The REAL quote from Kerry: Not enough troops on the BORDERS of Iraq.

[blm]

Sen. John Kerry, Bush's Democratic opponent in last year's presidential election, told NBC's "Today" show that the borders of Iraq "are porous" and said "we don't have enough troops" there.
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http://www.record-journal.com/articles/2005/06/29/ap/headlines/d8b190lg0.txt

Please don't spin and pretend he said anything more. Kerry laid it out yesterday in his plan to secure Iraq more quickly and get our troops home faster. Yersterday he was applauded for his plan here at DU and today someone spins his words and the kneejerkers jerked.

If we had less troops guarding the oil and pipelines and Halliburton employees, we'd be better able with more troops to secure the borders, train the Iraqi troops and get the hell out of there alot faster.

[realFedUp]

1. find the oil pipelines and you'll find troops

Priorities, priorities....

[LightningFlash]

5. Kerry addressed this plan too!!!

He stated, over thirty five times, we switch onto developing natural gass alternative fuel sources. Oil should be used for the Iraqi people to give them heating and living conditions, he had the whole damn strategy wrapped up.

Apparently it was so good to the troops and to America it made the neocons sick so no matter what Rove had to steal the election, simple as that. :puke: :puke:

The $$$ was the bottom line...

[blm]

8. That's what I think, too.

Anyone who claims the oil companies would do as well with Kerry as they do Bush is LYING.

[seabeyond]

2. simple truth is, if bush hadnt fucked this war up, in every step of the

way, we would not be where we are today.

you have two camps

fix it and go
go

with the democrats

i understand both. i understand the adult that says man, we canot leave iraq to what we created, for so many reasons

i understand the person that says, how do we ask the last soldier to die

biden did not agree with bush speech

all democrats (cant speak for dodds) challenged and spoke out against 9/11=saddam connection

[blm]

7. So true. But, the spin is bad enough from the Rovian media. To twist

the words of those Dems speaking out is unconscionable.

[LightningFlash]

3. I don't think Kerry said we needed to totally screw up Iraq.

Rather, what he was talking about is what he's been talking about since last year. As president, (and he IS the real president in exile and whatever else) the strategy is simple: Giving the troops what they need, and establishing alliances again. By doing this and securing the borders, our men and women will come home faster and U.N. peacekeepers as well as other coalition forces can secure peace agreements with Iraq and elsewhere.

We can bring in technology to effectively help them rule out any terrorist threats and move on to destroying Bin Laden's forces quickly, and really get things back on track.

In fact, this has ALWAYS been the sound strategy. It is SO fucking disgusting that the corporate media spun this strategy six ways from sunday to make it sound like a flip flop. Shows you just where their loyalties lie, and it sure as hell isn't with the troops. :mad: :mad:

[blm]

11. The timing of the antiKerry threads is pretty suspect, not to mention the

level of spin.

The media does so much spinning against every Dem leader and their words. To endure the spin here at DU and that others might believe it is just sickening.

The whole intention of Kerry's efforts yesterday was to CONTRAST a real winning strategy that would protect the troops and bring them home sooner with Bush's lies about HIS strategy which increases the danger to the troops and keeps us in Iraq for a generation.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. There is no "win" to be had in Iraq. Kerry is just fueling the fire.

And, still covering his pathetic ass for his vote for the war.

[LightningFlash]

21. No offense to the liberals, but there IS a win in Iraq.

If we get on with the sound strategy we should have had to start with, there IS a way to win in Iraq and get people out safe and I SUGGEST WE SOMEHOW FIGURE OUT HOW TO USE IT, AND QUICKLY. All while making sure that spineless dick Tony Blair goes to jail and Donald Rumsfeld getting this whole damn thing out into the open.

:thumbsdown:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. Here's a plan: We announce we lost and leave.

But, that would be too much like telling the truth and saving lives for the politicians to stomach.

[LightningFlash]

25. No that's not a good idea: AND HERE IS WHY.

Conservatives have seen the country become totally divided by racist Shittes and Sunnis in Iraq. To just automatically announce "we lost" does NOTHING but make the situation worse!

By strategy, that means pulling off Iraqs OIL period and stop taking their damn resources. Leave their shit alone and go with Kerry's strategy, KERRY had the best strategy to begin with. WE COULD HAVE ENDED THIS EASILY, AND ITS TIME WE MAKE UP FOR THAT LOSS.

And no only CORPORATIONS support destroying the place and confiscating the oil .

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. OK. We admit we lost, pull out, and send them a check.

What Kerry, Bush, Rummy, et al, are advocating, is more killing to "provide stability".

The Shia and Sunni (not to mention the Kurds) have been hating each other for centuries. What we're doing now is fueling that fire by backing a basically Shia military/police.

They're going to slug it out no matter what we do. What Kerry, Biden, and the rest are advocating is tantamount to giving cosmetic surgery to someone who is having a heart attack.

[bvar22]

35. How many more Iraqis would YOU say we need to kill

...before we get to call it a WIN?

[jillan]

38. Kerry voted for the war because he was lied to - just like all of

Americans, and Britains, and the whole world.

We were told WMDs/Saddam was going to kill us/mushroom clouds.

We were lied to and we were vulnerable, 9/11 was still fresh on our minds. I remember watching Colin Powell showing everyone where all of the wmds were being made in Iraq, and feeling sick to my stomach.

Kerry was lied to. Congress was given the bs by this administration.

It used to be that people could believe what their president said.
You cannot blame Kerry for believing.

[ohtransplant]

4. He's better prepared than that

and he's right on point as usual.

Still there are some who take issue with whatever he says simply because he's the one saying it.

[blm]

6. I don't mind if they disagree, I just think lying or spinning what he said

is a GOP staple tactic that has no place at a Democratic forum.

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[blm]

10. What's your goal? Why do you pretend he's saying ahat he's not?

Why do you refuse to HEAR that Kerry's plan would concentrate on securing the areas that would help the troops and get us out of Iraq more QUICKLY and areas that Bush is ignoring because he wants to maintain control over Iraq and its resources indefinitely?

Your goal is always to destroy Kerry and you spin his every word or missed word to do so.

That is exactly what the Republican operatives do. Why do YOU do it?

[LSK]

15. and what was the paragraphs before and after that sentence???

Why not give THE WHOLE FVCKING CONVERSATION. I see this BULLSHIT from FREEPERS all the time. I dont need to see this CRAP on DU.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Another real quote from Kerry asking for more troops.

"Senator Kerry outlined his proposal in comments to the press Tuesday. He said he would try to attach a proposal to add 40,000 troops to the US military establishment, 30,000 to the Army and 10,000 to the Marines, as well as to raise death benefits for soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and provide other financial compensation for soldiers and their families."

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/feb2005/kerr-f19.shtml

[Mass]

17. Not more troops in Iraq

more troops in general, but of course, why bother trying tell the truth.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. Oh, I see. The "new" troops are to sit at home and pick their noses.

While the military continues to rotate the troops already there. Brilliant!

[LittleClarkie]

34. Their butts actually :P

The military is hollow. Perhaps some for Iraq, but in general where they are needed.

[merh]

13. I'd rather put my faith in a man who actually served in war

and his strategy than an AWOL guardsman that never completed service and was too drunk to do anything more than brag about how daddy got him out of trouble. :argh:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

14. Where's the part where he said "remove the troops from the pipelines"?

Are you saying he wants to move the pawns around the chessboard to kill and be killed?

[blm]

20. No. You are saying that. i am saying Kerry has a plan that would work

and get us out of Iraq faster, whereas Bush doesn't WANT a plan that works because his cronies make big dollars off Iraq's resources and our tax dollars.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. Please reread your own post. You said:

If we had less troops guarding the oil and pipelines and Halliburton employees, we'd be better able with more troops to secure the borders, train the Iraqi troops and get the hell out of there alot faster.

[blm]

27. You said he wants to move around pawns to be killed. I'm saying he wants

FEWER troops to be killed and has a plan to do it, whereas you want people to believe there's no difference in Kerry and Bush's goals.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

29. Well, that strategy worked so well in Vietnam...

More troops = fewer casualties. That's what LBJ, McNamara, and the rest of the politicians kept telling us. What do you reckon those troops are going to be doing on the borders? Sunbathing? Or, killing more people?

[blm]

32. And you want to trust Bush's plan over Kerry's? That's the bottom line

whether you acknowledge it or not. Destroy everything that Kerry says in hopes that Bush's plans are left in place.

[politicasista]

18. Thanks blm

:yourock:

[Just Me]

19. He's offering a solution which fulfills our commitment,...

,...to a country we completely destroyed AND a path towards withdrawal. It's really the best ACTUAL plan for withdrawal offered to date.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. As if there were no other plans.

Like, "We lost. Time to go."

[politicasista]

28. What are other candidates' plans for getting out?

Since you don't like Kerry's.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. What's he a candidate for?

To hell with the politicians' "plans". They're interested in saving their seats, not ending the bloodshed. They'll follow the votes and the money as they always do.

As for Kerry the "candidate" and Biden the "candidate" and Hillary the "candidate" they're all supporters of the war and occupation. They're trying to appear as "moderates". Pro-military but against the WAY the slaughter is being run. Not against the war, mind you, but against the inefficiency.

I'm against the war, and against any politician that advocates, and votes, to continue it. Whether he/she has a (D), (R), or (I), after their names.

[politicasista]

33. You still didn't answer my question

What suggestion does Dean, Clark, Feingold, Byrd or anyone else have to offer that if different from what Kerry has said?

[saracat]

39. That is NOT a plan and it serves no ones interests.

The Iraqis would be destroyed by the insurgents and we would be attacked at home because we would have shown weakness. Thank God no one listens to inane reasoning of that sort. It is the height of naivete to think we can just "pull out and leave".We have a responsibility to protect both Iraq and ourselves! It was wrong to go to war, but now we must suffer the consequences.We can't run away from the actions of the Idiot King. That would make us no better than he is!

[mzmolly]

36. He also said that we need more INTERNATIONAL troops NOT US troops.

:hi:

[jillan]

37. Isn't Kerry talking about Iraqi troops that we need more of?

I always here him talking about how we need to get more Iraqi troops trained and that * is not doing it. Kerry wants the Iraqi troops to go to different countries to train, so they can be trained faster without all of the crap going on around them.