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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:43 PM
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Christian Wire Service: Why I Walked Out on Billy Graham!! (re: Clinton)
Edited on Thu Jun-30-05 02:57 PM by Bluebear

Rev. Rob Schenck, left, and Rev. Ed Martin, right foreground, prostate themselves and pray outside the Woodside Hospice in Pinellas Park, Florida, after news that a judge had ordered Terri Schiavo's feeding tube removed reached the crowd last Friday Photo link courtesy of DUer onenote.


To: National Desk

Contact: Rev. Rob Schenck, 703-447-7686; Dane Rose, 202-546-8329 ext. 106, both of the National Clergy Council

WASHINGTON, June 30 /Christian Wire Service/ -- The following opinion piece is submitted for publication by National Clergy Council president Rev. Rob Schenck (pronounced SHANK):

Why I Walked Out on Billy Graham
by Rev. Rob Schenck

I have been a great admirer of Billy Graham fore nearly 30 years. For 25 of those years, Dr. Graham was my role model in many ways as my ministry in preaching and evangelism developed. He set the gold standard for integrity, led the way in using technology to communicate the Gospel and stayed "on message," resisting trendy distractions by preaching only the simple Gospel for more than 60 years.

You can imagine how delighted I was to have the opportunity to travel to New York City to sit in on what will likely be his very last American crusade. I have always enjoyed Dr. Graham's preaching, but it is watching the thousands of respondents to his altar calls, streaming out of their seats, that always brings tears to my eyes and builds faith in my heart. I had no doubt that it would happen again in New York in spite of Dr. Graham's age and infirmity.

So, it was with a sense of almost boyish excitement that I passed through the main entrance to the Flushing Meadow Park in Queens on that sultry Saturday evening, the second night of the last Graham Crusade. I was choked up making my way to my seat through throngs of people of every size, shape, color, ethnicity and, no doubt, level of faith--or perhaps no faith at all. There were groups speaking to each other in Spanish, Korean and Chinese. Ushers held signs directing others to areas where they could hear the sermon in Farsi, Arabic and Tagalong. I was thrilled to be there.

I eventually settled in my seat close to the platform. I enjoyed the musical program, although it was youth night and the music was just a little to high adrenaline for my personal tastes. Then came the moment I had come for, the preaching of the "old time Gospel." I looked up from my reading material anticipating Dr. Graham's arrival on the stage. But wait, who was this?

Out of the shadows came a very familiar figure, but it wasn't Billy Graham--it was Bill Clinton!

Yes, former President Bill Clinton, accompanied by his wife, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, came out, both waving to a cheering crowd. They used the old "simulated eye-contact" that goes on routinely at political rallies, before taking their seats immediately adjacent to the pulpit.

I was stunned. What were Bill and Hillary Clinton doing on the platform of a Billy Graham Crusade?

Well, at first I dismissed it as simply customary for the Graham organization to invite sitting politicians as guests of Dr. Graham. I think that's a perfectly appropriate courtesy. And I would have expected Dr. Graham to be his normally gracious self and appropriately recognize such dignitaries, cleverly finding something good to say about them, even if it that were a difficult exercise with some. But that's not what happened.

When Dr. Graham made his appearance on the platform, walking haltingly with the aid of his son, Franklin, it was Bill Clinton who welcomed him. When Dr. Graham was securely in the pulpit, he did indeed say some kind things about the Clintons, but instead of stopping there, he actually handed the microphone to the former president. That's when for me things when into a tail spin.

First of all, Mr. Clinton was his usual self-congratulatory unctuous self, making his praise for Billy Graham somehow magically redound to his own glory. In reflecting on learning in his childhood that Dr. Graham had refused to come to Arkansas unless he would preach to an integrated audience, it almost sounded like it was then that the great evangelist got the true "seal of approval" by engendering the young Clinton's approval. I was nauseated.

But, it got worse.

When President Clinton finally surrendered the microphone back to Dr. Graham, in what I can only excuse as a moment of weakness, Dr. Graham said, "I told President Clinton that when he left office, he should be an evangelist because he has all the right gifts for it, and he should leave his wife to run the country."

Except for the small number of boos, all you could hear was the roar of the crowd, many thousands of which stood to the their feet in whoops, applause and whistles.

Now, I'm a New Yorker down deep to my DNA. My dad is from Manhattan and mother is from Brooklyn. I served as a staff pastor in Queens. I know New Yorkers and I know New York audiences. I am sure that a huge number of those 90,000 people present read that as one thing: Billy Graham's endorsement of Hillary Clinton for president.

That's when I got up, turned away from the stage, and walked out.

Now don't get me wrong, I didn't leave in a huff. I was more in a daze. I couldn't believe that I had just witnessed the Clintons manipulate their way to a quasi endorsement by the leading Evangelical of the last half-century. It was shameless exploitation of a sacred platform by the most powerful, cunning and recklessly ambitious political duo in American history.

I've been in Washington for twelve years; eight of them with the Clintons in the White House and four of them with Hillary in the Senate. I have met both of them personally and I have seen them in action, live and in person, on many occasions. What the Clintons want, they get. If any two individuals could bully themselves into a Billy Graham meeting and onto his platform to get photo ops and a quasi endorsement, it's them. And that's precisely what they did.

Of course, I'm not leaving Dr. Graham off the hook. He is after all, one of the top religious leaders in the world and a worldly-wise statesman. I'm simply giving him a little slack for being 86 years old, suffering from Parkinson's disease, prostate cancer, fluid build-up on his brain and serious fragility after a devastating pelvic fracture. I wouldn't say he was at his strongest to resist the strong-arm tactics of Clinton & Clinton, Inc.

What I will say is that Dr. Graham and his organization allowed the Clintons to take this holy moment, this sacred hour, and once again soil it, as President Clinton had done to his sacred office at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

The specter of Dr. Graham's departure from the world stage already had me in a sort of funk. But this was an even sadder spectacle; too sad for me, and I left. I never did hear Dr. Graham preach. I'd rather have his better days in my memories. :nopity:

In case you're wondering about Hillary's intentions on that platform, she went on to the whoops and whistles of another adoring crowd the very next day as she marched in the annual Gay Pride Parade. It was a very different kind of crowd, though. To see what I mean, check out this link, but don't let your kids see it: http://www.barbwired.com/nadiaweb/nawl/archives/000389.htmll
http://www.earnedmedia.org/ncc0630.htm

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:45 PM
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1. This is what I'm talkin' About!
Those creeps ARE NOT Christians! They're FAUX just like the nonews channel..pure propoganda.

Viva Billy Graham! :patriot:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:52 PM
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16. Those who can 'forgive' b*sh but not Clinton,
do seem to have missed important lessons in Sunday School.

If their God forgives, are they not failing in their faith when they work so damned hard at carrying a grudge around? Seems sorta, ya know, UN-Christian. Yes indeedy, it does.


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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:47 PM
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2. Boo-hoo-hoo!
The poor, poor man to have his hero corrupted in this way. :sarcasm:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:51 PM
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14. I guess he didn't know
Edited on Thu Jun-30-05 02:51 PM by FreedomAngel82
that Billy Graham is a democrat? :shrug: I didn't know about it until someone posted an article about it on a Christian board I frequent. They were talking about something either Rush or O'Reilly said about democrats fearing Christians and someone posted about Billy Graham being a democrat. I wonder what that guy would say about that. Too bad someone couldn't Email him about that.
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:26 PM
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39. How very Christian of him.
Edited on Thu Jun-30-05 03:27 PM by Dulcinea
Apparently it never occurred to him that JUST MAYBE Dr. Graham INVITED the Clintons??

That they didn't "muscle" their way onto the stage??

What a wanker.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:48 PM
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3. so he dismisses
Billy Graham's endorsement as the mistake of an old man with Parkinsons.....

What a jerk this guy is.

I am surprised, though, that Franklin let Billy invite the Clintons.


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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:52 PM
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17. I guess Franklin did
since it's his dad's event.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:48 PM
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4. Everyone has to remember that only republicans are Christians!..
the rest of us are evil liberals!!!!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:48 PM
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5. Can you just feel the love ?
www.harpers.org/FeelingTheHate.html

By Chris Hedges
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:48 PM
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6. Drama Queen!
QED
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:48 PM
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7. What a good little "Christian" the Rev is.
:eyes: Good grief. They all need anger management classes.
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:49 PM
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8. So, we've been a theocracy for how long?
Edited on Thu Jun-30-05 02:49 PM by prodigal_green
What I will say is that Dr. Graham and his organization allowed the Clintons to take this holy moment, this sacred hour, and once again soil it, as President Clinton had done to his sacred office at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

I wonder how the Clintons strong-armed their way into a visit at the Bush compound on Nantucket?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:58 PM
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25. haha! i love seeing clinton and bush sr. together
because i know it really gets to the repugs!

i hope they are conspiring to set w's wrongs right. george sr. must be embarrassed as all hell.


strange bedfellows, indeed! i love it!
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:49 PM
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9. Remarkably churlish and judgemental...
for a reverend. Self-righteous, too.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:50 PM
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10. You walked out on Billy Graham because your heart is
loaded with hate and you don't know how lucky you are living in this country under our constitution. You are an arrogant and ignorant bastard which I daresay describes the vast majority of those just like you. Constitution hating bastards with no concept of justice or liberty. Now why don't you find a theocracy where you will be welcome.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:00 PM
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26. hear hear~!
lovely christian attitude, isn't it?

i hope he burns in hell.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:50 PM
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11. What a sore loser
Doesn't this person know that the Clinton's are baptist? So are the Gore's. Ignorant sore loser.
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jackster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:11 PM
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31. I'm pretty sure the Clinton's are Methodists...
but that's not important. What is - they have a much more documented "Christian" history than the Bushes - they are REGULAR church goers - while in DC Chelsea was very active in her church - wonder how many times the little bushie sluts have ever been IN a church?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:14 PM
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32. I thought they were Baptist???
Edited on Thu Jun-30-05 03:15 PM by FreedomAngel82
:shrug: And yes about the Clinton's and church. I read an article last year that was titled "Why W Doesn't Go to Church" and the person who wrote it said how the Clinton's went to a church on down the road from the White House every time the doors were open and Chelsea was involved in the youth group and the choir. They also told how security wasn't a problem and at the doors had metal dectators and SS men and nobody seemed to mind and it wasn't any trouble for Clinton to go to church. So why don't you hear about Bush going to church? And yet the Bush twins are better then her? When was the last time you heard about Chelsea doing a butt dance at a bachelor party with a man who's engaged?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:20 PM
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36. they're baptist,
or at least bill is.

the bushes are methodist, so are the cheneys.
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:24 PM
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38. Hillary is Methodist, Bill is Baptist.
According to her book.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:50 PM
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12. Did I miss the part where the author offered up prayers for the
Clintons so Gawd could show them the error of their evil ways?




God doesn't send telegrams, he send Billy-Grams. (old SNL joke)
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:50 PM
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13. Fighting fire with fire,THE pukes do it all the time
I'd rather see the Clintons than that tired old bible thumper anyday . I was born and raised not 2 miles from Flushing Meadows.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:51 PM
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15. Clinton doesn't meet this guys standards but Bush is apparently good?
:wtf:

I think its funny as hell that Clinton was at Graham's rally, and that Graham endorsed him!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:54 PM
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18. Me too
Since Graham is really well respected and everything. So only Bush is a God fearing guy eh? LOL. Oy! I guess they forgot the old rule of "love thy neighbor", "turn the other cheek" etc. Sad they have so much hate in their hearts indeed.
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GeekMonkey Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:54 PM
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19. So this guy USES Graham to thinly veil an attack on the Clintons?
And then has the nerve to accuse the Clintons of using Graham for their ends.

Pot. Kettle.

What a tard. Of course, if he knew the ties of Graham to the Nazis, mebbe he would change his tune, or then again, maybe not.

What an asshat.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:16 PM
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33. Of course
Graham to the Nazi's?? Huh?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:55 PM
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20. just like all other RW views
if a member of their side strays from the lock step, they are unceremoniously dismissed from the group by way of bad press and general dissing.

viva billy graham, indeed! what a brave man. i hope he doesn't have any skeletons in his closet! they would surely be used to discredit his opinion.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:55 PM
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21. schenck is a nutjob -- check out the photo
this photo tells you everything you need to know:

http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/terri_schiavo/4.html

onenote
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:57 PM
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23. Added to OP, thanks
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MsTryska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:57 PM
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22. *lmao*
i wish Billy Graham would have said soemthing like that in a red state.


now that would have been good times.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 02:58 PM
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24. Another fraud hiding behind his Bible and cross
Poor Mr. Schenck-rhymes-with-crank! Someone demonstrates some Christian love, some Christian idealism, and Mr. Schenck can't take it! Why, it's such an outrage and such an offense against God Almighty that Mr. Schenck had to walk out of the proceedings.

Not content, however, with merely registering his disapproval in person, Mr. Schenck pens a little online screed so that everyone will know how pious and holy he is, and how he stood up for his God of spite and hate.

Apparently in all his churchly reading of the Holy Scripture, Mr. Schenck missed that passage in Romans 12:18 about living peaceably with all. But he sure does have the part that Jesus was talking about in Matthew 23 down pat.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:01 PM
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27. As an impressionable lad in the audience of a BG crusade in 1949(?),
I too was aghast when reading one of his columns seemingly endorsing the war president in the 2004 general election cycle, which if I correctly read the tea leaves, thereby effectively endorsed the ongoing pre-emptive war.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:03 PM
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28. Ha-ha!


The only way Schenck can explain away his cognitive dissonance is to say that he gives Graham "a little slack" is because he is "suffering from Parkinson's disease, prostate cancer, fluid build-up on his brain and serious fragility after a devastating pelvic fracture."

That's the only way Schenck can allow his feeble brain to accept the notion that not all Christians think Bill Clinton soiled "his sacred office at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue" and that not everyone shares his hatred.

And, of course, it's important to get in a gay-bashing reference, too.

Why does Rev. Schenck hate old people and gay people?

And when are all these nuts going to stop piling on Bill Clinton? Geez, I'm no BC fan myself, but this is absurd. He's not President anymore.

Nice find, Bluebear.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:19 PM
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35. You're right
Clinton isn't president anymore and it's amazing how they keep rehasing that old tired crap with him. Clinton wasn't a perfect persident but he did do a lot for us and we had eight years of more peace then we've had the five years Bush stole from Gore. And yet somehow Bush is a better "Christian"? Please!
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:08 PM
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29. schenck was questioned by the secret service in 1996
for making a comment to Clinton at a Christas eve church service: http://members.aol.com/beachbt/schenck1.txt

Clergyman: Words to Clinton Get Secret Service's Attention

A National Clergy Council official said yesterday that he had been detained by the Secret Service after admonishing President Clinton at a Christmas Eve service about his veto of a late-term abortion ban.

The Rev. Rob Schenck, general secretary to the council, said Secret Service agents blocked him from leaving the Washington National Cathedral for about 15 minutes and riffled his pockets for identification after he had confronted Clinton, who took communion at the late-night service with his wife and daughter.

Schenck said that while waiting to receive communion, he leaned over the altar rail toward the president's nearby seat and quietly told Clinton:"God will hold you to account, Mr. President."

What a douchebag.

onenote









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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:20 PM
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37. Doucebag indeed
What a jerk. God will hold him accountable too! Does he think he's better because he can bash the Clinton's? I don't think so! Just because he has the title Reverend doesn't mean anything! God will still hold him accountable as well! If he was a real Christian reverend he wouldn't go around hating people! Looks like someone could read their Bible some more and really study Jesus Christ!
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:09 PM
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30. So much for redemption....
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:17 PM
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34. Self serving, self absorbed and self righteous with no reason too be....
typical religious nutjob repuke.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:40 PM
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40. sheesh, that photo!
That's the author on the left there. If there was ever a doubt that these people are not in control of themselves, that photo would convince just about anyone.


Cher
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 04:02 PM
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42. Reverend Media Whore n/t
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 03:45 PM
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41. It always boils down to one thing, and one thing only ...
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 04:12 PM
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43. Y'all missed the most important part of this article:
Edited on Thu Jun-30-05 04:12 PM by Love Bug
Dr. Graham said, "I told President Clinton that when he left office, he should be an evangelist because he has all the right gifts for it, and he should leave his wife to run the country."

Except for the small number of boos, all you could hear was the roar of the crowd, many thousands of which stood to the their feet in whoops, applause and whistles.


What you had here was a large crowd of mostly Evangelicals who cheered for the Clintons! In New York! Just goes to show not all Evangelicals are repukes or even Clinton haters.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 05:39 PM
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44. not so sure about that
I heard there were a lot of people bused in for this. This isn't much of a "New York" type event. I was surprised they even held it here.


Cher
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