since we've seen the logical extension of their ideology and lived with it.

I even have a former friend from there who's now working in the Dept. of Homeland Security as an assistant to the Director. :scared: He may be smart, but frankly, it scares me to think that he's in charge in part of keeping us all safe. He's such a butt-kisser. :eyes:

[OldLeftieLawyer]

16. I would urge you to finish reading the article

Because, in spite of what it reminded you of, it's not like any other school.

It's not affiliated with any religious organization, and the students are all - all - home-schooled. That's a whole different mix from any other school that ever claimed to be an institution of higher learning.

The guy who founded it is well-known in Virginia, having held state office, and lost when he tried to go higher. He won't quit, though, and this school is just another step in his political ambitions. He's young, he's well-funded, and he's relentless.

I would urge you to read about it, because they're only the beginning, and unless we know exactly who they are, they're going to devour us, our children, our freedoms.

[knitter4democracy]

27. Oh, we had many, many homeschooled kids.

That, and even more Christian schooled kids (those are Protestant, for those who are wondering, as most Nazarenes don't think Catholics are Christian :eyes: ).

The problem is that I do know who they are. I lived with them in dorms (too many stories there), I took classes with them, I was yelled at by them (when I came out against Dole and when I wrote an editorial against the Homecoming Pageant) on the sidewalk and in the cafeteria, and I even went on mission trips with them. These are scary people, frankly.

The thing is, they aren't robots. They have put at least some thought into what they're doing, and they really think they're on the right side of things. They really believe that they're doing God's work, and they really believe what's being spewed from the pulpit. Most of them aren't all that great at critical thinking skills, but the ones who are, are all about power. They want it, and they know how to get it.

Like I said, scary people.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

29. It's not a "religious" school like you went to

It's not like anything that's ever been done in higher education here. This is something completely different - in its charter, in its goals - than you (or anyone else) ever encountered.

You can't imagine how smart these kids are, and how savvy. That really surprised me. Their critical thinking skills are being honed in a way you cannot imagine.

If you will let yourself be repulsed without getting the information, then you'll have no legtimate retort when you find yourself with one of them having power over you.

Knowledge really is power, and I was astonished at what this Patrick Henry College is doing. They've got their own revolution going on, and if people don't educate themselves about this, it will hurt everyone with our bent.

[knitter4democracy]

31. Ummmmm . . .

I'll have no legitimate retort? I used to be one of them! I've had many, many debates with them, and I've even made them cry and question their beliefs.

I know you're upset, but don't freak out too much. Sixty percent of my frosh class was Nazarene, and now, not a single one of my friends is anymore. Life has a way of getting to many of these people and making them question what they're being told--even the power-hungry ones. I've seen it myself. There's hope!

[OldLeftieLawyer]

32. Thank you

I'm not upset, but thanks.

I'm saddened that you were so scarred by your experience that it closed your mind to finding out what's going on in the world now. It's doubly sad when you're convinced you know - just like the right-wing "true believers" - even when you don't. I guess your education really did take hold in you. I can understand that that would make you frightened.

I'm sad for you having your mind cast in amber. But, if you believe there is hope for you, then that's one glimmer on your horizon.

Best of luck to you.

[knitter4democracy]

33. I find your judgmental attitude puzzling.

This one article has convinced you that you now know the future of the right wing. This one article is Truth, and anyone who turns away from the Truth is in the darkness. This one article is so important that you have to denigrate another Dem for the immense sin of not finishing it--going so far as to diagnose said Dem with various mental maladies.

Odd.

I watched the interview, and she actually admitted that she never got to know the guys very well due to the campus restrictions. She admitted that she got to know the women better and that they seemed more realistic about their futures because of the double-standard. I wonder, however, who decided whom she had contact with and whom she didn't. Our college was always very careful about that--show the best and brightest all the time and carefully craft the image.

I probably will read the article in full some time this week, as I have that issue, but it will not be because you shamed me into it or some weird thing like that. It will be out of curiosity as to how that place is different than our college and how she experienced it.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

35. I'm sure you'll find it interesting

How lovely to watch a mind being wrenched open, even as its owner doth protest far too much. The differences will be most obvious to you, with your background.

Never confuse having an opinion with judging.

There is hope, as you said, and I am glad of that for you.

[knitter4democracy]

36. How lovely to be talked down to . . . how enjoyable.

As for protesting too much, Hamlet often projected his issues onto everyone around him. You might want to look in the mirror before leveling that accusation. Remember: your knickers are in a twist over one article.

Having an opinion is one thing. Talking down to someone who disagrees with you is another. That's where judgement creeps into your statements: in the tone and diction. You have a strong opinion. That's fine. You're entitled to one. Acting like your opinion is the only valid one in the universe (based on one solitary article) is a horse of a different color.

Honestly, I have often wondered why people think that Dems are snobs. I've never run into any in real life. You're the first: congratulations.

[FreedomAngel82]

26. That is scary

Rove a political genius? Please excuse me while I laugh my ass off! LOL!!! I don't call insulting 9/11 family surivors a genius just so you can get political capital. And if Rove was such a genius why isn't Bush's poll numbers in the 60's? Clinton's was 60% when he left office and this was after the Monica Lewinsky nonsense and Whitewater crap. This really tells all from the article: <He founded the school after getting requests from two constituencies: homeschooling parents and conservative congressmen. The parents would ask him where they could find a Christian college with a “courtship” atmosphere, meaning one where dating is regulated and subject to parental approval. The congressmen asked him where they could find homeschoolers as interns and staffers, “which I took to be shorthand for ‘someone who shares my values,’ ” Farris said. “And I knew they didn’t want a fourteen-year-old kid.” So he set out to build what he calls the Evangelical Ivy League, and what the students call Harvard for Homeschoolers.> So they prey on those who are homeschooled and who have never had any experience in the outside world and are easily manipulated because they believe these politicians share their beliefs. How sad. The owner and his wife have ten kids?! Oy!

[kittenpants]

28. no way! I knew someone who got kicked out of Mt. Vernon

for having sex! That place is a scary, scary cult. I'm glad you escaped.

[knitter4democracy]

30. Where were they caught? The cornfield?

That was a popular place, and they'd raid it every so often with big search lights and all.

Yup--no drugs, no sex, no smoking, no drinking, no movies higher than a PG-13 rating, no shorts or skirts shorter than one inch above the kneecap while standing, no co-ed dorms, no New Yorker Magazine (got banned as pornography after a new prof assigned it for a lit class and upset a bunch of students with the fiction piece, "House Burning"--I was in the class, and it almost made me transfer, but most of my ed classes wouldn't transfer anywhere), ummmmm, no face cards in public areas, no children allowed outside of the chapel or cafeteria (pro-life, my ass), no pregnancy out of wedlock, no consorting with members of the opposite sex (even off campus, so rumors counted too), no critical analysis of the odd rules . . .

Crazy place, the Naz.

[rwork]

4. The best TDS ever

I think he listened to Bill Moyer.

[elehhhhna]

6. TDS should do the rebuttal after the Prezzy's "speecifying" tonight.

Just saying.

[swag]

7. A quote passed along by a friend who watches

"So, In Iraq, we're in a marathon at about the 21st mile. So our nipples are bleeding and we've just pooped ourselves. Finally, that sounds about right."

-- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show

[vi5]

8. Can someone describe what was said or done?

I didn't get to see it and may not get to see the repeat tonight. What did Stewart do and say and what made it so good?

[Eric J in MN]

10. link to video

http://www.dembloggers.com/story/2005/6/27/205759/385

[CatWoman]

12. for you?? anything!!!

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/06/27.html#a3668

http://www.dembloggers.com/story/2005/6/27/205759/385

[melissinha]

17. ha ha ha ah

To Michael Jackson:

Stop molesting the Bush agenda!

[ComerPerro]

20. They way it was presented was just brilliant

And I loved the summary.

"So, the people to blame are:

The Democrats

You, the American people

The Media

and Michael Jackson"



That would be a great campaign ad.

Limbaugh is always ranting about how "liberals think you are stupid!" and "Its your fault that you don't see how great they are!"

Well, the administration is now saying just that to the American people.

Who will tell them?

[FreedomAngel82]

22. It was great!

LOL. I loved it.

[underpants]

23. Showing the Cavuto BS was brilliant

Taped it. I think I will watch it again before W's speechifying

[CatWoman]

24. Cavuto's head looks like its way too big for his body

yes, that was a kick-ass piece :thumbsup:

[deacon]

38. He is doing a fantastic job of making Fox News a parody of itself

exposing what out of touch hacks they are. And he's right, Fox "News" should be laughed at. They are a joke