Withdrawing troops would be a catastrophe !!!!!!

[wookie294]

As Bush said, "To abandon this small and brave nation to its enemies, and to the terror that must follow, would be an unforgivable wrong .... To withdraw from one battlefield means only to prepare for the next."

Actually, it was President Lyndon Johnson who said those words back in the 1960s. At that moment, only 400 American troops had died in the rice paddies.

Reagan’s war advisor said this: “We've pulled out of several places without achieving our objectives, and every time we predicted the end of Western civilization, which it was not. We left Korea after not achieving anything we wanted to do, and it didn't hurt us very much. We left Vietnam -- took us ten years to come around to doing it -- but we didn't achieve what we wanted. Everyone said it would set back our foreign policy in East Asia for ten years. It set it back about two months. Our allies thought we were crazy to be in Vietnam.” – Admiral William Crowe, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the 1980s.

BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!!!!

[slor]

1. Good post. n/t

[bpilgrim]

10. What's OUR Mission again? ---------- ---------- > IMAGE

http://media.globalfreepress.com

peace

[Robbien]

2. Our occupation is not the solution, it is the problem

The "insurgents" are using our presence as the reason for their violence. Take away the reason and the violence has no basis for existence.

[me b zola]

5. Yes. As is the occupation of foreign contractors

Give Iraq to the Iraqis!

[KerryOn]

8. Dead On! n/t

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

12. Because something has no basis for existence doesn't mean it won't exist

exhibit a: I give you are bold leader.

[Robbien]

16. But conversely, if the basis exists so will the violence

By removing the basis for the hatred (our occupation), other options open. Keeping up our occupation means violence.

Iraqis deserve to explore the options available to them once the occupation ceases to exist.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

17. BIG "if."

This is a question I've stated another way over here. And I represent your position (perhaps my position) as well:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3991561

[Robbien]

19. Sorry, I misclicked and my response to your post is two down

at post #18.

[IChing]

3. To abandon Viet Nam would be wrong' — LBJ-1965-Speech

I posted the speech this morning.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1897416

[Robbien]

18. If BushCo would be able to change and adapt

then yes I could support your post and support staying and trying to fix what we broke.

But that If is not going to happen. BushCo plans on staying, occupying and pillaging (currently called privatization). So that 'If' is a no.

With the current BushCo there are only two options, stay and do as we are currently doing or leave. Iraqis will be better off if we take the leave option since they have more say in what may happen to their country. If we stay, we stay the BushCo course.

[understandinglife]

4. As long as we allow Bush & the neoconsters to nurture perpetual war ..

... they will continue to use the blood of Americans to do just that.

As opposed to Vietnam, Bu$h is not merely into enriching the military industrialists, he really intends a Pax Americana.

The dude wants to be King of the World and he is more than willing to enrage the entire Muslim population of the planet, and subjugate the entire American population to ensure he has an evil enemy and a compliant source of grunts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3982913


http://www.newsparkproductions.org


Peace.

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists their cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."

[Karenina]

6. Bingo!

n/t required.

[FtWayneBlue]

7. Yep, bring 'em home now!

[oxbow]

9. Every time the MSM spouts talking points on why we must stay in Iraq

I will send them these words. In fact, we all should. THANK YOU and bookmarked

[B Calm]

11. Withdrawing troops would send a message that we plan

to move out of Iraq and that we have no intentions of occupying their country. This in turn would send a message to the insurgents and their attacks on our soldiers would be far less.

[Redstone]

13. Good post. Good research.

I am SO sick and tired of hearing otherwise intelligent people (liberals, even) who continue to parrot the line "we have to stay there until we finish the job."

What fucking job? Filling another monument with 53,000 names?

Redstone

[Jose Diablo]

14. In the end, we will pack our bags and just leave

might as well be sooner than later. The Iraqi people can and will solve their own problems, their way. They have been there for thousands and thousands of years, and we in the west have the nerve to say we know whats best for them?

If it means civil war in Iraq, then thats what it will be, we cannot stop it, they can though.

Once we internalize the idea that we are not there to help them, but invading their country then it becomes much easier to see what we must do.

I know Bu$h said we are there to bring 'freedom', but freedom for who? The corporate profiteers?

Support our troops, bring them home.

[lastknowngood]

15. What the hell do you call what is going on now?

n/t

[Senior citizen]

20. A catastrophe.

I agree that we should bring our troops home.

Many Americans agree that we should bring our troops home.

The problem is how do we convince the Democratic leadership that if they do not take a strong position on this quickly, the rethugs, who are also watching their poll numbers sink, will beat them to it and take all the credit?