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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:34 PM
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Scott Ritter - US War with Iran has already begun
Aljazeera.net
Thursday 23 June 2005, 12:21 Makka Time, 9:21 GMT

Americans, along with the rest of the world, are starting to wake up to the uncomfortable fact that President George Bush not only lied to them about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (the ostensible excuse for the March 2003 invasion and occupation of that country by US forces), but also about the very process that led to war.

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President Bush had signed a covert finding in late spring 2002, which authorised the CIA and US Special Operations forces to dispatch clandestine units into Iraq for the purpose of removing Saddam Hussein from power.

The fact is that the Iraq war had begun by the beginning of summer 2002, if not earlier.

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The reality is that the US war with Iran has already begun. As we speak, American over flights of Iranian soil are taking place, using pilotless drones and other, more sophisticated, capabilities

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7896BBD4-28AB-48BA-A949-2096A02F864D.htm

All of a sudden, the CIA never realized that the Iraian president-elect was one of the kidnappers? Bullshit!!!! These allegations will touch a raw nerve in this country and prep it for the new war!
It's coming folks!!!
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:35 PM
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1. Not LBN
Does not belong here.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:43 PM
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2. The bush administration was hoping for his election to bring this..
story out. They will stop at nothing to start a war with Iran.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:47 PM
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3. What if this fizzles (as I expect it will)?
I really don't think the American public is as,umm, maleable as it was after 9/11.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-05 11:17 AM
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4. Some background links:
Here's the skinny on the MeK organization Scott mentions in his talk:

The IPC made the news in February when it released a report titled "US Options for Iran." In that report, the IPC recommended that a terrorist group known as the Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK) be removed from the US government's hit list. The authors of the IPC report equate the terrorist MEK with the African National Congress that fought long and hard against the despicable all-white South African regime and its US supporters so many years ago. Of course, the implication here is that the MEK will somehow produce a Nelson Mandela, or at least is on the same playing field as Mandela's group was.

Those two wacky thoughts should be enough to dismiss the 11 IPC principals, their mission and their clumsy report as nonsense. But inside the Washington Beltway, it's never wise to dismiss ignorance until performing background checks on the individuals and their affiliations. The record shows that the IPC operates in very close proximity to the US intelligence community, has the support of 150 members in the US Congress, and is linked to individuals/groups who successfully lied and led the US into another Vietnam-like war, and whose primary purpose is the creation of a US empire that controls the world's resources and protects a greater Israel. Crazy is selling these days and the loonies are in charge.

The IPC is supported by the neocon all-stars that we've come to know and love such as Douglas Feith, Frank Gaffney, Michael Leeden, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice, et al. But these frontbenchers are running out of political muscle as their war in Iraq continues to drain the resources of the American people on political, economic and military fronts. What's worse, perhaps, is their "with us or against us" mentality has caused new political and economic alliances to form (example: South America-China-Iran) and has accelerated both conventional and nuclear arms races. Having failed on so many fronts, they recognize that to get the US into Iran, some new faces are needed and that's where the IPC backbenchers are critical to the forthcoming anti-Iranian/Persian propaganda operations.
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http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/052105Stanton/052105stanton.html



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Mujahedeen-e-Khalq (MEK) is the largest and most militant group opposed to the Islamic Republic of Iran. Also known as the People’s Mujahedeen Organization of Iran, MEK is led by husband and wife Massoud and Maryam Rajavi. MEK was added to the U.S. State Department’s list of foreign terrorist groups in 1997.

MEK was founded in the 1960s by a group of college-educated Iranian leftists opposed to the country’s pro-Western ruler, Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Although the group took part in the 1979 Islamic revolution that replaced the shah with a Shiite Islamist regime, MEK’s ideology, a blend of Marxism and Islamism, put it at odds with the postrevolutionary government. In 1981, the group was driven from its bases on the Iran-Iraq border and resettled in Paris, where it began supporting Iraq in its eight-year war against Khomeini’s Iran. In 1986, MEK moved its headquarters to Iraq where it received its primary support to attack the regime in Iran. During the 2003 Iraq war, U.S. forces cracked down on MEK’s bases in Iraq, and in June 2003 French authorities raided an MEK compound outside Paris and arrested 160 people, including Maryam Rajavi.

Activities

The group has targeted Iranian government officials and government facilities in Iran and abroad; during the 1970s, it attacked Americans in Iran. While the group says it does not intentionally target civilians, it has often risked civilian casualties. It routinely aims its attacks at government buildings in crowded cities. MEK terrorism has declined since late 2001. Incidents linked to the group include:

The series of mortar attacks and hit-and-run raids during 2000 and 2001 against Iranian government buildings; one of these killed Iran’s chief of staff
The 2000 mortar attack on President Mohammad Khatami’s palace in Tehran
The February 2000 “Operation Great Bahman,” during which MEK launched 12 attacks against Iran
The 1999 assassination of the deputy chief of Iran’s armed forces general staff, Ali Sayyad Shirazi
The 1998 assassination of the director of Iran’s prison system, Asadollah Lajevardi
The 1992 near-simultaneous attacks on Iranian embassies and institutions in 13 countries Assistance to Saddam Hussein’s suppression of the 1991 Iraqi Shiite and Kurdish uprisings
The 1981 bombing of the offices of the Islamic Republic Party and of Premier Mohammad-Javad Bahonar, which killed some 70 high-ranking Iranian officials, including President Mohammad-Ali Rajaei and Bahonar Support for the 1979 takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran by Iranian revolutionaries
The 1970s killings of U.S. military personnel and civilians working on defense projects in Tehran
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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/mek.htm


The new Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad belonged to a different student organization,


....

With the start of the revolution in 1979, Ahmadinejad became the representative of the university's students in the Office for Strengthening of Unity Between Universities and Theological Seminaries, later to become known as the OSU.

The OSU was set up by Ayatollah Mohammad Beheshti, who was at the time Khomeini's top confidant. Beheshti wanted the OSU to organize Islamist students into a force able to counter the rising influence of the opposition Mujahedin-e Khalq among university students.

MeK, at the outset was a group of Marxist students opposed to the shah. Despite their philosophical differences, the MeK initially sided with Khomeini against the monarchy, believing that once the shah was gone they, would be in a better position to participate in the country's politics. Khomeini however, turned on the MeK after taking power, arresting and executing their members, thus forcing them underground or to flee Iran. Many took refuge in neighboring Iraq where they sided with Saddam Hussein against Iran in the eight-year Iraq-Iran war. The group is on the U.S. State Department's list of foreign terrorist organizations.

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http://www.wpherald.com/print.php?StoryID=20050627-013737-1779r
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-05 12:29 PM
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5. .
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-05 12:31 PM
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6. Eh, I see no reason to believe Scott Ritter - he is not an insider
He doesn't know anymore about what the Administration is thinking about Iran than anyone on DU does.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-05 12:35 PM
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7. Bingo. Is it still June and have we declared real war on them yet?
Edited on Fri Jul-01-05 12:36 PM by HypnoToad
:shrug:

No to both, but it's clear our country's Administration is aggressive.

Unless it involves selling oil companies to China while opening up an energy office there... http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3993850
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LondonReign2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-05 01:04 PM
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9. You've misunderstood what he has said
He didn't say it WOULD start in June, only that June is when all pieces would be in place to start. I think the only wrench in the misadministration's plans is the Bolton has been kept away from the UN.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-05 04:02 PM
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12. He's wrong then - NONE of the pieces are in place.
Edited on Fri Jul-01-05 04:03 PM by Zynx
Look at 2002 with Iraq - that's what a real military build-up looks like. You can't hide them in the modern day and age, especially with the entire OoB of the US military available online for the whole world to see.

What's more, any examination of the situation of the US military tells you very quickly that it is choking on Iraq as it is. You cannot send more troops to Iraq because there aren't any - let alone start building up forces to invade Iran.

No troops = no war. Forget whoever the sock-puppet US ambassador is at the UN. That doesn't matter.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-05 01:10 PM
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10. We never declared war on Vietnam.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-05 12:35 PM
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8. Did you listen to the talk...Most of his information comes from:
1.) His insider status as a UN arms inspector

--- or ---

2.) Information buried in the corporate media
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-05 03:59 PM
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11. Former UN arms inspectors know shit about current US miltary plans
I say again, there is no information or knowledge that Ritter can get that anyone here could not get with a little work. The man is an outside-the-government civilian.
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KerryOn Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-05 04:28 PM
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13. US troops enter Iran in hunt for WMDs: report
I don't know much about he source, but there have been lots of rumors. I even heard a pres interview with a US soldier that said he had just came from Iran. (Maybe he meant Iraq?)

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2005/01/17/1105810846892.html?from=top5

US special forces have been on the ground inside Iran scouting for suspected nuclear weapons sites that could be destroyed with air strikes, the US investigative journalist Seymour Hersh says.
In the latest issue of The New Yorker, Hersh, who uncovered abuses against prisoners at Abu Ghraib jail last year, reports that Pakistan, under a deal with Washington, has been supplying information on Iranian military sites and on its nuclear program, enabling the US to conduct covert ground and air reconnaissance of Iranian targets.

Others of interest:
http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?docid=1G1:91166495&refid=ink_tptd_np&skeyword=&teaser=

http://www.atsnn.com/story/123682.html

http://www.iranmania.com/News/ArticleView/?NewsCode=15332&NewsKind=CurrentAffairs

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