Without Howard Dean's EARLY Candidacy followed by Kucinich....we Dems

[KoKo]

Would be in DEEP DOO DOO! If we had waited for the "Whore Media" the decrepit print press and the sleeping Sheeple........we would have maybe two or three very mild and meek candidates running for Dem President of the USA today.

We need to sit back and think about WHO were our CHAMPIONS! Who were the ones who got PRIVATE/GRASSROOT FUNDING and ATTACKED BUSH when our waffley, weasley Dem Leaders were sitting in the backrooms dolling out the favors they would get by being "Operatives to the BIG MONEY DEMS!.....while the Weasely DLC and by compliance DNC were putting out messages "Oh.....Trust Us...We have a Plan...Get Over Selection 2000...we must get this beyond us" ......Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich were putting their Necks out there waiting for "HATCHET MAN" ASSCROFT to GO AFTER THEM.....and make them "chicken dinners from the Deli Counter!"

Now.....we are supposed to JUMP ON the MILITARY CLARK BANDWAGON.......when the US Military is in TATTERS under BUSH/CHENEY/ASSCROT....PNAC's DIRECTION?

And they say that Democrats are WEAK ON DEFENSE! Most WARS the US has been invloved with have been under Dems in modern times in my memory. Woodrow Wilson (WWI), FDR (WWII, necessity),Truman, (Korea), Kennedy/Johnson (Viet Nam) and NOW we have Repugs calling us DEMS WEAK ON DEFENSE???

The Old Expression used to be: Democrats get us into Wars....and the Repuplicans Get Us Out!

So when those RW Fundies come after us......why do we "tuck tail" and run as if we are "weak on defense!"

[neuvocat]

1. Dean has done a lot already

by making sure that the opposition continues to move in a more progressive direction.

However it stands to reason that most of the candidates would have a lot to contribute from now until election day. The field had barely started forming when Bush started going into panic mode.

He's done for.

[NashVegas]

2. Absolutely

Even if Dean doesn't take the nomination, we need him in this race as long as possible. Same for Kucinich.

[Atlant]

3. Thank you! (NT)

[leftwingnut]

4. Couldn't have said it better myself

thank you.

[Bertrand]

5. Nope

You insinuate that Clark is "PNAC" - you fail to differentiate between an organziation to promote neoconservativism and neoconservativism itself - which he clearly isnt by anyone that has viewed his record on the issue of multilateralism and his criticism of the Bush push to war since the idea was permeated by the media a year and a half ago.

As for the weak on defence argument, it's not based on reality but the modern perception of it. With 9/11, this issue needs to be addressed even more and many feel that Clark helps to do that.

[KoKo]

7. No....Clark is not PNAC.....No.....and NeoCons are really the Cold War....

Philosophy that ruled much of my growing up.....I was digging deeper than Clark with this post...It wasn't trying to trash him....sorry you thought that....

[Cha]

8. The repukes let 9/11 Happen whether by design or they were Asleep

at the Freakin' wheel! Ya don't get much Weaker on Defense than that! And that needs to be Hammered home!@ I bet a few of the Families and Loved ones of 9/11 would agree on that.

[Cappurr]

6. I agree with everything you say about Dean and Kucinich...

But you lose me completely when you start trashing Clark.

And if you want to be accurate, Clark was speaking out against the war before it started. Repeatedly. Daily. On CNN.

And Clark has nothing to do with the tatters created in the military by the Bushies. He was out of the military before Clinton even left office.

I give a lot of respect to Dean and Kucinich. Particularly Dean who has been a hell of a fighter. But you should try to give a little respect to Clark, who, if you read anything about him (like his book or Sidney Blumenthal's book) you'd realize there is a lot to respect about Clark, too.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. I'm Really Tired And Am Going To Bed

so I hope another DUer picks up the ball...

Wes Clark has been very forceful in his rejection of the PNAC model....

[KoKo]

10. It's NOT a Trash Clark Post..it's a "Perspective Post!" At least it's what

I thought......Perspective....about Dems....and who came out first.......if your guy was last..it's YOUR PROBLEM.......not mine or we who are PROUD OF DEAN KUCINICH!

[JohnKleeb]

11. so you mean to say that Kucinich does have a chance

I sure as hell think he does, now if elections were to be held today I dont know if he would win frankly I dont know if anyone would but I know I am supporting the right candiate and I aint gonna give up just because of the polls NOW I could care less honestly. Plus win or lose Kucinich will have always been my pick and I will thank him via email for inspiring me.

[KoKo]

12. I just gave him a donation....I hope he can hang in...I want him to.....

As long as he has some $$$'s he can get his message accross.....we should keep supporting him...I'm Dean/Kucinich......I like both. gave $$$'s to both....