Is that a 9 and 11 in your back drop Mr. President?

[libertypirate]

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Reference posts:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1895758&mesg_id=1895758

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1895758&mesg_id=1896516

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1895758&mesg_id=1896557

[xray s]

1. Sorry. I don't see it.

But I did find the naked woman and the skull...

[Deja Q]

2. Nominated

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[mr_hat]

3. Dunno about that. Hadn't noticed all those smilies before, though.

[lonestarnot]

4. Wow that's eerie

[Radio_Lady]

10. Like in Erie, Pennsylvania??

{{smiling}} The word you want is eerie!

[lonestarnot]

13. oops typo too fasto redo on edit and tanks!

[Radio_Lady]

76. "tanks" to you, too! Har-har-har-de-har-har!

[K-W]

5. Remember, these people obsess over backdrops.

If we noticed it, they noticed it, meaning they most likely planned it.

[truebrit71]

21. Yeah, the nazis were big fans of backdrops too...

...oh, oops, I just said 'nazi'....to whom do I have to apologize? :eyes:

[C_U_L8R]

42. What's The New Punishment For Defacing The Flag

Seems to me that redesigning (5 stripes etc) and
putting subliminals on the flag is worse than burning it.
Can we add this to the articles of impeachment... hahaha

[ElectroPrincess]

46. It doesn't work near as good as BushCo and our Advertisers would like

But it's called "subliminal" visual cues.

[deacon]

6. the apologists and the media have continually shrugged off

he was an implying any connection. They can't anymore.

[goclark]

7. Remember the cross at the podium of the Regressives Convention

[SheepyMcSheepster]

26. yes, this one:

[FloridaPat]

8. Good catch!

[tuvor]

9. I don't see it, but I do see a lot of Oi's.

Or maybe I'm seeing "Oil".

:tinfoilhat:

I'll admit, thought, it's at least interesting that the flags are mirror images of the correct US flag.

[berni_mccoy]

11. Looks a little like the twin towers actually...

[jillan]

32. that's what I thought when I saw it. n/t

[pansypoo53219]

12. subliminiminimal

ain't it.

[Reptilian]

14. No its more like this

9 stripes on the flag. two flags shaped like the WTC, or like the number 11 equeals 911

[tabasco]

15. Excellent observation. Propaganda pros at work.

Simply disgusting and obviously intentional.

[progressoid]

16. Ummm...

have some of you been mixing your meds?

[Occulus]

55. Don't forget though:

These people are masters of propaganda. UIf we're seeing things here, reading things into it, we're catching them in their work. Notice: the flags in the backdrop are simply wrong to begin with. Not enough stripes, stretched starfield.

Remember the podium at the RNC. "Mission Accomplished." The carrier landing. The famous "halo" photos of *. And on. And on.

I think we're seeing things we're supposed to see. And it's damn unsettling.

[snot]

17. I think it's intended.

But I wonder if it backfired . . .

I've seen a lot of complaints since about his overuse of the words, "911"--people really picked up on it--he used it 5 or 6 times.

He supposedly used the word "terrorists" or a variant thereof something like 35 times, and I haven't heard any complaints about it. Granted, it's less objectionable in itself--but I'm wondering if people felt more bludgeoned by "911" because the visual sensitized them to it.

[Miss Chybil]

18. I was going to say this is stupid, but then

I remembered the CIA thought they saw secret messages, (numbers) in an Al Jazeera crawl. If they think other people do it, it must be because they do it themselves. Hey, I wonder if there are secret messages in CNNs crawls?

[nashville_brook]

19. holy crap -- that bugged me, why the flags had only 3 bars at bottom

wow, nice catch!

[sweetheart]

48. That DOES explain it

Why otherwise cut the flag off... sure enough. A visual hypnosis
message from the subconscious programmers... very well crafted.

Too bad chevy chase is retired... we could really use his mr.
subconscious immitation of bush... it would make for good crack.

[theearthisround]

20. Excellent find, this is no coincidence. n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

22. Holy Nazi Shit, Batman!

Nominated

[lady lib]

23. OMG!

They are unfuckingbelievable. GREAT catch.

[Must_B_Free]

24. Isn;t that a phallic symbol behind the podium?

[inchhigh]

45. phallic symbol behind the podium?"

No, that's *

[SammyWinstonJack]

54. So it IS a phallic symbol afterall. n/t

[mod mom]

25. Has anyone heard the reason they said they "desecrated" the flag? This

subliminal message could be it!

[spindoctor]

37. That's right, this is desecration. What will they do next? Burn it?

Then of course, the only country in the world preparing to outlaw flag burning is big on flag desecration in the name of "patriotism" :)

[Straight Shooter]

27. If the flag were hanging naturally, the blue would be at bottom LH corner.

or it would properly be in the upper RH corner. This is a deliberate manipulative use of the flag. Isn't that desecration?

I agree the flags look like the twin towers. What I want to know is: Were there actually only 11 stars above his head, or is the photo just cropped? If there were 11 stars, then you have 9 stripes and 11 stars.

[I Have A Dream]

64. I think that they are displaying it correctly.

Here's a link:

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html

This is just one link, but I've seen the same things other places in the past.

However, it's clear that they are trying to play with our minds.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

28. Very bizarre....and an interesting discovery!

[Bigleaf]

29. Another one..

Could you also do an overlay on the Giant 9 in the center section between the large flags (the little white circles -start at the lower left circle and go up diagonally to the right and then the circle portion to form the 9) and the 2 white stripes that run the length of the flag on the right?

[GiovanniC]

52. It Could Be Like Seeing Shapes in Clouds

But I see this too.

[catzies]

30. GASP!!!! It's a Jedi Mind Trick to this crew.

Their cravenness knows no depths.

[smartvoter]

31. Yep. And the twin towers to boot. nt

[jillan]

33. what IS that picture in the boxes with the flags?

It looks like the man in the moon..or maybe one of dumba's drawings of himself?

[goclark]

34. The Regressives usually don't get too creative

It is odd that they would not display the flag in a traditional way.
Maybe they are doing a Code trick that only the real NeoCons understand.

Probably sending the code that says:

Don't worry baby, we'll fake them out!

What turds.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

35. Moon between two towers imagery too.

[neonplaque]

36. Just too strange..

When it comes to media events, Rove leaves nothing to chance... so we have to assume there was a deliberate and careful purpose to the entire set design. Even the tacking of the blue/stars to lift the bottom of the blue area so it curves further suggesting the 9 is meaningful.

Incredible.

And what is that smilie face looking thing, anyway?

[I Have A Dream]

38. I've been wondering for a while whether there was something...

subliminal going on in reference to Fox News & right-wing radio; people are just a little too blind in reference to their lies. I'm not a paranoid person, but using subliminal messages is just the type of thing that the Right would do because they have so little respect for the average American.

[B Calm]

39. Now that you have pointed it out, I really think you are right!

My god, this is unfreakin' believable!

[Eric J in MN]

40. I disagree with this. They're just flags.

nt

[displacedtexan]

41. There aren't enough stripes on those flags!

Damn! Good catch!

Here's what it should really look like.

And don't let BushCo tell you "There wasn't enough room to show the flags."

Flag Etiquette dictates:



8. When the flag is displayed in a manner other than by being flown from a staff, it should be displayed flat, whether indoors or out. When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag's own right, that is, to the observer's left. When displayed in a window it should be displayed in the same way, that is with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street. When festoons, rosettes or drapings are desired, bunting of blue, white and red should be used, but never the flag.

[I Have A Dream]

67. I agree. The fact that there aren't enough stripes is what clinches it...

for me. Otherwise, I'd say that we're seeing what we want to see.

This is the type of thing that they'd do. They have no respect for American citizens.

[WePurrsevere]

43. That's pretty wild BTW why are the Flags projections, not real?

Not sure if it's deliberate (although I would'nt put it past any politician to use subliminal tricks, especially these BushCo control freaks) but after looking with folks trying to guide folks how to see it I can see 911 and the Towers with a bit of a stretch. What struck me right away was the odd striping of the flag, the weird "smiles" and they didn't look solid.

I showed the pic to DH without telling him anything, just showing him the pic and asking him what was wrong with the pic. He said he thinks they're projections... exactly the same like they're copy and pasted. Look at the shadows, folds, etc. and the only diff is where it looks like there's possibly a security screen in front of Bush. He also saw 911 symbolized much faster then I did (of course I'm admittedly not quite awake yet, he is).

This pic is from a news source originally right? So does anyone know if this a projection behind Bush? If so, why would they use a projection and not real flags? Why use a flag with the incorrect amount of stripes? Is the bunching up of the field of blue deliberate or an accident copy and pasted? and finally what on earth are those freaky smiley faces if one is up close and clear?

[LifeDuringWartime]

59. projections are easy

maybe the flags were waving?

[WePurrsevere]

74. True.. it also would make it easier to tweak them a bit...

if that were their intent.

[Radio-Active]

44. I don't see it...

but that backdrop is damn silly..

did you hear about the new Bush speech video game?

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[Jara sang]

47. The little circles in the center make a 9 too

and the stripes on the right hand flag make an 11.

[libertypirate]

51. Wouldn't that change if the president moved?

[Celebration]

49. Remember the RATS incident

[Gormy Cuss]

53. Yes, the best reason why the subliminal messaging theory has merit.

The repeated graphic of a 9 stripe flag can not be accidental in light of the recent focus on flag desecration laws.

I agree with TahitiNut's post on another thread. It's the way a flag looks draped over a coffin. I hope that was the subliminal message the "war president's" administration intended.

[libertypirate]

60. I am sure that it is a "crafted" message

If they are crafting such messages, how often and how effective are they???

Do you know of any other examples of them using these techniques?

[Celebration]

50. Remember the RATS incident

http://www.bushwatch.com/rats.htm

"At first glance, the Republican television commercial on prescription drugs looks like a run-of-the-mill attack advertisement. The announcer starts by lauding George W. Bush's proposal for dealing with prescription drugs, and criticizes the plan being offered by Vice President Al Gore. Fragments of the phrase "bureaucrats decide" — deriding Mr. Gore's proposal — then dance around the screen. Then, if the viewer watches very closely, something else happens. The word "rats," a fragment of the word "bureaucrats," pops up in one frame. And though the image lasts only one-thirtieth of a second, it is in huge white capital letters, larger than any other word on the commercial. The advertisement then declares, "The Gore prescription plan: bureaucrats decide."...

"Almost every advertising professional interviewed said that given the technology by which commercials are assembled frame by frame, it was virtually impossible for a producer not to know the word was there. "There is no way that anything Alex Castellanos does is an accident," said Greg Stevens, a veteran Republican admaker here. Bobby Baker, chief of the office of political programming at the Federal Communications Commission, said that if the word had been deliberately inserted in the commercial that would be "an extraordinary development" and reflect "reckless" behavior. While he said the commission did not prohibit subliminal advertising, Mr. Baker explained that "we have policy statements and public notices that indicate they are inherently intended to be deceptive and might be contrary to the public interest."" (NYT, 9/12/00)

[libertypirate]

56. Does anyone know of a listing of these "messages"?

[im10ashus]

57. You forgot this one!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3978185

[libertypirate]

58. Thanks....

Do you know of any other recent attempts to use this type of propaganda?

It would make the case stronger to show a pattern of behavior.

[im10ashus]

61. I'm doing a search into this.

I doubt very seriously this was just a coincidence. NOTHING with this Administration is a coincidence. It's all part of their little plan.

[libertypirate]

71. I am looking as well...

How about that Howard Dean photo that some republican was pasted into?

[catzies]

70. Google "bush halo" in either reg. Google or Google Images

You'll se a lot of people who had "Fun with Photoshop," but those were based on REAL choreographed photos. There's quite a few if you're diligent.

[maddiejoan]

72. Here he is at the Feb '0f SOTU

[nashville_brook]

62. thom hartmann is talking about this right now! 11:17am central thursday

[indepat]

63. Subliminal messages to augment the repetitive ringing of 9-11 in the ears?

[goodboy]

66. it's "subliminable"...sheesh HAHAHAHA (nt)

[indepat]

69. Ouch, that wasn't subliminal

[VOX]

65. Good catch. Remember the cross on the podium at the GOP convention?

I'm convinced that the right wing is very much into "creative" stagecraft.

[nashville_brook]

68. totally relevant

i took a senior seminar in humanities that examined set and setting cultural messages and i'll be damned -- people really do get paid to design this stuff with this shit in mind. it's not being all tinfoil or anything. it's simply what you do when you craft messaging.

[Ferry Fey]

73. The flag is a livng thing

Don't know how many of you have ever noticed it down at the end of the flag code (see the link posted by I Have a Dream), but there is this concept which I find more than a little creepy:

"The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing."

[libertypirate]

75. It is creepy that anyone would elevate a symbol above

just being a symbol, but hey rethuglicans have done wonders co-mingling the definitions of people and corporations

[nashville_brook]

77. "just like corporations" is the key here -- that was the vibe i picked up

on initially. and it's definitley the modus operandi. not surprising if you are selling tacos -- really creepy for the president addressing the troops.