Zogby - 42% say impeach President AWOL if he lied about Iraq war.

[TacticalPeek]

Bwaaahahahahahahahaha!



Impeachment Question Shows Bitterness of Divide

In a sign of the continuing partisan division of the nation, more than two-in-five (42%) voters say that, if it is found that President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should hold him accountable through impeachment. While half (50%) of respondents do not hold this view, supporters of impeachment outweigh opponents in some parts of the country.

Among those living in the Western states, a 52% majority favors Congress using the impeachment mechanism while just 41% are opposed; in Eastern states, 49% are in favor and 45% opposed. In the South, meanwhile, impeachment is opposed by three-in-five voters (60%) and supported by just one-in-three (34%); in the Central/Great Lakes region, 52% are opposed and 38% in favor.

Impeachment is overwhelmingly rejected in the Red States—just 36% say they agree Congress should use it if the President is found to have lied on Iraq, while 55% reject this view; in the “Blue States” that voted for Massachusetts Democrat John Kerry in 2004, meanwhile, a plurality of 48% favors such proceedings while 45% are opposed.

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http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007


Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock . . .

:evilgrin:

[mom cat]

1. Thanks for the lift!

[bryant69]

2. That's interesting

The Impeachment threat could hang around his neck and hurt the Republican Party's chances in the mid-terms - depending on how serious it becomes.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[donco6]

3. They're makin' that Kool-Aid as fast as they can drink it.

And it's still not enough.

[Beaver Tail]

4. HE WASNT AWOL

He Deserted

[Dawgs]

5. Again, if * lied then he should be thrown in jail...

How anyone could say he shouldn't be impeached shocks the hell out of me.

I think we need to show everyone that polled NO, all of the pictures of dead or blown up Iraqi children.

[dissent1977]

30. His lies don't count

Don't you know that it is ok for a President to lie just so long as they don't lie about sex. :sarcasm:

[electropop]

48. Pukes have zero compassion for Iraqi babies

but they might respond to pics of our troops with missing limbs.

[pokercat999]

105. Actually they don't care about them either.

After-all, they aren't of the same "class" now are they.

[phantom power]

76. Because even now they won't actually use the word "lie".

Note how passively they phrased it: "did not tell the truth about..."

compare that to this Gallup poll from 1998, where they actually use the word "lie":

"If you were convinced that Bill Clinton lied under oath or participated in attempts to get the woman (an employee who worked at the White House) to lie under oath, would you favor or oppose an effort to impeach Clinton and remove him from office?"

Yes, impeach: 46%
No, don't impeach: 46%

- Gallup, January 1998

[NoW]

77. Naw, that wouldn't work

They'd just reply with pictures of the World Trade Center Towers in flames, and with "get a brain morAns". Not there is any connection between Iraq and the towers, but when did facts ever play a role in the way these idiots reason. :banghead:

[Amonester]

98. Welcome to DU, NoW! :-)

:hi: :thumbsup:

[JRob]

116. Yeah! WTF! ?This isn't a blow job... People are dying every day!

And where the "if" in this? Does anyone have any doubt? These fuckers belong in prison and what's more amazing is that there is this percentage of our population that says that "if", if they're convinced that Bush lied that he shouldn't even be impeached...

WTF is wrong with these people? If the table was turned and clinton lied, sending thousands to their death etc. I say he needed to go to jail too.

Is there a high concentration of lead in the water in these state? Is sociopathic behavior genetic? They support Bush (lier or not), they will not even look at anything derogatory about the administration (even though it's in there best interest to), they won't fight (and don't think that supporting the war necessitate it), when you think about it these people don't have the judgment to warrant a driver's license let along vote.

Jesus Christ!

[EnfantTerrible]

122. How they can't try him for TREASON

shock the hell out of ME.

[Dawgs]

6. This is only good news because they mentioned Impeachment...

IMO, 42% is way too low a number.

[Stirk]

60. Exactly- the fact that it's even entered the dialogue is amazing.

I'm quite surprised the 42% number, to be honest.

We're still in the beginning of the second Bush term. I think these guys are going to go down hard before it's over.

[caledesi]

62. Dawgs...that is exactly what I thought...just mentioning the "I" word. nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. So if the Pres were a Democrat who lie about the war....

ya just know that the red states would be 100% in agreement to impeach. Could they be anymore obvious?

[electropop]

49. They wouldn't impeach a Dem for tricking us into war...

They'd lynch him.

[marmar]

70. Correct.

Impeachments are reserved for blow jobs in the oval office.

[AceAlmighty82]

110. Its not that he got head

It's the fact that he lied to the Supreme Court about sexual relations that got him into an impeachment trial. Oh wait did I just say lied to the Supreme Court? :sarcasm: So if he lied and Bush has lied to everyone..then impeach the bastard. Should have been impeached a long time ago.

[TahitiNut]

8. Lying about the War is only ONE of their crimes!

Torture and violation of other international laws in handling of prisoners is, by itself, grounds for impeachment and trial before a War Crimes Tribunal. Then we get into the carpetbagging and war profiteering!

[Zomby Woof]

9. Impeachment won't happen

The majority of Americans opposed Clinton getting impeached, and the Repukes went ahead, out of their usual hubris and arrogance.

And despite the numbers being good in some regions, the majority still opposes Chimpy being impeached over something worth impeaching him.

And the Repukes still control a majority in Congress. So no impeachment.

As I predicted, the DSM has not had the desired effect. Cokeface will languish the next 3.5 years with 40-45% approval numbers, cementing his role as the King of America's Low Expectations.

[FreedomAngel82]

14. So??

He did war crimes and that's illegal. He went against international law. He should be impeached and jailed at the Hague with all of his administration. It's the Constutional right!

[Zomby Woof]

23. I never said he shouldn't

If you read what I wrote, I SAID it was deservedly impeachable.

Could versus should. Two VERY different things.

[Blasphemer]

19. Right....

Impeachment was never realistic IMO. It's just not something the public likes to see. Even if they disapprove of a leader or some of his actions, an impeachment weakens the state and people don't like feeling insecure. The important thing is that it is just another drip and if he continues to have these numbers (or lower) for another 3 years, Dems (if they can get their acts and their message together) should be able to take back Congress.

[Zomby Woof]

26. Just stopping his agenda

Should be priority number one.

My biggest worry is that he will get to make a SCOTUS appointment soon. Even if impeachment would occur (but that is sheer fantasy), he would still have plenty of time to get a Scalia-type judge appointed.

Unless the Dems grow some balls and Bork the sonofabitch.

[Dulcinea]

32. Sad but true.

He'll stay in office, but history will judge him harshly.

[Zomby Woof]

35. History will steamroll him

I am confident that he will be ineffective (if we can Bork his most wanted SCOTUS nominee - no way all of the justices can stay in for 3.5 more years), and his agenda can be stymied.

But impeachment fantasies are not constructive right now.

[dissent1977]

36. No impeachment is extremely unlikely, but....

He certainly deserves to be impeached, and for that reason we should be talking about it. Even if it is not a realitistic scenario for him to be impeached, we should get people talking about it. His crimes are far worse than Clinton's were, and if we already have 42% when the option has barely been talked about, I don't think it would be too difficult to get a majority in favor.

Of course even with a majority the GOP House and Senate will never vote to impeach, but talk of impeachment will certainly put a hamper on their agenda nonetheless.

[Zomby Woof]

46. Again

Why are people overlooking my words where I say what he did IS deserving of impeachment?

Realism is frowned upon in GD, and I can see why. There is a selective reading of my words when I am blunt and realistic. I say "he won't", and for some reason, the reading stops there, and I am supposedly saying "he shouldn't".

[dissent1977]

63. I know what you said

I wasn't claiming that you didn't think he should be impeached, I was just making the argument that even if he can't be impeached we should still be making impeachment an issue.

I apologize if anyone misread my words, but I wasn't trying to make it appear as if you were an opponent of impeachment.

[Zomby Woof]

88. Hell yes impeachment is valid

And I would LOVE it as much as anyone here. More, I bet you.

Somewhere on the Net is a pic of me at the International Women's Day march in Seattle in 2003, holding an Impeach Bush sign. That sign now belongs to a very dear friend, and fellow DUer, who goes by the name of geniph.

But I like to delineate the line between my wishes and reality. Keeps me grounded, and from going off half-assed all over GD. :-)

[Griffy]

82. because if he deserves it.. we should work to PROMOTE it..

not doubt it... your idea (which I can see) that it is unlikely is irrelevant because impeachment is the right thing to do with a leader that lies us into war, then steals the election to retain power! The truth is impeachment is much more real than you think, I attended Conyers hearings recently, and discussions of resolutions of inquiry are growing.. this is a slow processes.. Conyers himself mentioned watergate several times! More DSM meetings are planned, and yesterdays Washington Post had an ACCURATE DSM story covering the timeline of bushes war planning.

the truth is the key to our future!

[Zomby Woof]

90. Watergate is always dredged up

To no avail.

Of course it is the right thing to do, which is why it won't happen.

I can't tell you how many times the spectre of Watergate has been brought up when it comes to Bush's criminal activity. It happened with Enron, the 9-11 Hearings, Plame, and on and on...

And on and on...

I still strongly stand behind the assertion that DSM will flame out by year's end, and a year from now, we will have something new to get people's false hopes up.

This doesn't mean don't work for it (emphasized because I know someone will get bent out of shape and accuse me of promoting apathy), it just means don't get all upset when it doesn't pan out. You were warned - the casino is rigged.

[Griffy]

124. gee.. why would people think you promote apathy..

" I still strongly stand behind the assertion that DSM will flame out by year's end, and a year from now, we will have something new to get people's false hopes up."

so why bother...

you wont work for it... and will say its hopeless.. and yet you want me to believe you are not generating apathy?!.. tell me then, what would apathy look like.. your defeated and telling others its hopeless! At a time the tide is turning.. when we need everyone to push harder, your saying it will flame out! gee.. and your on MY team!?

:banghead:

[AngryOldDem]

80. Have to agree with you, but

I have a question. Pardon if it may seem to be insufferably naive.

What if the tide continues to turn against George, not only on the war but on other domestic issues? Do you think the GOP majority will stick with him through the midterms, or will they put their own interests (getting re-elected) ahead of party and Bush loyalty? Three GOP legislators from my state have already bucked Bush on a couple of issues. (Voinovich, DeWine, and Rep. Dave Hobson.) If the news continues to worsen out of Iraq, the public, I think, will become even more vocal that something be done. Hence, I can see more and more talk of impeachment, and a GOP that will put its own political survival above that of Bush's.

As I said, a naive question, but I've been wondering about it lately anyway.

[Zomby Woof]

89. Not a bad question

I would say although a POSSIBLE scenario, it is *not* a PROBABLE one. I play the odds on these things, and they are stacked like hell against us.

Every time the media teases us into thinking they are going our way, they yank the rug from out and under us. Just you watch.

Haven't been wrong in 4 years, although it would be nice for a change if I were.

[pokercat999]

106. We can only hope for a fatal pretzel attack.

yes I do mean that and I hope FU Cheney has a heart attack while administering the Heimlich Maneuver.

[FreedomAngel82]

10. Beautiful!!!

This is great! 2006 here we come!

[converted_democrat]

11. Interesting.....

Every Rethug I've spoken with has been against impeachment, until I say this. "Personally, I don't agree with Clinton and his personal choices, but when he lied no one died. Over 1,700 of our brothers and sisters are dead because of Bush and his lie, and the number grows everyday." If they disagree they look like asses. I've never had anyone say shit after that statement, except to agree with me.

[FreedomAngel82]

15. Good!

Good argument and it's true. When Clinton lied nobody died, the economy didn't tank etc. That's what we can use. We owe it to those who died to get their killers.

[stlsaxman]

120. AAR sited this same poll saying 25% of Republicans agree...

that if Bush IS shown to have lied us into the Iraq War he should face impeachment.

That is 1 in 4, folks... along with the 2 in 5 Dems...

one of every four Republicans....

WHOO HOOOOOO! Hot Damn!

:bounce:

[AFSCME girl]

12. You made my day!

Thanks!

P.S. I agree ~ tick tock, tick tock, tick tock..:evilgrin: :bounce:

[Larkspur]

13. Impeachment, the proper ending to an AWOL/Deserter President

[Goldeneye]

16. That's a one - way bridge.

Once you start thinking he's bad enough to be impeached, you aren't going back. It's just a matter of time, before others start thinking about it.

[lala_rawraw]

17. If???????????????????

[G_j]

18. I think the number was much lower for Clinton

I seem to recall most Americans were not in favour of that impeachment. If so, & more are open to impeachment for Bush, that is a good sign.

[G_j]

37. clarification:

interesting snippet found here:


How the Polls Mislead Us
By Reed Irvine and Cliff Kincaid | September 8, 1998
http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/A3515_0_2_0_C/

<snip>
The Republican leaders have obviously been intimidated by the polls showing Clinton's job approval ratings at very high levels despite all the scandals that have swirled around his head. If the polls are to be believed, Clinton's job approval rating seems to have benefitted from the Lewinsky scandal. An ABC News poll shows that a week before the scandal broke last January, 62 percent of the public approved the way he was handling his job. A week after the scandal broke and after he denied any improper relationship, his rating was up to 68 percent, a 6 point gain.

The day before Clinton gave his TV speech admitting that his relationship with Monica Lewinsky was inappropriate, his rating was still a healthy 62 percent favorable. In the next five days after he admitted having lied, it rose four points to 66 percent. This same poll found that 67 percent opposed Clinton resigning and 70 percent opposed having him impeached. Those figures are intimidating to the Republicans in Congress.

However, slight changes in the wording of poll questions can make a big difference in the response. The Gallup Organization recently found that a slight wording change made a 15-point difference in Clinton's favorability rating. The ABC News poll obtained a 12-point decrease in those favoring Clinton's resignation by changing the wording of the question from Clinton "lied under oath that he did not have an affair with Lewinsky" to "given what you know about the Lewinsky issue."

After the Lewinsky scandal broke last January, the ABC poll found that 55 percent favored Clinton's impeachment if he had lied under oath. At the end of January, after Clinton denied having done anything improper, there was a 15-point drop in those favoring impeachment to only 40 percent, with 51 percent opposed. A Zogby poll showed what a difference wording of the question could make. With wording that included both lying and asking others to lie, Zogby found that 47 percent favored impeachment and 44 percent opposed. After Clinton's August 17 confession, ABC News dropped any reference to lying in its questions about resignation and impeachment, boosting the percentages opposing them to 67 and 70 percent respectively. The Zogby poll found that 65 percent said Clinton should consider resigning if he had lied to the grand jury.
<snip>

[demo dutch]

78. Clinton- 62% of all Americans and 55 % of likely voters were against

the impeachment of Clinton. Plus Clinton's job approval rating remained at 65 percent!

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/10/13/poll/

And this is only the beginning, tons of people still don't know about the DSM(s) and it has barely been covered by the MSM. Little by little the facts will take shape and more and more stuff will come out!

[G_j]

83. yes, considering Lewinsky was a household name

Downing Street what?

[DemBeans]

20. hmmmmm

This is interesting from any number of perspectives.

First, the fact that they're polling on impeachment is huge. HUGE. Even though this word has garnered barely a whisper in the MSM and they've almost completely suppressed evidence of his crimes, the numbers supporting impeachment are impressive. Imagine how high these numbers would be if we had an honest press?

And for all of the criticism here of the south, it would appear that more than three in ten feel he's such a danger that impeachment is warranted, which is higher than you'd expect. The fact that it's even as high as 34% in the south, and 36% overall in the red states spells big trouble for Baby Jesus.

[Melodybe]

24. Yep, if shithead is doing that badly in the South then things are not

looking good for the GOP!

YAY!!

[movonne]

21. I will only be happy when 60% say impeach bush now !!!

[me b zola]

22. good to see these numbers!!!!

The way the media & spinsters are portraying it, they make it seem as though people are more interested in the aspect of no exit strategy. This poll says to me that people get the importance of the DSMs and are suspect of the entire administration & all in the Congress who support them. This is most definitely good news!!!:party:


I believe we need to find a way to get out the news, in a way similar to the DSM, the truth about the corporate contracts in Iraq. You think people are pissed now?, wait until they realize en mass that our sons & daughters are dying for this corporate corruption!

[HockeyMom]

25. Probably would be higher,

if Zogby polled people in Blue States. I am an Independent but in a Blue State. Before the election, I got Zogby polls sent to me about once every two weeks. Now, NOTHING.

What gives? BIASED.

[dissent1977]

41. In defense of Zogby...

While I generally don't like pollsters, Zogby is the one who has the most reliable methodology. The reason you don't keep getting polled by him over and over again does not show bias, it actually shows the opposite.

No good pollster would keep polling the same people over and over again. That is not a random sample, and if it is not a random sample well then the poll is more or less crap.

[caledesi]

OxyRush has always favored Zogby. He must be dropping pills now. ha ha n

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[TommyO]

39. Keep tilting, Wacker

Kerry, along with the rest of the House and Senate was lied to by this administration.

[johnaries]

51. Exactly! Furthermore, they only authorized Bush to invade if he let

the UN finish their inspections - which he didn't.

So, he not only lied to them, technically, he also acted without their authority.

[Wright Patman]

53. But Kerry's campaign stance last year

on Iraq was not to get us out of the quagmire, but to send more troops to "do it right."

That option would have necessitated a draft. * is sort of like a deer caught in the headlights. He knows he can't send any more troops, but he ain't never gonna take his grimy hands off all that oil.

He's like Winnie the Pooh with his head stuck in the beehive.

I'm sure there are more Disney characters I could invoke, but I'll stop at Winnie the Pooh and Bambi.

[PleadTheFirst]

59. ... the "liberation of Iraq?"

Nice neocon catch-phrase, 'Wacker. :puke:

[Stand and Fight]

73. What the hell does this have to do wtih the poll?

Didn't you get the memo (DSM)? Your boy, George W. Bush, LIED to the American people AND CONGRESS. You do understand the significance of that, don't you? That means your post has no weight. Now, get thee behind me, Satan.

[cally]

28. Just remember the DSM are not important news

:sarcasm: Let's see how the corporate media spins this. :rofl:

[deadparrot]

31. Eh, I doubt it'll get any press at all...

they'll bury it.

[Griffy]

87. WRONG.. look yesterdays WP FRONT PAGE.. DSM accurate too!

if you haven't see it you should.. and then look at Conyers and the town hall meetings he is planning! the DSM awareness campaign is just getting started! Its an uphill battle against propaganda, but the truth will win... and then we will all enjoy the impeachment!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/27/AR2005062701584.html

BE the media!

[DeepModem Mom]

29. Thank you, James Zogby, for ASKING THE QUESTION, USING THE WORD!

I'm afraid we'd never be able to get Shrub impeached, given the Repub majority, but just having this question asked, just getting the word out there, is, as Martha says, "a good thing."

[caledesi]

68. How about an International Tribunal to get this thug? nt

[Ian_rd]

33. The most disturbing part about this ..

The most disturbing part about that poll is the large majority of Republicans that think Bush should NOT be impeached even if it is shown that he lied (as if that hasn't been shown already).

These are probably the same people that think Clinton should have been impeached for getting a Lewinsky, eventhough that particular adulterous act did not, by most accounts, result in the deaths of over 100,000 innocent people, the maiming of countless more, the bankrupting of our economy, and a rennaissance for Islamic terrorism.

[DeaconBlues]

34. I would bet the house

that the number of people favoring impeachment of Bush is greater than the number of people supporting impeachment when Clinton was ACTUALLY impeached.

Too bad the people didn't show this wisdom back in November. As the Repubs owe every branch of government, impeachment is an impossibility.

edit for grammar

[berni_mccoy]

38. AWESOME!!!!

:kick: :popcorn:

[msrbly]

40. Is a poll really necessary?

I have two thoughts about this:

1) the fact that there is even a poll on this subject should be very worrisome to the president.

2) last time I checked, prosecutors don't take polls before they indict/charge criminals. I don't care if some people think he should be impeached and others disagree, this is a black and white issue. Bush broke the law and there are consequences for that. Just like Bush doesn't pay attention to polls, neither do prosecutors and neither should the legislative branch of government when it comes to impeachment.

[David Zephyr]

42. Everyone say "impeach". Get it into the language.

The dam is breaking. Impeachment is now actually being discussed.

Today's L.A. Times had a letter to the editor calling for Bush's "impeachment".

Say it. Help get it into the language.

[G_j]

44. YES! keep saying it

repeating it....

the hundredth monkey needs to hear it

[mvd]

43. Always enjoy the positive news.

Thanks!

[Ian_rd]

45. This poll and that poll ...

This poll and that poll should go out for dinner and drinks sometime:

Gallup: 50% of Americans Now Say Bush Deliberately Misled Them on WMDs

Half of all Americans, exactly 50%, now say the Bush administration deliberately misled Americans about whether Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, the Gallup Organization reported this morning.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000894970

[johnaries]

47. ONLY 42%? We need to work to get that number up!

This man told lies much bigger than the ones Clinton ever told, and over 1700 of our sons and daughters DIED because of it!

We've got to buikd some OUTRAGE in the masses so we can replace the Repuke Congress with a Dem Congress that will throw the murderers in JAIL!

[Dr Gonzo]

50. The most telling part of the article:

"Impeachment is overwhelmingly rejected in the Red States—just 36% say they agree Congress should use it...."

With Republicans, it's always party before country.

[pokercat999]

107. How's this for spin:

OVER A THIRD OF THE PEOPLE IN EVEN THE RED STATES SAY IMPEACH BUSH.

[Octafish]

52. Chimpeach!

[K8-EEE]

54. That Is Hilarous....But FRIGHTENING!!

I've always been struck by the resemblence between GWB & Alfred E.

Alfred E wouldn't have fucked everything up so horribly though.

[Octafish]

55. Absolutely. Alfred E. Newman is a giant compared to Smirko the Clown.

Sorry, K8-EEE! I shouldn't even be trying to associate the smirking moron with a national hero.

A more accurate pose:



"We must speak the truth about terror.
Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories
concerning the attacks of September the 11th;
malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from
the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty.
To inflame ethnic hatred is to advance the cause of terror.

[Disturbed]

57. "DSM has not had the desired effect."

Lying to the Congress by the Pres. about War is a High Crime. What the Bush Cult thinks matters not. What is needed are documents that prove inconclusively that High Crimes were commited. The Congress with a majority of RW cannot simply ignore actual proof. I still feel that the proof exists and that the CIA has it. I also still hope that some rank and file CIA Employee that knows that the rank and file got shit on will leak the documents.

[jurassicpork]

56. Did I read that right?

"IF it is found that (he) did not tell the truth"???? What's that banging sound I hear? Could it be the sound of foreheads repeatedly hitting desks at 10 Downing Street?

Well, before we do anything rash such as impeachment, I think that we should give the Preznit our support and input, since the poor man obviously needs all the help he can possibly get. Here's my idea for training the security forces and getting our kids out of Iraq more quickly.

http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com/2005/06/modest-proposal-for-modest-president.html

http://jurassicpork.blogspot.com
Defending bad taste and liberalism since January 2005.

[katty]

58. FINALLY the "I" word is used! Let's keep it FRONT & CENTER

[marmar]

61. Impeachment would actually be letting him off easy...

He ought to go before a war crimes tribunal.

[kster]

65. Wow, good news

could you imagine what the number would be if the media pounded bush 24 7 like they did Clinton.

Congratulations everyone you made this happen, with no help from the media lapdogs.

Keep pushing.

[GeekMonkey]

64. IF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Ya, and IF the sky is blue......

[lynch03]

66. That poll shows how fucking stupid people are

So if it was uncovered that Bush lied about Iraq for his own personal agenda which in turn resulted in millions of dollars lost , the needless deaths of 1000's of american and iraqi civillians ,the U.S.'s image being destroyed world wide, the U.S stuck in a hopeless quagmire, and they think that doesen't merit impeachment, yet probably twice as many think Clintons situation did??

[lancdem]

72. Clinton's impeachment was not favored by the public

The Repukes did it out of spite. Two-thirds were against it, which is why his approval ratings were in the high 60s during that whole fiasco.

[the old gringo]

67. The word is important...

I agree with all the posters here who indicate that just introducing the word into the mainstream vocabulary is a huge step forward. The cat is out of the bag! Meooww!

[lancdem]

69. I just saw this on www.rawstory.com

and couldn't believe it. First, I'm glad his approval rating is down to 43 percent; second, I'm thrilled Zogby even asked the impeachment question; and third, I'm ecstatic 42 percent would favor it. Keep in mind, this is only the beginning. Obviously, impeachment sentiment is not confined to "left-wing, fringy" DUers. (That last part is sarcasm, BTW :) )

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

71. i don't think it's the lying that upsets some people on the right.

it's the failure to have anything to show for it.

[catmandu57]

74. Wait until next spring

Right now it's 42%, but just wait until we've came through a cold ass winter, with people cold and hungry because fuel costs are driving them to make a choice between eating and staying warm. Gasoline will be at or well over three bucks a gallon, the bk bill will be in full effect. You can project casualties in Iraq to be at least another 730 dead, and many more thousands wounded.
Don't look for any domestic programs to aide the masses either, they are'nt going to be able to keep all the balls in the air, something has to give.
Impeach is a word that we'll be hearing more and more as things get worse.

[demo dutch]

79. Unfortunately it doesn't get that cold in the South! but more a

and more facts will come out and consider that the DSM(s) haven't even been widely covered by the MSM. This country is slow to respond to everything! But we have to keep it in the forefront!

[V Lee]

75. Impeach the SOB!

And impeach all the neocons he rode in on too.


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[Mist]

81. WOW--this is amazing for a number of reasons

Those are incredibly high numbers for impeachment, considering the corporate media do everything they can to shore up *'s miserable pResidency. The poll uses the qualifying word "just" in front of the 36% number of those in the South who favor impeachment. That's incredibly high for red states. While * probably won't be impeached, the word should be out there and repeated often. Impeachment doesn't mean resignation has to follow, after all, and even DUers probably don't want * to resign if it means a Cheney presidency (I know, I know, he's already acting Prez. anyway, but who the hell really wants him as the "formal" prez.?) Impeachment would mean a lot of light being shed where it's needed to be shed for 5 years now. And thanks, G_j, for using the "hundredth monkey" phrase--I use it sometimes and generally get confused looks!

[slor]

84. Why only 42%....

it should be alot higher than that!

[liberalpragmatist]

85. WOW - Seriously, I'm shocked

I've often found polls and "big questions" like impeachment tend to make people uncomfortable - even most liberals. Let's face it - most people don't like to rock the boat too much, so I would have figured the impeachment question would have only garnered something like 20% - after all, wasn't that how Nixon's numbers were when the question first emerged?

But 42% ?!! And the first major poll to ask?!!

I still HIGHLY doubt that Bush is going to be impeached, and it's highly doubtful he'd be removed from office - unless we can somehow win back the House by a comfortable margin (something that's numerically impossible) and win 2/3 of the Senate.

But oh, how I think he deserves it.

[Clark2008]

86. Whoops

Read the poll wrong. Nevermind.

[Rainscents]

91. This numbers will get bigger as Iraq situations gets worst...

[leftofthedial]

92. so in other words 42% say impeach

we KNOW he lied

[whistle]

93. Who will start......

[Independent_Liberal]

94. The impeachment of George W. Bush has already begun!

You wait and see! This whole Bush Neocon Cabal government will flip up faster than a couple of pancakes coming off the griddle!

:D

[yurbud]

95. Posted with this note on Coulter board:

http://news.messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action=m&board=37447170&tid=ucacthoushaltnotcommitreligion&sid=37447170&mid=35

Don't they know that you only impeach a president when he lies about his sex life, not about a war that kills 1700 US soldiers and 100,000 Iraqis?

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007

Hillbilly Hitler art:



Blog:

[Amsterdam Hooligan]

97. LIBERALS NEED HELP...........

I am so sorry to be rude and invade everyone`s fun. But I`m a liberal and I visit a Sports Website(http://www.tarheelsunited.com)..
The website has a "Political Board" we are getting trashed with stuff like this....

...dems defended this?

http://etherzone.com/body.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.htm l

http://www.warroom.com/clinton.htm

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=145 83

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/3/24/185342

We have debated the neo-cons and kicked their ass soundly, but this stuff is what they are starting to post please come over to the web-site and visit......Help us out please.... Thank you and once again I`m sorry for invading everyone`s privacy......Amsterdam Hooligan

[yurbud]

100. a sports board? Here's a thought--link to better sources

if people want to really find out what's going on, actual information will look different than those steaming piles of shit the right's PR engine puts out.

Hillbilly Hitler art:



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[cascadiance]

101. Bush Body Count site here...

http://www.bushbodycount.com/index.php

But it doesn't look like it's adequately maintained. About a year ago I noted that they had a big omission in leaving out Margie Shoedinger (the woman who has charged that Bush raped her, and later was found dead with a gunshot wound to the head). It still isn't there. Yup, we need more people to take the battle to Bush's crimes!

[90-percent]

96. 42%

I think these are gleefully great numbers!

I vividly remember the atmosphere in this country during the Iraq War ramp up. ANYBODY that questioned Der Bushmeister back them had their patriotism questioned and insulted. Bush could do and say what ever he fucking wanted with impunity, truth be damned.

It's all coming back pretty quickly for him and his PNAC asshole buddies if he's so close to having OVER HALF OF AMERICA calling for impeachment if it's proven he lied about Iraq.

This proves to me that our country is wising up RAPIDLY to the fact we've been chumped by a War mongering sociopathic liar.

If there is any justice left on this planet this pinhead prez will be impeached well before he serves out his second term. Impeachment is something we should fight for and any self described patriot should demand unconditionally.

-85%

PS - when Cheney becomes Prez, who will his VP be?

[njdemocrat106]

114. Probably Bolton

I also think if Cheney kicks the bucket anytime soon, Bolton will become Bush's new VP.

[jmcon007]

99. This is disgraceful. How could anyone not want him impeached

if they knew that he lied about going to war, when you think of the thousands and thousands of lives lost unnecessarily?
It's disgraceful.

[cascadiance]

102. They won't say it publicly in so many words...

but basically they've been conditioned by the likes of Limbaugh to hate liberals more than they hate fascists! Impeach a fascist to give the liberals more power! Perish the thought in their addled brains! That's basically it!

[DanCa]

103. Only 42%

I think either zogby's shaving numbers again or that people are so brain washed at this point it doesnt matter the damage that the chimp does as long as he's a good conservative and attends mass.

[ignatius 2]

104. How far up their asses are the heads of those 60% southernors? What

in the hell is wrong with them. They pretend to be all patriotic and Christian,yet watch the values and freedoms of our country being destroyed. watch a lying sack of shit president who attacked people who did nothing to us and watch as thousands upon thousands are killed and watch as our country uses torture on other human beings. I honestly do not understand their thinking process whatsoever. They are obviously neither patriotic or Christian so what is the motivation behind backing these corrupt mofos?

Is it all about macho,kick us some ass bull shit making them feel like men or what? How can people like this be reasoned with? How do you reason with the insane?

[AverageJoe]

117. I was born in Kentucky and am a southerner to my bones

I have lived in Mississippi and Tennessee and currently live in Alabama. I have no answer to your question. The people you speak of are simply batshit crazy. Or dumb. Or evil. Or some combination of these things. Drives me crazy....

[autorank]

108. Tactical, You're the Person! What a coup, so to speak.

Well, now, without any doubt, we have the exact information concerning the suppression of DSM. This is it! They know it's impeachable (see John Dean's book "Worse than Watergate") and they can't stand the rocky ride of 2006 with this as a, hmmm...talking point!

Greatfind, what's that tick, tock sound I hear? :rofl:

[BuyingThyme]

109. The more he lies the less people like him?

This poll wasn't taken in the United States, was it?

[Coexist]

111. Video Up!!

http://www.crooksandliars.com/

great piece.

[BuyingThyme]

112. An up-for-grabs assignment:

Figure out what the impeachment breakdown is (for and against) using the electoral college as the determinant (as opposed to using a arbitrary, subjective, country-wide sample).

Note: Do not take the Supreme Court into consideration.

[FizzFuzz]

113. so those who are NOT in favor of impeachment, if its found he lied....

what do THEY think is a proper punishment? 8 more years and a jacuzzi? :crazy:

ah the heck with those idiots, I'm glad to know so many people favor it.

[ms liberty]

115. This is an excellent beginning...

and please note I said BEGINNING. A lot of people in this country actually don't know many or any of the details about the DSM's. A lot of those don't know anything but the RW spin. For a first poll, this is good news.
I saw that Olbermann was going to cover this story, so I'm going to watch him on the midnight rerun to see what he says.
One of the important things this poll does is to signal to the media that the low approval poll ratings, the continuing scandals, and the decreasing support among his own party is making him vulnerable. And we all know how the media is. They smell chum in the water, and if it's from someone emptying their bait buckets - meaning easy food - they're on it. As soon as they can home in the feeding frenzy will get started. Right now they're circling, just out of range, but their senses tell them somebody's thrown over a few scraps. What I'm trying to say in my convoluted metaphor is we need to keep up the pressure.
I live in the rural south. Our local paper is a weekly, and comes out on Wednesday afternoon. I've noticed for the last month or so, there have been ZERO RW letters to the editor printed. That means there haven't been any sent in, because the paper is favorable to the RW. What makes this interesting, and telling is there HAVE been letters from democrats for the last 3 weeks, and those letters have been pointed in their criticism of the shrub and the repukes. During the election cycle and up until the last 4-6 weeks if a dem got a letter printed, they had 2 in response. This is really significant for my little county.

[liberal N proud]

118. Let's go get him, I mean them!

More than bu$h needs to go down. We need to show evidence that indicts the whole regime.

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[deacon]

121. Now if only MSM would address that the DSM's were authenticated by

blair yesterday. But no, there is a missing blond in aruba...

[Sasha Undercover]

123. Am I the only one

who is scared shitless of President and First Lady Cheney?

[BamaLefty]

126. Yes, you are

There isn't a snowball in hells chance of that happening. Even with Diebold..

[nightwing118]

125. bush and cheney will make it to 2009

that's awesome that zogby did this poll, but i have not seen the poll covered on any of the news networks once again reminding me that bush and cheney will make it to the end of their term.

the idea that there is a good percentage of people out there who realize that our leaders may have misled us and the Congress into war is nice to hear. but the no matter what the percentage of people are in favor or against impeachment is irrelevant. the impeachment should happen if it is proven the information to go to war was fixed.

the fact that the republicans, who brought charges against the last president because he lied, won’t bring up charges for the sitting president (and VP too) show some hypocrisy within the republican party (as if that were not already evident in other ways).

but i get the feeling we are the only ones talking about it and everyone else is dismissing the DSM and the idea that our leaders lied to us. the news media is more concerned with missing people and discussing endlessly the verdict in the Michael Jackson case. when so called journalists aren’t bringing something like this to the attention of the American public it makes me question everything about what our government is doing. why is the news media so afraid?

lives were lost in a war that hasn’t turned out as our leaders intended just because they wanted to remove saddam. if fixing information to go to war isn’t an impeachable offense, i have no idea what to tell my government class when we discuss impeaching presidents later this week. “o yeah we can impeach a president because he lied under oath, not going to war and using American lives for a war that wasn’t connected to September 11.